Who would you prefer managing the Corona virus pandemic: FG or SF

v638sg7k1a92bx

I have much more comfort knowing FG are in government right now rather than SF. Could you imagine SF trying to deal with this issue, they’d probably have some TD tweeting how the virus is an international Jewish conspiracy.

Btw, to all the millenials who voted SF in the expectation of increased social (free) housing. Let’s see how comfortable you are with SF managing the resulting economic crisis and job losses.

the dark phantom

Not bored of SF bashing yet ?

Wanderer78

Again, sf are not in government, and most likely will not be in the near future, move on, it's unhealthy for you

tdf7187

the dark phantom wrote: »

Not bored of SF bashing yet ?

My understanding is that latest research shows the SF bashing addiction is a life-long, incurable affliction with limited chances of a vaccine ever being discovered.

ThunbergsAreGo

Who cares, all parties need to row in behind this

I do think the opposition parties could show a bit more solidarity publicly. This isn't and shouldn't be a political issue

baldbear

Sinn Fein would have the Corona virus disappeared by now.

Oranage2

UnitedPeople - We'd have a more clearer actions

CFlat

My understanding is that all parties are rowing in behind FG in these difficult times. It's not a time for one upmanship, it's a time for solidarity.

munsterlegend

baldbear wrote: »

Sinn Fein would have the Corona virus disappeared by now.

It hasn’t gone away you know.

140,000 jobs lost last week,entire sectors of econmy decimated,budget deficits that will be horrendous,thousands of extra public service workers will be hired**


Is this not the doomsday scenario envisaged by many FG heads on boards if SF got into power??


**i know the times are extra ordinary and broadly support measures brought in,but its just pure hypocritical nature of the OP and others to blindly support what 6 weeks ago would have horrified them that is galling

Ultimanemo

SF would manage it much better, corona virus pandemic needs dictatorial rulers and totalitarian regimes.

Charles Babbage

It's like the 1980s joke.
What kills germs better than Vortex?
Semtex.

bobbysands81

Kendall Repulsive Airline wrote: »

I have much more comfort knowing FG are in government right now rather than SF. Could you imagine SF trying to deal with this issue, they’d probably have some TD tweeting how the virus is an international Jewish conspiracy.

Btw, to all the millenials who voted SF in the expectation of increased social (free) housing. Let’s see how comfortable you are with SF managing the resulting economic crisis and job losses.

Far better outcomes for the island if decisions were being made in synergy between the two political jurisdictions than separately.

Diseases don’t recognise borders therefore a 32 county cross border approach to combating this disease would have best outcomes for all people on this island.

ThunbergsAreGo

I'm glad it's FG charge purely as they would understand the department's better than others (regardless of how well you think they have done).

Times like this, existing relationships etc are all important and can expedite decision making.

It would have been a baptism of fire for any new government, especially one with as many inexperienced TDs as SF (or FF) of being in government.

Mrcaramelchoc

Doctors and scientists please.

screamer

Like any time in life you face something huge and unknown you seek out someone who has experience or knowledge. I’m no fan of FG, but given that they are experienced in day to day running of the country and they have guidance from knowledgeable and experienced medical staff I think the current setup is the best we can ask for. I have been unexpectedly surprised and impressed with Leo, Coveney and Harris. Maybe you only see someone’s true steel when in battle, who knows.

ThewhiteJesus

The Sinn Fein vote is a sad reflection of the intelligence in our country.

Kermit.de.frog

SF couldn't manage a corner shop.

splinter65

[Deleted User] wrote: »

140,000 jobs lost last week,entire sectors of econmy decimated,budget deficits that will be horrendous,thousands of extra public service workers will be hired**


Is this not the doomsday scenario envisaged by many FG heads on boards if SF got into power??


**i know the times are extra ordinary and broadly support measures brought in,but its just pure hypocritical nature of the OP and others to blindly support what 6 weeks ago would have horrified them that is galling

And if ML and Doherty were Taoiseach and Tanaiste what would they have done differently Blaaz, assuming that you are implying that the current state of the country is down to FG mismanagement?

_Brian

FF but only if Bertie were leader

Nesta99

Oranage2 wrote: »

UnitedPeople - We'd have a more clearer actions

What do you not find clear? Wash hands, cover coughs and sneezes, apply social separation, self-isolate and contact your GP if you meet criteria - high temp, cough, contact with someone who has been infected. Its up to people to listen to instructions but because people dont take things as seriously as they should additional measure like shutting bars, cancelling sporting events etc helps slow down the rate of spread to hopefully manageable levels.

I think the lack of other parties bar FG always in the news is indicative of cross party support, its not miles away from having a national crisis government. They would probably all be doing the same ie listening to Dept of Health advisors. It isnt time for a rookie government and I doubt either SF or FF would be that fussed on governing currently or overseeing a damaged economy during a wold recession in due course - bit of a poison chalice now for whomever forms the government.

