Schools closed until undetermined date - was March 29th

Random sample

dockysher wrote: »

What an average hourly rate be for a secondary school teacher with say 4 years experience in school? Permenant in school.

Why?

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Dickie10 wrote: »

yeah i dont think we will be back to any normal until mid june. LC will not go ahead before august

I think if things are back to normal in June, the exams should go ahead in July.

bren2001

Jim Gazebo wrote: »

There is a campaign started up on twitter for a no detriment policy for college students, would that work for the LC? Basically means exams are run remote but you can't get less overall than whatever your average grade is already.

How would that work for LC students? University students have all taken the same exam, the same CA, given by the same lecturer and it's just a small reworking of the precision mark calculation (depending on the course). LC students have not taken the same exams as each other and there is no way for the Dept. of Education to stand over results issued by individual teachers. It's not feasible in my opinion. It also just guarantees you X number of points as a base and you can then target specific subjects to improve on and sacrifice the other ones.

storker

How certain is it that the Junior Cert will be cancelled? I have an anxious JC student in the house...

wirelessdude01

storker wrote: »

How certain is it that the Junior Cert will be cancelled? I have an anxious JC student in the house...

I'd lay the house on it.

dockysher

Random sample wrote: »

Why?

Just curious, a mate of mine whos a teacher always messing/slagging about having so much time off and getting over 30 euro an hour after tax.
Not teacher bashing at all just didn't realise the money was that good.
Really considering retraining as teacher myself this year.

doc_17

storker wrote: »

How certain is it that the Junior Cert will be cancelled? I have an anxious JC student in the house...

It's not certain. Nowhere near it. It may be pulled in June but it could go ahead in September. Keep them at it.

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dockysher wrote: »

Just curious, a mate of mine whos a teacher always messing/slagging about having so much time off and getting over 30 euro an hour after tax.
Not teacher bashing at all just didn't realise the money was that good.
Really considering retraining as teacher myself this year.

It's not at all relevant to this thread, but it would depend on so many things. How many hours are they on? I haven't heard of anyone getting a permanent job in at least 10 years, but that wouldn't make a difference to the hourly rate. Assuming they have been full time for the 4 years, I presume he's on point 4 of the scale, so that would show you his annual income. As for hourly wage, that would depend on how many hours he's putting in.

Sounds like your mate is getting in there before anyone starts slagging him about having a cushy number. I'd take it with a pinch of salt, and wouldn't make big life decisions based on it.

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doc_17 wrote: »

It's not certain. Nowhere near it. It may be pulled in June but it could go ahead in September. Keep them at it.

The only way I could see Junior Cert being cancelled would be if social distancing is still in operation. The SEC have different staff in charge of Junior and Leaving Cert, I don't think they'd need to redirect any of them, and most who choose to do Junior Cert don't want to do Leaving Cert.

khalessi

dockysher wrote: »

Just curious, a mate of mine whos a teacher always messing/slagging about having so much time off and getting over 30 euro an hour after tax.
Not teacher bashing at all just didn't realise the money was that good.
Really considering retraining as teacher myself this year.

Not sure if it is 30/hr but sure become a teacher, there are other better paid jobs maybe consider them if money is mitigating factor but be sure to have deep pockets because if you choose secondary teaching you could be temporary for about 10 years like my sister and not on full hours so wouldnt be 30/hr for 40hr week, it would be whatever you were lucky to get with subjects you choose.

SHe worked for a school as a sub when jobs were hard to get but who let her go every year and then she would be on dole but didnt receive it till august as she had chance of remployment with that particular school and had to manage a mortgage. long story but thats it briefly.

Also liking paperwork handy I hate it and also not minding buying own equipment. My first year in primary I spent 2000 or so euro buliding up supplies and teaching aids as they werent in school.

I pay for photocopying and photocopy paper which doesnt sound too bad but try that for class of 30, it soon builds up. I tried to stop but always spend a few hundred euro each year not counting the 600e I spent on a laptop and router few weeks ago, that i couldnt afford but otherwise could not teach without.

I do however get a reimbursement of 100e if it is available


Btw not complaining, just being factual as I love my job.

