Proud of Ireland

After hearing about a teacher in the UK who is worried that some of the children migh not having enough food at home if the school is closed, schools in the UK are not closed at the moment but imagine being worried about that as a teacher.

SEPT 23 1989

Different level of poverty over there

Darc19

Social welfare about half of what it is here.

Sick pay £20 a day v €60 here for covid 19 illness


Yet they still voted for boris

ancapailldorcha

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Different level of poverty over there

This. Like, I've a decent enough life in London. I make my rent and I've a few bob for savings and the odd trip to the cinema. I can travel a bit as well but realistically, I will never be able to afford children here.

The way public services have been decimated here is unreal and then people trot out the tired old lines about loving the NHS while constantly voting for the party who ideologically oppose its very existence beggars belief.

Someone here once said that they'd grown up in East Germany prior to reunification and they found the poverty levels in the north of England shocking. I have no problem believing that.

spaceHopper

Would you line to be living in a family hub or hotel with kids tight not, we are not better than them.

spurious

We would have had occasional instances of situations like that. The level playing field again. It was not always a lack of funds at home, but a chaotic parental lifestyle. It was why we would quite often have children hanging around wanting to help the porters, rather than go home in the evening.

spaceHopper

spaceHopper wrote: »

Would you line to be living in a family hub or hotel with kids tight not, we are not better than them.

Yes, we are much much better.

ancapailldorcha

spaceHopper wrote: »

Would you line to be living in a family hub or hotel with kids tight not, we are not better than them.

I don't like saying that one is better than the other. It's not really accurate or meaningful but I do feel like Ireland takes much better care of its poorer people than the UK does, for better or worse as welfare claimants do catach a lot of flak here.

BanditLuke

mariaalice wrote: »

After hearing about a teacher in the UK who is worried that some of the children migh not having enough food at home if the school is closed, schools in the UK are not closed at the moment but imagine being worried about that as a teacher.

And yet people on this very forum would have our welfare system like the UK's.

I am glad at times like this we live on this incredible island that we all call our home.

Idbatterim

Ten pound christmas bonus over there. Still a better system than the **** show here. the working poor screwed themselves and often living at lower living standard, while paying for the free housing and life long handouts, medical card etc :rolleyes:

nobody will die or starve there, the uk...

Feisar

BanditLuke wrote: »

And yet people on this very forum would have our welfare system like the UK's.

I am glad at times like this we live on this incredible island that we all call our home.

??? I've a young lad to feed, why the feck am I obligated to feed someone else's?

Amirani

spaceHopper wrote: »

Would you line to be living in a family hub or hotel with kids tight not, we are not better than them.

If you spent any great time in the UK, particularly outside the South-East, you'd realise that things are far better for poorer people in Ireland.

Family hubs and homelessness are awful, but our welfare system provides far greater supports than its UK equivalent.

MadYaker

spaceHopper wrote: »

Would you line to be living in a family hub or hotel with kids tight not, we are not better than them.

Our social welfare is definitely better.

Thelonious Monk

It's because the kids get fed at school there, so waster parents probably wont know what to do if the schools aren't feeding them.

suicide_circus

Darc19 wrote: »

Yet they still voted for boris

gives you some indication of the calibre of the other crowd.

dxhound2005

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

It's because the kids get fed at school there, so waster parents probably wont know what to do if the schools aren't feeding them.

"School" meals are provided to some children during the holidays.

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2019/08/20/news/free-meals-for-thousands-of-children-to-fight-holiday-hunger--1688701/

AROUND 50,000 disadvantaged children in England have been offered free meals and activities over the summer holidays, funded by £9.1 million from the Department for Education.

The scheme followed a successful £2m programme in the summer of 2018, which saw charities and community groups provide meals and activities such as football, play sessions and cooking classes for more than 18,000 children.

James Brown

There use to be a Breakfast club run by volunteers near me to give all the kids cereal or what ever. This was a community run thing. Not sure if they still do it.

Feisar wrote: »

??? I've a young lad to feed, why the feck am I obligated to feed someone else's?

If you use the traffic lights or went to school, can I expect a cheque from you?

CtevenSrowder

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

This. Like, I've a decent enough life in London. I make my rent and I've a few bob for savings and the odd trip to the cinema. I can travel a bit as well but realistically, I will never be able to afford children here.

The way public services have been decimated here is unreal and then people trot out the tired old lines about loving the NHS while constantly voting for the party who ideologically oppose its very existence beggars belief.

Someone here once said that they'd grown up in East Germany prior to reunification and they found the poverty levels in the north of England shocking. I have no problem believing that.

A blatant lie.

micks_address

Plenty of kids go into school in Ireland with no breakfast.. they run breakfast clubs in lots of schools.. some kids in tears today on hearing they can't come into school to escape the home situation.

ancapailldorcha

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

A blatant lie.

I'm lying? Can you prove that?

Odhinn

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

A blatant lie.

