COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

schmoo2k

Approved User Assesment wrote: »

Grand I'll check back in during early 2023 to see how things are progressing, and another 2yrs for each subsequent variant or mutated release.

One area that hasn't been tested in any way is that of effects on e.g.Fertility. Anyone thinking of starting a family is advised not to take these vaccines. Also there were zero pregnant ladies studies in any of these trials.

Equally Sperm counts may also be worth measuring out of interest for any chaps taking dual stage or multi-variant releases or manufactured types after these 2yrs.

Just a thought.

1. I don't believe the fertility advisory is real, do you have a link?
2. The pregnant ladies trial is going to start shortly and it is clearly documented that if your pregnant you should not get the vaccine until such a time it has been tested (assuming the testing is positive).

conor_mc

Henryq. wrote: »

Was UK approval politically driven

Thought they were independent

First out the door... at best it was politically convenient given the Brexit car crash as a backdrop. To be fair, that’s just my opinion.

ACitizenErased

I’d be very surprised if the EMA didn’t issue approval before Christmas. Gotta get moving.

hmmm

Are we ready to start vaccinating people immediately? I'm hearing a lot of news about plans being delivered and what we "could" do - have any of these plans been signed off? The EMA have informed us what the latest date they will sign off is, but not the earliest.

We were told previously by some commentators that these plans could not be finalised because they were waiting to see the profile of the vaccines. The news reports I'm reading today is debating who could administer the shots, talks about involving retired people, talking about setting up vaccination hubs etc. None of these things could not have been decided a month ago.

I hope the Government & HSE appreciate that there will be uproar if we are not in a position to start deploying vaccines at the same speed as other countries.

stephenjmcd

hmmm wrote: »

Are we ready to start vaccinating people immediately? I'm hearing a lot of news about plans being delivered and what we "could" do - have any of these plans been signed off? The EMA have informed us what the latest date they will sign off is, but not the earliest.

We were told previously by some commentators that these plans could not be finalised because they were waiting to see the profile of the vaccines. The news reports I'm reading today is debating who could administer the shots, talks about involving retired people, talking about setting up vaccination hubs etc. None of these things could not have been decided a month ago.

I hope the Government & HSE appreciate that there will be uproar if we are not in a position to start deploying vaccines at the same speed as other countries.

From what I've read today they've said the plans are finalised, they got sent to gov last night and will be approved at tuesdays cabinet meeting

Van.Bosch

stephenjmcd wrote: »

From what I've read today they've said the plans are finalised, they got sent to gov last night and will be approved at tuesdays cabinet meeting

Are there any vaccines in Ireland or can they not be shipped until EMA approves?

Marhay70

Just another example of the high standards to be expected from the HSE.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40189284.html

Hmmzis

Marhay70 wrote: »

Just another example of the high standards to be expected from the HSE.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40189284.html

To be fair, the initial fear was that we could run out of them. Turned out in a lot of cases putting people on vents made matters worse, high flow O2 and CPAP yielded better results.

Henryq.

hmmm wrote: »

Are we ready to start vaccinating people immediately? I'm hearing a lot of news about plans being delivered and what we "could" do - have any of these plans been signed off? The EMA have informed us what the latest date they will sign off is, but not the earliest.

We were told previously by some commentators that these plans could not be finalised because they were waiting to see the profile of the vaccines. The news reports I'm reading today is debating who could administer the shots, talks about involving retired people, talking about setting up vaccination hubs etc. None of these things could not have been decided a month ago.

I hope the Government & HSE appreciate that there will be uproar if we are not in a position to start deploying vaccines at the same speed as other countries.

Seems to be a constant stream of vaccine soundbytes from the government

It's like someone in government decided it's best to say something new everyday about the vaccine

Marhay70

Hmmzis wrote: »

To be fair, the initial fear was that we could run out of them. Turned out in a lot of cases putting people on vents made matters worse, high flow O2 and CPAP yielded better results.

All very true but could we not ensure we at least buying something that works, who signs off on these purchases, the kitchen porter? Chances are that some other patients in the future will need ventilators for illnesses not Covid related.

Henryq.

MM stint as minister for health wouldn't inspire confidence in this

Guy was a world class ditherer

smurfjed

scooby77 wrote: »

As vaccines roll out in some countries here's a real life query:
A close family member ( mid 30s, perfect health, no allergies, hasn't had covid she knows of, has had few pcrs for different reasons) is cabin crew ( not economy) with Emirates. She's due back flying shortly after period voluntary unpaid leave.
Sinopharm is now available free to all residents of Dubai- she qualifies. She has never been concerned about Covid, but as returning to work approaches, it has crossed her mind. She asked my advice re getting vaccine.
I'm pro vaccine, and think Chinese vaccine probably as safe as any(point 1). My main concern is that down the road Emirates might insist on staff taking a vaccine they provide...which could be different one...no testing done on interaction between different vaccines...but some say medically not advised, could possibly have serious consequences.(point 2) Though emirates have given no indication of a vaccine policy yet.
All opinions on either point welcome! Thanks in advance!

To answer your question, she shouldn’t take any vaccine until she has guidance from the EK Medical Department, she is presently risking her cabin crew medical if she does.

So glad that she doesn’t work in “economy”.

smurfjed

Hmmzis wrote: »

If she wants to take the vaccine she should take it. It'll be a long time before private companies get their hands on doses.