I know of teachers who dont spend any but I am a soft touch as I have bought lunch for kids who dont have it, also supply them with basics such as pens pencils etc and I want to do well so if I cant get equipment in school I buy it if I feel it will help me do a better job.

Welcome to the club, are you thinking primary or secondary?

Treppen

dockysher wrote: »

What an average hourly rate be for a secondary school teacher with say 4 years experience in school? Permenant in school.

Tell em nothing lads it's a trap :pac:

Bobtheman

scrubs33 wrote: »

None taken:) Hoping against hope maybe but I do think schools will open at some stage in May. I don't think I can link the article but the Irish Times suggested yesterday that an announcement would be forthcoming within the next two weeks on what is going to happen. If that's true, logistically, it's going to put schools under huge pressure no matter what the proposals are.

It's just the way we and I mean we are going on you would think the LC was the most important thing ever. As to that academic: the government is used to ignoring these people. It gave 20 million to Connaught rugby club and 1m to a pilot scheme for free primary school books..That shows it's priorities. It now has to figure out a scheme to look after health care workers kids. 400k unemployed.
When the surge comes and it hasnt then we will be scrambling around looking for ventilators . People will be left to die
Thus I can't see schools opening until late summer
You might have some easing of restrictions in the next few weeks but allowing a couple of thousand kids into schools ain't one of them.

tfarrell

Do you think the new academic year will go ahead as planned ie the mid terms etc will remain in place for Oct & Feb mid term?

Assuming we are back to school in September?

Just wondering what all your thoughts are.

scrubs33

Bobtheman wrote: »

It's just the way we and I mean we are going on you would think the LC was the most important thing ever. As to that academic: the government is used to ignoring these people. It gave 20 million to Connaught rugby club and 1m to a pilot scheme for free primary school books..That shows it's priorities. It now has to figure out a scheme to look after health care workers kids. 400k unemployed.
When the surge comes and it hasnt then we will be scrambling around looking for ventilators . People will be left to die
Thus I can't see schools opening until late summer
You might have some easing of restrictions in the next few weeks but allowing a couple of thousand kids into schools ain't one of them.

Fair points. I wonder though are we past the peak/surge? One of the number crunchers on Twitter has used HSE figures and on the 30th March there were 131 new cases of people with Covid admitted to hospital and by the 4th of April that was 62. ICU admissions went from 29 to 4. I can't even begin to imagine what conditions are like in hospitals and that decline must be some relief to workers there. However if those figures hold up the pressure to reopen schools will be intense I imagine?

wirelessdude01

tfarrell wrote: »

Do you think the new academic year will go ahead as planned ie the mid terms etc will remain in place for Oct & Feb mid term?

Assuming we are back to school in September?

Just wondering what all your thoughts are.

Why wouldn't they?

Bobtheman

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/coronavirus-ireland-update-new-cases-21805438.amp

I would go by this on the surge not some random dude on Twitter.
This is the calm before the storm. Sure I'd love to be wrong and our conditions stop a surge

scrubs33

The Irish Times saying we have passed peak infections https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/coronavirus-ireland-can-expect-400-deaths-by-august-according-to-international-study-1.4223043 Anyway hopefully we can get back sooner rather than later. A little more communication from the powers that be would help greatly. I'm really concerned about some of my students who will find it very difficult to re-engage after the break.

I would go by this on the surge not some random dude on Twitter.
This is the calm before the storm. Sure I'd love to be wrong and our conditions stop a surge[/QUOTE]

loyatemu

scrubs33 wrote: »

The Irish Times saying we have passed peak infections https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/coronavirus-ireland-can-expect-400-deaths-by-august-according-to-international-study-1.4223043

the levels of infections, hospitalisations and deaths are all starting to level off (i.e. the rate of increase is slowing), which is positive. However none of them is an entirely accurate gauge of the situation, and all of them are telling us what was happening in terms of transmission at least a week ago.

Also, no-one seems sure how we come out of lockdown without risking kicking it all off again.

RealJohn

storker wrote: »

How certain is it that the Junior Cert will be cancelled? I have an anxious JC student in the house...

