Picard 1x09 - "Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1" [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]

Evade

pixelburp wrote: »

Nothing exists in canon, until it does. Spock emoted, until he didn't. There were never emotive capable androids until there were (let's ignore Harry Mudd). Klingons looked in such a way, until they didn't. There were never any Borg, until there were. Never any Ferenghi, until there were (and were changed from hostile aggressors to scheming financiers at that). And so on.

You can't have the Singularity, with caveats, just to preserve canon that's barely concrete at the best of times.

That just excuses lazy deus ex machinas. And I don's see any reason why androids undergoing the singularity can't mind meld, or use any telepathy, in the same way most races can't.

Deleted User wrote: »

The main thing is why do you think that androids can only copy Human senses and not those of other races?

Mostly because those sense have already been emulated by technology in Star Trek. I'd be more accepting of it if they had already emulated the process with other technology. Some Romulan interrogation technology comes close but the equipment was bulky and it wasn't nearly as effective.

This isn't specifically a mind meld issue it's more the power creep of the androids now, if they could shroud all of a sudden it would be just as jarring. As it stands now they're essentially perfect. If they declared themselves the Ubermensch in episode 10 it would be hard to argue with them.

pixelburp

Going to agree to disagree at this point. Doesn't feel like the huge canonical grenade you think it is Evade, but we've thrashed it out enough at this stage.

Bobtheman

I haven't seen this yet but I don't care about spoilers. I knew Brent would make a fuller appearance. So lay it on me - how is he ' back '?

Evade

Soong's never mentioned before biological son.

Bobtheman

Yeah a bit of a soap thing- dragging up a long lost son.
And what harm ? Canon is not from God.

corkie

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AllForIt

To me mind melding was a natural *ability of the Vulcan species in the same way birds can fly but humans can't fly or train themselves to fly. We can figure out a way to fly but is never the same as a bird flying i.e without mechanical assistance.

Thus a synth may be able to figure out a way to read one's though's in some workaround way to achieve the same effect but not done in the same way as an original Vulcan. Then again if they are biological then maybe they have that Vulcan 'gene' that enables them to mild meld in the exact same way a Vulcan does but you'd think it would have to be designed in from the beginning rather than something that can be 'learned' later on.




*like that thing Spock used to do to knock ppl unconscious with fingers on back of neck.

AMKC

The Megaphone wrote: »

Next it will be okay to warp ships into Borg cubes as a last resort!

If they wanted to go down the android mind meld route, the least they could have done is create an android modeled on a Vulcan - it would have helped IMO!

Next it will be okay to warp ships into Borg cubes as a last resort!

Sure it nearly happened in First Contact just not at warp speed.

Just make sure the ship,is unmanned or with only the bare minimum and sure be grand.

I would say even a Galaxy class ship warping into a Cube would not fully destroy it anyway unless its shields were down which is highly unlikely.

The Megaphone

AMKC wrote: »

Sure it nearly happened in First Contact just not at warp speed.

Worf was going with ramming speed that time!

But the point I was making is that there are established rules in the Star Trek Universe (if only i had a euro for every time a starship dropped to impulse due to their warp field collapsing); and the android mind meld doesn't sit well for me, although it's no where near as bad as Discovery's Spore Drive!!

Stark

AMKC wrote: »

Next it will be okay to warp ships into Borg cubes as a last resort!

Sure it nearly happened in First Contact just not at warp speed.

Just make sure the ship,is unmanned or with only the bare minimum and sure be grand.

Also in Best of both worlds where Riker ordered it as a last resort measure just before Data managed to implant the sleep order.

AMKC

The Megaphone wrote: »

Worf was going with ramming speed that time!

But the point I was making is that there are established rules in the Star Trek Universe (if only i had a euro for every time a starship dropped to impulse due to their warp field collapsing); and the android mind meld doesn't sit well for me, although it's no where near as bad as Discovery's Spore Drive!!

The spore drive I agree there was no need for and I hate it. I especially hated how the ship spins every time it done it just stupid. The mind meld in this do I am ok with.

pah

AllForIt wrote: »

*like that thing Spock used to do to knock ppl unconscious with fingers on back of neck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yxgLMHjGoE

T'pol also complimented Archer on his technique during Enterprise although Archer had been carrying Suraks Katra at the time.

Nesta99

Without reading back the thread - anyone else think that cut scene to a Romulan Warbird looked almost exactly like a BSG Cylon raider, minus the red eyes?

Slydice

I did think the Romulan Warbirds looked awful small but I felt it made sense for a Empire that had gone through a massive decline.

Now that you mention it, yeah kinda something similar to that facemask look that the new BSG Cylon Raiders had. The wings a fair bit different.

AMKC

Nesta99 wrote: »

Without reading back the thread - anyone else think that cut scene to a Romulan Warbird looked almost exactly like a BSG Cylon raider, minus the red eyes?

Yes I did think that alright.

Rawr

AMKC wrote: »

Next it will be okay to warp ships into Borg cubes as a last resort!

Sure it nearly happened in First Contact just not at warp speed.

Just make sure the ship,is unmanned or with only the bare minimum and sure be grand.

I would say even a Galaxy class ship warping into a Cube would not fully destroy it anyway unless its shields were down which is highly unlikely.

A Galaxy Class going full warp core breech while slamming into a Cube would make for a huge antimatter explosion. True, that alone probably wouldn't kill a Cube, but would take a very large chunk out of it. Possibly disable it enough for a regular fleet of Starfleet vessels to finish the job.