The UK response to Covid-19 [MOD WARNING 1ST POST]

robinph

Aegir wrote: »

My parents are convinced that some people are waiting for Boris to knock on the front door and tell them exactly what they should be doing.

Anyone who does not know at this stage is either a complete moron or lives in some sort of bunker completely detached from the rest of the world.

Yep, but they are out there.

Was surprised to get a call from a more senior friend a couple of weeks ago three days after the shutting down of all shops and leisure centres who had just got back from their regular bus ride across the city to a gym where they would spend most of the day then on the treadmill and then chatting with their mates in the coffee shop. They hadn't watched any telly, read any newspapers or listened to the radio so were completely oblivious to things having been shut down over the weekend. They are not an idiot, but just hadn't had any reason to consume any news for several days... so didn't and things had changed in the meantime.

devnull

Aegir wrote: »

i doubt anybody has two tests on the same day

On 3rd April there were 11k tests carried out on just over 6.5k people.

It has been pretty common recently for people to be tested twice a day.

Joe_ Public

13,000 people were not tested yesterday or for the period referred to there. Not publishing that figure just makes it look suspicious, like they'd prefer not to have it out there for some reason. Unless its an oversight and we get it later.

S.M.B.

robinph wrote: »

Not sure that it's vital information in the letter. Haven't opened mine yet which only arrived today, but the letter and it's contents were decided on a couple of weeks ago now and is already well publicised. It's just been posted out to cover people who have not been paying attention to the news and don't know what is going on.

If they needed to tell ME anything they they would be writing to ME.

That's fair enough

theological

The letter just has a generic letter from Boris and an information booklet about the disease and the isolating example for a household over 14 days.

Donald Trump

Aegir wrote: »

My parents are convinced that some people are waiting for Boris to knock on the front door and tell them exactly what they should be doing.

Anyone who does not know at this stage is either a complete moron or lives in some sort of bunker completely detached from the rest of the world.

That'd be the various UK politicians then.....

A Dub in Glasgo

I am surprised worldometers is using the number of tests carried out (252,958) rather than the number of people tested especially when they then use this figure to populate the tests / million population

(252,958/67,886,011)x1,000,000 = 3,726

(208,837/67,886,011)x1,000,000 = 3,076

Donald Trump

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

I am surprised worldometers is using the number of tests carried out (252,958) rather than the number of people tested especially when they then use this figure to populate the tests / million population

(252,958/67,886,011)x1,000,000 = 3,726

(208,837/67,886,011)x1,000,000 = 3,076

It can be argued both ways.

If you have a nurse working in a hospital, getting tested every day then each test is separate really.

If you had symptoms 3 weeks ago and got tested as clear, and have symptoms again today and get a new test, that should still be counted twice.

devnull

devnull wrote: »

On 3rd April there were 11k tests carried out on just over 6.5k people.

It has been pretty common recently for people to be tested twice a day.

its the same data, just presented differently. Easy to work out the day by day data if you so wish

silver2020

There are two tests - antigen test and antibody tests.

The 3.5m testing kits that the UK bought from China are no good for either test.

devnull

Joe_ Public wrote: »

13,000 people were not tested yesterday or for the period referred to there. Not publishing that figure just makes it look suspicious, like they'd prefer not to have it out there for some reason. Unless its an oversight and we get it later.

I'm having a look at this now and found some strange things.

- On 3rd April they reported by tweet that in the most recent stats, a total of 173,784 people had been tested.

- On 4th April they reported by tweet that in the last period a total of 183,190 people had been tested.

However on 4th April by their own admission, they only tested 6,570 people the previous day, yet the number of people tested in the overall figures increased by almost 9,500?

Aegir wrote: »

its the same data, just presented differently. Easy to work out the day by day data if you so wish

I tried, but the day by day people tested figures don't seem to correlate with the increases in the overall number of people being tested which has increased by more!

Joe_ Public

devnull wrote: »

I'm having a look at this now and found some strange things.

- On 3rd April they reported by tweet that in the most recent stats, a total of 173,784 people had been tested.

- On 4th April they reported by tweet that in the last period a total of 183,190 people had been tested.

However on 4th April by their own admission, they only tested 6,570 people the previous day, yet the number of people tested in the overall figures increased by almost 9,500?

Would seem to indicate that 3,000 were either retests or something else.

Sorry, read that too quick. Its all just a bit confusing, whether its through design or bad management, its hard to know to trust the figures.

devnull

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Would seem to indicate that 3,000 were either retests or something else.

Yes, I thought that too and wondered if they'd added the number of tests to the number of people in error or oversight, but the numbers don't fit exactly so it could not be that. Even if they were retests on the same day, this should be reflected in a higher number of tests, rather than a double counting of people.#

For these stats to be truly reflective, realistically you need to add all of the figures from each day together for people and add all the figures together for tests and see which each one totals up as. But here for some reason there is a discrepancy between what the daily totals add up to and the increase in the overall totals.

It seems like either a reporting error and/or oversight by who is collating the data, or different criteria are being applied to compile the the overall figures are from the criteria that is used for the daily figures, which would be very strange, since it should be a straight cumulative total unless they're going for unique people and even unique people doesn't make sense, because that would drag the overall numbers below the cumulative total, not push it higher.

LoughNeagh2017

How can anyone take Robin Swann seriously when he speaks Ulster Scots on TV, "I'm feared, we're all feared".

Memnoch

The state of testing in the UK has been well documented but there is no real valid explanation for why they are so far behind everybody else in Europe and every other developed economy.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

See their testing figures per million population. Beyond abysmal.