I wouldn’t bank on it. Even if it’s postponed, it might well take place in some form, later in the year. In the mean time, I would recommend that your kid proceeds on the assumption that it will go ahead, as normal, in June, which could still happen.

randylonghorn

RealJohn wrote: »

I was referring to the people who keep coming up with ways to get students to college and acting like that’s problem solved, ignoring entirely the people who aren’t going to be using their leaving cert to get into college. Grind schools and maybe fee paying schools aside, I imagine most schools have a cohort of students who aren’t going to college, and they deserve better than to be overlooked.

John, I think it's more that there is a definite timeline for those heading off to some form of third level etc. which will either have to be met or adjusted.

Of course all students deserve to get their LC results, and to get *fair* LC results that the SEC can stand over, but for most of those not heading for college, it won't make that much difference whether they get them in August, September or even November.

In fairness, I think that's why there tends to be more discussion on those heading to third-level right now.



Certainly I know I raised a question in this thread a couple of weeks ago about JC, let alone LC.

I don't really see a big issue in the long run for those continuing to LC if they cancel JC this year.

But what about those who leave directly after JC? JC isn't much of a qualification to be waving at an employer, but at least it's something.

Bobtheman

randylonghorn wrote: »

John, I think it's more that there is a definite timeline for those heading off to some form of third level etc. which will either have to be met or adjusted.

Of course all students deserve to get their LC results, and to get *fair* LC results that the SEC can stand over, but for most of those not heading for college, it won't make that much difference whether they get them in August, September or even November.

In fairness, I think that's why there tends to be more discussion on those heading to third-level right now.



Certainly I know I raised a question in this thread a couple of weeks ago about JC, let alone LC.

I don't really see a big issue in the long run for those continuing to LC if they cancel JC this year.

But what about those who leave directly after JC? JC isn't much of a qualification to be waving at an employer, but at least it's something.

If you are waving that at an employer he will tell you to fuxk off

randylonghorn

If you are waving nothing at all at him, what do you think he will say?!

dhaughton99

We have been told to expect our school to open the week after Easter just for 3rd and 6th years. Classes to be held in the sports hall and assembly hall.

Notorious

dhaughton99 wrote: »

We have been told to expect our school to open the week after Easter just for 3rd and 6th years. Classes to be held in the sports hall and assembly hall.

Where did you hear that? Management cannot make that kind of decision. I'd expect we'll have another week or two of isolation at the very least.

Shn99

dhaughton99 wrote: »

We have been told to expect our school to open the week after Easter just for 3rd and 6th years. Classes to be held in the sports hall and assembly hall.

Meanwhile our teachers have been told to tell us students that online classes will resume on the 20th, Its all speculation atm. Hopefully more clarity later this week. Schools were one of the first premises to close so id imagine they'd be the last to reopen

randylonghorn

Schools should open before pubs tbh.

dhaughton99 wrote: »

We have been told to expect our school to open the week after Easter just for 3rd and 6th years. Classes to be held in the sports hall and assembly hall.

Notorious wrote: »

Where did you hear that? Management cannot make that kind of decision. I'd expect we'll have another week or two of isolation at the very least.

In fairness, "expect" isn't a decision, it's someone making a guess.

That said, I think they're being unrealistic too, and would have done better to bide their time.

dhaughton99

Notorious wrote: »

Where did you hear that? Management cannot make that kind of decision. I'd expect we'll have another week or two of isolation at the very least.

Caretaker. He was told to prep the rooms by the principal.

randylonghorn

dhaughton99 wrote: »

Caretaker. He was told to prep the rooms by the principal.

Lol.

So they'll be prepped whenever they come back / if they come back, whether that's the week after Easter or 3 weeks later.

Not exactly a reliable source tbh.

Bobtheman

dhaughton99 wrote: »

Caretaker. He was told to prep the rooms by the principal.

Probably a Principal who can't bear the thought of his caretaker doing nothing or just wants to be on the safe side. I have also just heard that the Easter Bunny has covid 19 as well

dhaughton99

randylonghorn wrote: »

Lol.

So they'll be prepped whenever they come back / if they come back, whether that's the week after Easter or 3 weeks later.

Not exactly a reliable source tbh.

He doesn’t do BS.