COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

CIARAN_BOYLE

Gael23 wrote: »

280k won’t make much difference

Well it will take time to huild scale. 280k is a huge amount for the nursing home sector for example. We have what 31,000 nursing home residents in Ireland? Assuming the efficacy is good for those it will mean that that high risk cohort are safe.

Let's say the rest are used on health care workers. We'll we saw articles on the amount of staff out of work with covid. We can say protecting the health care service is done.

polesheep wrote: »

But if your parents have been vaccinated where's the issue? These vaccines are a huge step out of this mess even if they don't do everything we would like them to do.

They both have immune issues so may not be able to take a vaccine or it may have reduced efficacy. We don't have a lot of data on the vaccines and I'd be happy if there was more.

I'd like to know if my parents can take it and if it would have the same efficacy for them as everyone else.
If they can't take it or it has a lower efficacy for them than the general community I'd like to know which vaccines are likely to make it so I don't give it to them.

Therefore I am happy that one of the vaccine companies are testing the effect on transmission.

polesheep

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Well it will take time to huild scale. 280k is a huge amount for the nursing home sector for example. We have what 31,000 nursing home residents in Ireland? Assuming the efficacy is good for those it will mean that that high risk cohort are safe.


They both have immune issues so may not be able to take a vaccine or it may have reduced efficacy. We don't have a lot of data on the vaccines and I'd be happy if there was more.

I'd like to know if my parents can take it and if it would have the same efficacy for them as everyone else.
If they can't take it or it has a lower efficacy for them than the general community I'd like to know which vaccines are likely to make it so I don't give it to them.

Therefore I am happy that one of the vaccine companies are testing the effect on transmission.

Fair enough, that's perfectly understandable. In general, however, even if the vaccine only provides immunity for the vaccinated it is still a huge step out of this mess.

ceegee

Gael23 wrote: »

280k won’t make much difference

280k will pretty much cover all nursing home residents and staff, plus hospital staff.
Thats a massive chunk of the highest risk groups sorted.

funnydoggy

I know people can be wrong and it's nothing to be ashamed of, but those people at the start of this thread who were *adamant* and argumentative about a vaccine not coming must be fuming :pac:

manniot2

ceegee wrote: »

280k will pretty much cover all nursing home residents and staff, plus hospital staff.
Thats a massive chunk of the highest risk groups sorted.

Job done, open the bloody boozers

lbj666

Gael23 wrote: »

280k won’t make much difference

The health service?

lbj666

funnydoggy wrote: »

I know people can be wrong and it's nothing to be ashamed of, but those people at the start of this thread who were *adamant* and argumentative about a vaccine not coming must be fuming :pac:

They dont dwell on it too much, just move onto the next thing to be fatalistic about

CIARAN_BOYLE

polesheep wrote: »

Fair enough, that's perfectly understandable. In general, however, even if the vaccine only provides immunity for the vaccinated it is still a huge step out of this mess.

Yeah of course it's a huge step.

I'm delighted by the vaccine news. I'm just also delighted that one of the other groups us testing to see the effect on transmission.

Stheno

ceegee wrote: »

280k will pretty much cover all nursing home residents and staff, plus hospital staff.
Thats a massive chunk of the highest risk groups sorted.

That's probably close to 50% of our current cases eliminated

Its fantastic news, the scientists and teams who have achieved this should be recognised in some way

Sconsey

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Well it will take time to huild scale. 280k is a huge amount for the nursing home sector for example. We have what 31,000 nursing home residents in Ireland? Assuming the efficacy is good for those it will mean that that high risk cohort are safe.

Let's say the rest are used on health care workers. We'll we saw articles on the amount of staff out of work with covid. We can say protecting the health care service is done.


They both have immune issues so may not be able to take a vaccine or it may have reduced efficacy. We don't have a lot of data on the vaccines and I'd be happy if there was more.

I'd like to know if my parents can take it and if it would have the same efficacy for them as everyone else.
If they can't take it or it has a lower efficacy for them than the general community I'd like to know which vaccines are likely to make it so I don't give it to them.

Therefore I am happy that one of the vaccine companies are testing the effect on transmission.