Annasopra

I'd say it's immaterial. SF wont want to govern now for at least 5 years if not more.

I'm not a fan of FG at all but I think Simon Coveney and Simon Harris are doing a great job right now.

Montage of Feck

While I'd agree that people need to get over themselves re SF, I'd much rather the current government stays in place until we get over the current unprecedented crisis.

splinter65

splinter65 wrote: »

And if ML and Doherty were Taoiseach and Tanaiste what would they have done differently Blaaz, assuming that you are implying that the current state of the country is down to FG mismanagement?

Very little id say,

just think the hyprocisy is laughable...a doomsday scenario in terms of econmic crisis that 6 weeks ago was end of world stuff....is suddently ok so.as to own shinners,childish stuff really

I dont think FG are to blame for CV-19 if thats what your thinking

walshb

I think SF would be too concerned and concentrated on the hardship of it all on their voters compared to getting on with actually making tough decisions to fight it..

Wanderer78

ThewhiteJesus wrote:

The Sinn Fein vote is a sad reflection of the intelligence in our country.

No its bloody not, it shows people were/are sick of the norm, an intelligence test is not a part of the voting system

splinter65

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Very little id say,

just think the hyprocisy is laughable...a doomsday scenario in terms of econmic crisis that 6 weeks ago was end of world stuff....is suddently ok so.as to own shinners,childish stuff really

I dont think FG are to blame for CV-19 if thats what your thinking

Well I can’t see the hypocrisy then....because there is none. The economic crisis is not “suddenly ok”. Who said it was? If you can’t tell me how SF would handle this crisis in a better way then you can’t point a finger at any other administration.

LillySV

The heads of the civil service are doing the thinking planning and making decisions ...govts only act as marketing men who announce the plans

Not everything needs to turn into politics mickey measuring.

I’m happy with what’s being done currently though and I think any of them would have stepped up.

splinter65

splinter65 wrote: »

Well I can’t see the hypocrisy then....because there is none. The economic crisis is not “suddenly ok”. Who said it was? If you can’t tell me how SF would handle this crisis in a better way then you can’t point a finger at any other administration.

You may wish to talk to the OP then as he is all in blowing his load, thrilled with FG performance here


Quite why you think,i know nor care about how SF would handle this is beyond me....people are allowed to point out.hyprocrisy of those who.scream house down at preceived job losses under shinners,but then turn blind eye to 140K losses (mostly low.paid) last week without being SF supporters

I did say they wouldnt do anything much different,but this deos not give others a licence for hyprocrisy imo anyway

Those pesky 40-65 year old Millennials that voted for SF in greater numbers than they voted for FG.

Gen Z voted for SF in higher numbers than Millennials.

All in all, a witless opening post.

growleaves

Bizarro Sinn Fein have failed us in a parallel universe. Remember that when you are sealed in your voting booth.

D9Male

I am extremely impressed with our political establishment.

The government, in particular Coveney and Harris have been assured and giving the right message.

Sinn f have been sensible. Maybe they were tempted to be vocal, but I admire their restraint. The last thing we need is political bollixology.

bobbysands81

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

The Sinn Fein vote is a sad reflection of the intelligence in our country.

I agree, can’t believe so few voted for them.

Eric Cartman

baldbear wrote: »

Sinn Fein would have the Corona virus disappeared by now.

Put it in the back of a van, have gerry blow its knees off and be done with t.

The_Brood

And under the current system who is going to be paying for social assistance for those who lose their jobs? That's right, the working poor and the middle class. Whatever the rich are forced to chip in doesn't make the tiniest dent in their wealth, but the regular people of this country have to suffer now. How do the masses approve of this? How is it ok for Apple, Google etc. and the many others to pay next to nothing due to the policies of FG?

It is absolutely ridiculous that people vote and support a system that takes money away from the working poor and the middle class, while the rich get richer and richer and richer.

Eric Cartman

The_Brood wrote: »

And under the current system who is going to be paying for social assistance for those who lose their jobs? That's right, the working poor and the middle class. Whatever the rich are forced to chip in doesn't make the tiniest dent in their wealth, but the regular people of this country have to suffer now. How do the masses approve of this? How is it ok for Apple, Google etc. and the many others to pay next to nothing due to the policies of FG?

It is absolutely ridiculous that people vote and support a system that takes money away from the working poor and the middle class, while the rich get richer and richer and richer.

The ‘rich’ and middle class pay for literally everything here, this country would be on its knees without the rich who are at breaking point already , any more tax burden and theyd be gone

handlemaster

SF have more experience with body count.

FrancieBrady

Government doing ok. Should have thought through a few things better and responded to calls for pubs to shut earlier.
Also they were a bit lilly livered not heavily criticising the DUP stance (had it been SF they'd have had a field day) and cautioning against travel to and from the only place in Europe adopting a different strategy.
Despite doing ok, they can't help being FG at the end of the day I suppose.