Not really, no.
https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/publications/what-does-public-think-about-nhs

Darc19

spaceHopper wrote: »

Would you line to be living in a family hub or hotel with kids tight not, we are not better than them.

You should check uk "homeless"

Substantially worse than here and many live several to a single room.

You need to see it to believe it.

A hotel room or family hub would be sheer luxury in comparison

Darc19

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

A blatant lie.

Take a visit to Rochdale - go to the working class areas.

It's truly horrific

CtevenSrowder

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I'm lying? Can you prove that?

Yes, you are lying. You made the claim. So it's up to you to prove that the Conservative Party are ideologically opposed to the existence of the NHS. You won't be able to, because they don't.

This is hardly the budget of a party that "ideologically oppose" the NHS.

https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/11/budget-2020-nhs-get-6000000000-nurses-hospitals-2-12382910/

CtevenSrowder

Darc19 wrote: »

Take a visit to Rochdale - go to the working class areas.

It's truly horrific

I meant the bolded claim. I agree with the rest of the post.

ancapailldorcha

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

Yes, you are lying. You made the claim. So it's up to you to prove that the Conservative Party are ideologically opposed to the existence of the NHS. You won't be able to, because they don't.

This is hardly the budget of a party that "ideologically oppose" the NHS.

https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/11/budget-2020-nhs-get-6000000000-nurses-hospitals-2-12382910/

You said I was lying. If you can't back that accusation up then just say so.

4068ac1elhodqr

With about 14,000 offences (up 4%) in the uk for the gansta yoof there carry a 'sharpened utensil'.
You'd be concerned for the general situation in e.g. TowerHamlets, Redcar or Brixton and so on
- during Phase 3/4 of this Pandemic in 6-8wks time.

You'd be better off at the fields of Athenry.

CtevenSrowder

Odhinn wrote: »

Not really, no.
https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/publications/what-does-public-think-about-nhs

What am I looking at here specifically?

Odhinn

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

Yes, you are lying. You made the claim. So it's up to you to prove that the Conservative Party are ideologically opposed to the existence of the NHS. You won't be able to, because they don't.

This is hardly the budget of a party that "ideologically oppose" the NHS.

https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/11/budget-2020-nhs-get-6000000000-nurses-hospitals-2-12382910/

Dominic Raab has admitted co-authoring a pamphlet that advocated increased privatisation of the NHS, as he was challenged on the contentious issue in a live radio interview.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/dominic-raab-nhs-privatisation-general-election-hospitals-conservatives-manifesto-a9230606.html

CtevenSrowder

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

You said I was lying. If you can't back that accusation up then just say so.

I just have. They are giving 6 billion for new hospitals and nurses. Hardly the policy of a party ideologically opposed to the NHS. I await evidence of you assertion.

MakingMovies2

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

I just have. They are giving 6 billion for new hospitals and nurses. Hardly the policy of a party ideologically opposed to the NHS. I await evidence of you assertion.

That's just bull**** from fatty blonde spaffer Johnson.

ancapailldorcha

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

I just have. They are giving 6 billion for new hospitals and nurses. Hardly the policy of a party ideologically opposed to the NHS. I await evidence of you assertion.

Just an announcement that means squat. I'll leave it there.

Odhinn

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

What am I looking at here specifically?

77% of respondents want the NHS to continue as is. The Tories, who are anti NHS, poll 43% of the vote as of the last election. Therefore there is overlap between those who vote tory and who want the NHS to continue as is. Thus the statement

"people trot out the tired old lines about loving the NHS while constantly voting for the party who ideologically oppose its very existence beggars belief."

is true.

CtevenSrowder

Odhinn wrote: »

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/dominic-raab-nhs-privatisation-general-election-hospitals-conservatives-manifesto-a9230606.html

From your own link:

Despite appearing as one of five authors of the 147-page publication in 2011, the foreign secretary insisted the section on opening up the health service to private providers “certainly wasn’t anything I wrote”.

“We’ve been absolutely clear there is going to be no privatisation of the NHS under the Conservative’s watch or this prime minister’s watch,” he said. “In relation to drugs, there is going to be no dilution of our protection of consumers in this country.

CtevenSrowder

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Just an announcement that means squat. I'll leave it there.

So no evidence that they ideologically oppose it. No surprise there.

CtevenSrowder

MakingMovies2 wrote: »

That's just bull**** from fatty blonde spaffer Johnson.

It may be, the claim of 40 hospitals or whatever is more than likely rubbish aswell. Still though, hardly the promises of a party that "ideologically opposes" the NHS, which was the claim made.

Odhinn

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

From your own link:

Yet

The pamphlet said the “current monolith” of the NHS should be “broken up”, adding: “Hospitals should be given their independence, extending the Foundation Hospital model - initially controversial but now almost universally accepted.

“New non-profit and private operators should be allowed into the service, and, indeed should compete on price.”

CtevenSrowder

Odhinn wrote: »

77% of respondents want the NHS to continue as is. The Tories, who are anti NHS, poll 43% of the vote as of the last election. Therefore there is overlap between those who vote tory and who want the NHS to continue as is. Thus the statement is true.