The lead engineer from Biontech was interviewed earlier in the week...video posted a few pages back in this thread. One of the things he mentioned is that they don't know if their vaccine will prevent spread but he said, based on previous experiences, he is confident that it will at least reduce the level of spread...I think he threw out a guess of reducing the rate by about 50%. So nothing is defenite but I think we can expect some sort of reduction in the rate of spread as a result of being vaccinated.

FintanMcluskey

Can it be administered to those in nursing home’s with serious underlying issues?

ixoy

Stheno wrote: »

Its fantastic news, the scientists and teams who have achieved this should be recognised in some way

A Nobel prize somewhere? I don't know if it's possible to isolate it, especially the mRNA work, down to a few individuals.

Sconsey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Can it be administered to those in nursing home’s with serious underlying issues?

Probably not, but I guess that hi-lights why care workers need to be at the head of the queue. Makes me think it should be a pre-requirement for care workers going forward but I dont want open that can of worms:eek:

FintanMcluskey

Sconsey wrote: »

Probably not, but I guess that hi-lights why care workers need to be at the head of the queue. Makes me think it should be a pre-requirement for care workers going forward but I dont want open that can of worms:eek:

Realistically until everyone is vaccinated restrictions will remain in some shape.

I would assume spectator sports or any crowds would be out of the question until everyone is vaccinated?

froog

this might be the greatest human achievement of modern times in all honesty. maybe the human race isn't so f*cked after all.

Deeper Blue

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I would assume spectator sports or any crowds would be out of the question until everyone is vaccinated?

The solution to that problem would be vaccine certificates of some kind.

normanoffside

So i see the EU are recommending the use of Antigen tests

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1329046305495261190

But we won't be using them because NPHET are not convinced

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1329053445576388608

funnydoggy

normanoffside wrote: »

So i see the EU are recommending the use of Antigen tests

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1329046305495261190

But we won't be using them because NPHET are not convinced

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1329053445576388608

:mad::mad:

Stark

Apparently they're very poor at picking up asymptomatic cases. Probably useful as a supplement to PCR testing rather than a replacement.

stephenjmcd

normanoffside wrote: »

So i see the EU are recommending the use of Antigen tests

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1329046305495261190

But we won't be using them because NPHET are not convinced

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1329053445576388608

Quite strange, CMO regularly references ECDC guidance which today backs EU commission viewpoint, but nope I guess we know better.

Its another bit of technology that could be useful in some settings but as usual we fail to adapt

manniot2

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Realistically until everyone is vaccinated restrictions will remain in some shape.

I would assume spectator sports or any crowds would be out of the question until everyone is vaccinated?

If vaccinating the most in need leads to nobody being in ICU with COVID, then its hard to justify restrictions IMO.

manniot2

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Quite strange, CMO regularly references ECDC guidance which today backs EU commission viewpoint, but nope I guess we know better.

Its another bit of technology that could be useful in some settings but as usual we fail to adapt

He's not interested in solutions out of this. Plain to see, for whatever reason, they dont want this to end.

FintanMcluskey

manniot2 wrote: »

If vaccinating the most in need leads to nobody being in ICU with COVID, then its hard to justify restrictions IMO.

I had understood those in ICU were from the general population.

Those in nursing homes didn’t get sent to hospital.

I callus be wrong on that, info is hard to come by.

normanoffside

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Quite strange, CMO regularly references ECDC guidance which today backs EU commission viewpoint, but nope I guess we know better.

Its another bit of technology that could be useful in some settings but as usual we fail to adapt

It would be very useful to do spot checks in nursing homes and Hospital staff, the major causes of our deaths, but no....

ACitizenErased

There's zero excuse for not using rapid tests tbh, no matter how sensitive they are. The current alternative to PCR is nothing. We need an alternative.

Vicxas

Say what you will but 8 months to develop a vaccine is staggeringly good

dominatinMC

froog wrote: »

this might be the greatest human achievement of modern times in all honesty. maybe the human race isn't so f*cked after all.

Now if we could only apply the same response to climate change..:pac:

FintanMcluskey

dominatinMC wrote: »

Now if we could only apply the same response to climate change..:pac:

And the issue of world hunger that cost 10m lives this year.

Small steps

daydorunrun

dominatinMC wrote: »

Now if we could only apply the same response to climate change..:pac:

Covid-19 was the cure for climate change-

Less people, less change in climate :cool:

froog

dominatinMC wrote: »

Now if we could only apply the same response to climate change..:pac:

yup, a far far greater danger than covid.