The_Brood

Eric Cartman wrote: »

The ‘rich’ and middle class pay for literally everything here, this country would be on its knees without the rich who are at breaking point already , any more tax burden and theyd be gone

Erm as the working poor tax is robbed off me too to pay for those who don't work. Tax money that I desperately could do with, but am not allowed to have. How is that ok?

Nollog

If we follow the logic of your own OP then SF would've closed businesses faster surely because they're so anti-business, and we'd all be on a thousand euro a week on their welfare offering, according to you.

Eric Cartman

The_Brood wrote: »

Erm as the working poor tax is robbed off me too to pay for those who don't work. Tax money that I desperately could do with, but am not allowed to have. How is that ok?

Its not, your tax money is used to fund stupid quangos, a top heavy inefficient health system and europes most generous and most abused welfare state, no amount of punishing the rich is going to fix the problem, when you have a bucket that leaks you fix the holes not add more water

v638sg7k1a92bx

The_Brood wrote: »

And under the current system who is going to be paying for social assistance for those who lose their jobs? That's right, the working poor and the middle class. Whatever the rich are forced to chip in doesn't make the tiniest dent in their wealth, but the regular people of this country have to suffer now. How do the masses approve of this? How is it ok for Apple, Google etc. and the many others to pay next to nothing due to the policies of FG?

It is absolutely ridiculous that people vote and support a system that takes money away from the working poor and the middle class, while the rich get richer and richer and richer.

Actually the majority of tax that is collected is paid by a minority of higher earners. People on Low incomes pay very little income tax and our exchequer as a whole is over reliant on a small number of large multinationals who pay the vast majority of corporation tax that it’s not even funny. If we lost those companies a lot of people would be out of work and we would lose the corporation tax that those companies pay which is what keeps our public services going.

Ultimanemo

The_Brood wrote: »

And under the current system who is going to be paying for social assistance for those who lose their jobs? That's right, the working poor and the middle class. Whatever the rich are forced to chip in doesn't make the tiniest dent in their wealth, but the regular people of this country have to suffer now. How do the masses approve of this? How is it ok for Apple, Google etc. and the many others to pay next to nothing due to the policies of FG?

It is absolutely ridiculous that people vote and support a system that takes money away from the working poor and the middle class, while the rich get richer and richer and richer.

Do you think it is possible to make Apple and Google pay more tax and give you the money?.
Apple, Google, PayPal, Medtronics, Boston Scientific and many others employ thousands and if you tax them more they will go to other countries and thousands will lose their jobs.
Those companies pay a lot taxes for their employees, for example if they pay an employee 40K a year and the tax is 40% then the company will pay 16000 a year of tax for that employee

solidasarock

I think we got REALLY lucky with the timing of the last election and the outcome. It was a election for change and those happen. Its natural and I dont blame anyone for voting the way they did. But **** happens and the waters where muddied and thank god that right now we have a experienced government in charge in a time we NEED a experienced government in charge.

SkepticQuark

I think it makes no difference honestly, our politics tends to be more united in times like this. It's been obvious during Brexit that all major political parties ultimately have the same view of things and it's been obvious during this that it's the same.

Heart Break Kid

Kendall Repulsive Airline wrote: »

I have much more comfort knowing FG are in government right now rather than SF. Could you imagine SF trying to deal with this issue, they’d probably have some TD tweeting how the virus is an international Jewish conspiracy.

Btw, to all the millenials who voted SF in the expectation of increased social (free) housing. Let’s see how comfortable you are with SF managing the resulting economic crisis and job losses.

Em Medical professionals isn't an option? Ultimate regardless who is in government they would be expected to follow medical advice.

v638sg7k1a92bx

Heart Break Kid wrote: »

Em Medical professionals isn't an option? Ultimate regardless who is in government they would be expected to follow medical advice.

Em medical professionals give medical advice they don’t run the country.

thomasdylan

I think Simon Harris has done fairly well so far. Health seems to be a disaster no matter who is in charge. Northern Ireland have been having their own issues too.

I don't think Louise O'Reilly is impressive at all, I think she'd be out of her depth.

Edgware

thomasdylan wrote: »

I think Simon Harris has done fairly well so far. Health seems to be a disaster no matter who is in charge. Northern Ireland have been having their own issues too.

I don't think Louise O'Reilly is impressive at all, I think she'd be out of her depth.

It would take any party new to Government a lot of time to get up to speed with civil service/public service practice and procedure and the ordinary businesss of government.
Louise O Reilly probably has ideas on how to improve the health service but in the middle of a pandemic is not the time to start the changes

JP Liz V1

I don't think any government want to be dealing with this, I'm sure they are scaried too, anyways FG are doing a good job