It seems that this is a political choice rather than a question of limited resources. With the NHS staff, not even a discernible percentage have been tested. It looks like they decided to plow ahead with their herd immunity strategy.

Basically, by the time they actually start testing them everyone in the NHS will already have been exposed to the virus. And if some of them succumb as a result well that was something that Cummings et all have always been happy to accept.

With the general population, there are countless people dying in the community many of whom might never be counted as associated with this catastrophe. The administration was caught off guard by the office of national statistics a couple weeks ago but they have probably corralled it by now.

By not testing now they can simply make up whatever numbers they like when the final accounting is done.

Body recovery teams are being prepared to go into the community in the UK. This gives an idea of the kind of devastation that is taking place for which there is unlikely to be any real account.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-dont-underestimate-how-unpleasant-this-will-be-body-recovery-teams-warned-11969425

This administration is not incompetent it is evil.

Joe_ Public

Posted a FT article here a few days ago that looked into the testing issue. Basically, the UK and Germany weren't far from the same place in january, actually working together to produce testing kits. But then they departed and went their separate ways. Was that political? Very likely. The herd immunity strategy didnt really require much of a testing policy so they likely never saw it as a priority. But then all change, they're forced into a new strategy but one that relies on mass testing and they hadnt built up the capacity to cope with it. Broadly, i think that may be partly wht they are in their current bind.

S.M.B.

Boris is in intensive care now.

Memnoch

Memnoch wrote: »

The state of testing in the UK has been well documented but there is no real valid explanation for why they are so far behind everybody else in Europe and every other developed economy.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

See their testing figures per million population. Beyond abysmal.

It seems that this is a political choice rather than a question of limited resources. With the NHS staff, not even a discernible percentage have been tested. It looks like they decided to plow ahead with their herd immunity strategy.

Basically, by the time they actually start testing them everyone in the NHS will already have been exposed to the virus. And if some of them succumb as a result well that was something that Cummings et all have always been happy to accept.

With the general population, there are countless people dying in the community many of whom might never be counted as associated with this catastrophe. The administration was caught off guard by the office of national statistics a couple weeks ago but they have probably corralled it by now.

By not testing now they can simply make up whatever numbers they like when the final accounting is done.

Body recovery teams are being prepared to go into the community in the UK. This gives an idea of the kind of devastation that is taking place for which there is unlikely to be any real account.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-dont-underestimate-how-unpleasant-this-will-be-body-recovery-teams-warned-11969425

This administration is not incompetent it is evil.

are France, Greece, Sweden and Poland not European countries, or are they not develope?

Timberrrrrrrr

News alert that BoJo been moved to intensive care

punisher5112

How many others did he infect with his stupidity?

is_that_so

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

News alert that BoJo been moved to intensive care

Much as he's been cavalier in the whole UK strategy I hope he recovers.

biko

Hope he pulls through. Scary stuff.

devnull

S.M.B. wrote: »

Boris is in intensive care now.

I hope that he pulls through and makes a full recovery and thoughts are with his family and friends at this difficult time, especially his fiancee Carrie who must be worried sick at the moment with a child on the way and spare a thought for the other children of Boris at the moment who won't be able to be anywhere near him at this difficult time.

Nobody is invincible from this disease, even people who we believe are fit and well and not in the relevant risk categories are not at the age where you expect them to have problems. It's a terrible, terrible disease and the idea that it is something that only effects old people and those with underlying conditions needs to be put out to pasture.

This should act as a warning to all of those people out there both in this country and the UK who feel that they are invincible, that anyone can get this disease and anyone can spread it, so observing social distancing at all times is vital and for all those people who were out in the parks at this weekend who don't get it, this could be you next - stay at home. Period.

MadYaker

punisher5112 wrote: »

But this is how they are all counting deaths.....

Hospital deaths are the only ones we are shown, those at home, in care homes etc aren't....

I don't trust or believe China either and their figures are definitely messed with.

Were counting all the deaths in Ireland as far as I'm aware, deaths in nursing homes are definitely counted. Its the same in France and Germany. This is was why France posted a frightening death count over the weekend, they started including nursing homes.

Does anyone really know what the story is with Johnson, is it really just tests? Odd that he never left if its just tests.

Edit: just seen the news. Hope he pulls through, this is not what anyone needs right now. Apparently he's soon to be a father as well.

A Dub in Glasgo

No way is it just tests

All that rubbish on the news ealier about how he is still running the country from his hospital bed and how he still gets his red box briefings yet Raab has not spoken to him since Saturday

is_that_so

Guardian have some thoughts on how it has been managed.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/apr/06/the-strange-lead-up-to-boris-johnsons-admission-to-hospital

Jinglejangle69

Seen nasty comments from people saying they wish Leo caught the virus now he's back in medicine.

Hopefully this puts things into perspective.

Hope he pulls through.

Enzokk

This doesn't read well for the UK or US,

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1247243903855661061?s=20

They are both heading above Spain and Italy, and the peak in the UK is still a week away if they follow the same timeline as Italy as well.

My guess is Johnson is on a ventilator later this evening and it is touch and go if he makes it. This disease doesn't care who you are, it will not discriminate on who gets sick and then it seems like if you are unlucky you will have a bad outcome. All countries should have stopped mucking about and taken this seriously from the start.

Foweva Awone

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Seen nasty comments from people saying they wish Leo caught the virus now he's back in medicine.

Seeing as he'll be doing phone assessments, it would seem fairly unlikely ...

McDermotX

South Korea really had their sh1t together.