This is Bad information for airline crew, this is an unapproved medicine, we need to see it get approved by aviation authorities first.

smurfjed

“WHO” has announced that it will take them a couple of weeks to review the Pfizer vaccine, just as well the world isnt in a pandemic.

Stheno

Indo reporting it may be March before the over 70s at home are vaccinated:eek:

ACitizenErased

Stheno wrote: »

Indo reporting it may be March before the over 70s at home are vaccinated:eek:

I've no doubt we'll have the slowest vaccination strategy.

Russman

Stheno wrote: »

Indo reporting it may be March before the over 70s at home are vaccinated:eek:

I don’t doubt it.
I hope I’m wrong but I suspect we’ll bring a very conservative, “slow and steady” approach to dishing it out.

Stheno

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I've no doubt we'll have the slowest vaccination strategy.

That would be the first five groups wouldn't it?
Over 70s at home are group 5?

Marhay70

Stheno wrote: »

Indo reporting it may be March before the over 70s at home are vaccinated:eek:

2021?

Hmmzis

smurfjed wrote: »

This is Bad information for airline crew, this is an unapproved medicine, we need to see it get approved by aviation authorities first.

Thanks for the correction, wasn't aware they had different requirements. Would it have to be the arline's home countries aviation authority or an international body? The vaccine itself is fully licensed in UAE for general distribution.

hmmm

Stheno wrote: »

Indo reporting it may be March before the over 70s at home are vaccinated:eek:

Is that the date as to when they will be protected (i.e. a week or so after the second dose), or is that when they will be getting their first injection?

If we're reliant on just Pfizer & Moderna, we won't have huge amounts available for the first few months.

Stheno

hmmm wrote: »

Is that the date as to when they will be protected (i.e. a week or so after the second dose), or is that when they will be getting their first injection?

If we're reliant on just Pfizer & Moderna, we won't have huge amounts available for the first few months.

Think its the first dose but its not clear

Stheno

Stheno wrote: »

Indo reporting it may be March before the over 70s at home are vaccinated:eek:

Reading the article though. I could be wrong but that seems to be based on the assumption that only the Pfizer vaccine is available between now and then. If/when we know more about when other vaccines are available that timeline could be brought forward.

ShineOn7

Stheno wrote: »

Indo reporting it may be March before the over 70s at home are vaccinated:eek:

I've next to zero faith that the HSE don't make a complete and utter fcuking balls of this

People thinking anything less must be brand new to the country

jackboy

Stheno wrote: »

Indo reporting it may be March before the over 70s at home are vaccinated:eek:

I don’t know why this is a surprise. We have been told for weeks now that it will be at least the second half of next year before enough are vaccinated to have an impact on mask wearing and social distancing. The first half of next year is still a write off, people just need to accept that.

scooby77

smurfjed wrote: »

To answer your question, she shouldn’t take any vaccine until she has guidance from the EK Medical Department, she is presently risking her cabin crew medical if she does.

So glad that she doesn’t work in “economy”.

Very good point, will pass on. Though it's approved by UAE government. My "economy" reference was to highlight that she has interaction with less passengers than someone working there. (I quite like, and often use or used, economy on EK...though at this stage I'd be happy with the cargo hold!!!)

Irish Stones

I don't know if it's been discussed before in the thread.

What I know is that one should not take any vaccine if they aren't in good physical condition. I mean, a common cold, an upset tummy, or an allergy to something, should be an element of waiting or skipping a vaccine.
Usually doctors ask you if you are currently in a good health before giving you any vaccine.

How will long Covid patients be considered in this view? Should they skip the vaccine?
As far as I know, doctors hardly know what long Covid is, and unless a patient tell them what they feel, doctors can't even tell the symptoms.

smurfjed

Hmmzis wrote: »

Thanks for the correction, wasn't aware they had different requirements. Would it have to be the arline's home countries aviation authority or an international body? The vaccine itself is fully licensed in UAE for general distribution.

This is where it gets interesting, I hold licences from 3 countries and associated Medical’s, so let’s say country 1 approves the Chinese or Russian vaccines but these aren’t submitted for approval in the USA or Europe, then I might have issues with renewing those two medical certificates.

We truthfully don’t know how this is going to work. The FAA in the USA has stated that they expect to approve Pfizer within 5 days of the FDA approval, but we don’t know if this will come with any limitations.

Luckily, I’m expecting to get the Pfizer vaccine, but I’m not in the UAE.

hmmm

It's interesting that Gottlieb, who is on the Pfizer board, seems to be advocating that the US use all its initial supply to vaccinate as many people as possible with a first dose. There's a debate (everywhere I imagine) about whether you use just half of your initial supply, and hold the other half back for the second dose. Particularly in the US which has a raging epidemic, the right choice here could save thousands of lives.

https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1337824891450568711

Henryq.

hmmm wrote: »

It's interesting that Gottlieb, who is on the Pfizer board, seems to be advocating that the US use all its initial supply to vaccinate as many people as possible with a first dose. There's a debate (everywhere I imagine) about whether you use just half of your initial supply, and hold the other half back for the second dose. Particularly in the US which has a raging epidemic, the right choice here could save thousands of lives.

https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1337824891450568711

Sticking to science catchphrase lol

Politicians love that one