No, I'm saying that the tory party are not ideologically opposed to the NHS, and as such the claim is bogus. I'm aware the NHS is widely supported, and rightly so.

CtevenSrowder

Odhinn wrote: »

Yet

I responded to that. Here is the the article in more detail.

The pamphlet said the “current monolith” of the NHS should be “broken up”, adding: “Hospitals should be given their independence, extending the Foundation Hospital model - initially controversial but now almost universally accepted.

“New non-profit and private operators should be allowed into the service, and, indeed should compete on price.”

It added: “Across the world, countries with more competition, such as Germany and Switzerland, tend to be more efficient. Two-thirds of German hospitals are run privately or not-for-profit.”

Challenged over the comments in the pamphlet on Radio 4’s Today programme – and a section advocating a health service where two-thirds of hospitals are run privately or not-for-profit – Mr Raab replied: “No, it’s not true.”

He went on: “You’ve picked probably a snippet from a pamphlet written a long time ago, but I can tell you categorically I’ve never advocated privatisation of the NHS.

“Yes I co-authored, I think there were five us in total,” he added.

Defending the book, Mr Raab said: “When you go into your average hospital, you see a Costa Coffee there, you see a florist there. Is anyone seriously suggesting that the nurses, the doctors, the civil servants in the Department for Health should be running those services. That’s wholesale different from clinical services.”

Pressed again on the book specifically mentioning hospitals, he added: “Well it certainly wasn’t anything I wrote, and it’s certainly nothing I advocate.”

The last line is particularly pertinent. This is all forgetting, ofcourse, that the pamphlet is nearly ten years old.

CtevenSrowder

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

No, I'm saying that the tory party are not ideologically opposed to the NHS, and as such the claim is bogus. I'm aware the NHS is widely supported, and rightly so.

They would never get away with tampering with the universality of the NHS its widley supported by all classes.

MakingMovies2

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

It may be, the claim of 40 hospitals or whatever is more than likely rubbish aswell. Still though, hardly the promises of a party that "ideologically opposes" the NHS, which was the claim made.

The NHS is too humanitarian for the fat spaffer Johnson to understand. It doesn't make money so it has no use in his cold dead porcine eyes. I dread the day his next spawn emerges from the womb.

CtevenSrowder

mariaalice wrote: »

They would never get away with tampering with the universality of the NHS its widley supported by all classes.

Yes, including the Conservatives themselves. I don't disagree that the NHS is widely supported.

CtevenSrowder

MakingMovies2 wrote: »

The NHS is too humanitarian for the fat spaffer Johnson to understand. It doesn't make money so it has no use in his cold dead porcine eyes. I dread the day his next spawn emerges from the womb.

That's nice. I'll never understand those who have such utter hatred for relatively run of the mill politicians. It's bizarre. You already hate his yet to be born child.

MakingMovies2

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

That's nice. I'll never understand those who have such utter hatred for relatively run of the mill politicians. It's bizarre. You already hate his yet to be born child.

Fat spaffer Johnson isn't even human in my eyes between brex****, austerity and covid 19 think of the thousands of lives crushed by his fatty hands.

CtevenSrowder

MakingMovies2 wrote: »

Fat spaffer Johnson isn't even human in my eyes between brex****, austerity and covid 19 think of the thousands of lives crushed by his fatty hands.

Ah yes. Because dehumanising people is always a good idea, has never led to any problems...

MakingMovies2

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

Ah yes. Because dehumanising people is always a good idea, has never led to any problems...

Again he's not a man. He's one of the pigs from animal farm. Stuffing his fat ugly blonde face at the trough. Growing fatter and fatter as the people wither and die. We all know what happens to pigs when the time comes though

Odhinn

Threads a hell of a distance from "Proud of Ireland" it has to be said.

CtevenSrowder

Odhinn wrote: »

Threads a hell of a distance from "Proud of Ireland" it has to be said.

It is when a poster is dehumanising the PM of our closest neighbours, declaring him "not a man" but a pig. Not forgetting dreading the day his "spawn" enters the World. A sentiment you seem to agree with.

Not exactly a lot to be proud of in that is there!

Odhinn

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

It is when a poster is dehumanising the PM of our closest neighbours, declaring him "not a man" but a pig. Not forgetting dreading the day his "spawn" enters the World. A sentiment you seem to agree with.

Not exactly a lot to be proud of in that is there!

I make no predictions as to his "spawn". "pig" is rather too simplistic an insult to the father, though.

MakingMovies2

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

It is when a poster is dehumanising the PM of our closest neighbours, declaring him "not a man" but a pig. Not forgetting dreading the day his "spawn" enters the World. A sentiment you seem to agree with.

Not exactly a lot to be proud of in that is there!

I'm proud to take a stand against that fat Nazi. If only more people had the balls to

CtevenSrowder

Odhinn wrote: »

I make no predictions as to his "spawn". "pig" is rather too simplistic an insult to the father, though.

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