Parking in a bus stop

Marcusm

Kevin Irving wrote: »

No discussion is needed per se, but if you were to pick up your car for a mechanic and got a big bill, wouldn't you think it to be a professional courtesy for the mechanic to explain why. Or should he just hand you the bill and refuse to discuss?

Maybe the OP's car had broken down, maybe they were sick, maybe it was 2am with no busses running. All maybe's I know, but the Gard didn't bother to even ask.

We could just police the entire country via AI and algorithms if we don't see the point in a relatable police force.



Something can be understandable behaviour but also unprofessional at the same time, what's so odd about that? People getting angry at work would be an example.

They won't win if they treat ordinary members of the public with as much disdain as they have the OP. If you're going to be handing out fines, then have the decency to say why and for how much.

One is providing a service while the other is enforcing the law. Can you see the difference? There was an interaction and it was sufficient to alert the driver to his offence. There hardly needs to be any further discussion. I find it odd that the driver did not simply repark the car in a lawful place.

It would be lovely if we had sufficient policing resources for them to engage in a spirited or lively debate. Personally I would like to see more enforcement. Red light cameras, bus lane cameras, ANPR cameras on passing Garda cars which issue fines without further interaction.

Since moving back from the U.K. I can see that the minuscule likelihood of being challenged or getting a fine means that some people contravene traffic rules on an hourly basis. While in the U.K. I thought the use of camera based fines excessive but frankly I would rather see that excessive rather than the self-centred approach which I encounter on a daily basis.

donvito99

Kevin Irving wrote: »

No discussion is needed per se, but if you were to pick up your car for a mechanic and got a big bill, wouldn't you think it to be a professional courtesy for the mechanic to explain why. Or should he just hand you the bill and refuse to discuss?

What possible additional explanation did you actually expect the Guard to provide?

Park illegally and get caught by Guard = you will likely receive a fine.

It's that simple.

kirving

Effects wrote: »

If I knew a service cost €150 before I dropped my car into the mechanic, and then when I picked the car up from the mechanic he handed me a bill for €150, I wouldn't bother trying to debate it or haggle him down.

Nor would I, which is why I said "big bill". The OP was left without a lot of info, which IMO is bad practice.

Marcusm wrote: »

One is providing a service while the other is enforcing the law. Can you see the difference? There was an interaction and it was sufficient to alert the driver to his offence. There hardly needs to be any further discussion. I find it odd that the driver did not simply repark the car in a lawful place.

It would be lovely if we had sufficient policing resources for them to engage in a spirited or lively debate. Personally I would like to see more enforcement. Red light cameras, bus lane cameras, ANPR cameras on passing Garda cars which issue fines without further interaction.

There isn't a difference in how the public should be treated by either. IMO it was insufficient as the OP doesn't know whether they'll get a fine, points for dangerous parking (arguable in some cases) or a summons for something or other.

There could be a good reason why the OP was parked there, but the Gard had no interest whatsoever. As much as people online think every law should be strict liability, I think a good dose of discretion actually builds better communities and mutual respect for the Gards.

By that, I mean we should throw out fines like confetti for red light breaking. But the guy who crawls through a red at 4am, on the way to hospital with his wife in labour, isn't exactly deserving of a fine.

I'm totally with you on the enforcement, there's basically none for the most irritating things like terrible parking and bus lane usage in Dublin rushour.

donvito99 wrote: »

What possible additional explanation did you actually expect the Guard to provide?

Park illegally and get caught by Guard = you will likely receive a fine.

It's that simple.

Believe it or not, I did manage to work that out. That isn't my contention anyway.

If it's so simple, why doe the OP have a question as to what comes next? Can you tell me, with 100% certainly, what fine the OP will get? Could be a range of things.

donvito99

Kevin Irving wrote: »

There isn't a difference in how the public should be treated by either.

One person broke the law and the other brought a car to be fixed and you are suggesting they ought to be treated the same.

Andrewf20

I agree with Kevin on this one. If anything its a bit of common courtesy to let the person know.

I was in Rathmines a few months ago and a BMW was parked on the path. Looked like some tosser had parked up there due to a lack of on street parking. 2 guards came along and looked like they were about to book it. Thankfully I noticed people help the owner push it onto the path 10 minutes earlier as it had konked out at the lights and was blocking the main street. I told the guards this and they seemed happy with the explanation. The owner may have lived closed by and had to race off for a few mins.

Marcusm

Kevin Irving wrote: »

Nor would I, which is why I said "big bill". The OP was left without a lot of info, which IMO is bad practice.



There isn't a difference in how the public should be treated by either. IMO it was insufficient as the OP doesn't know whether they'll get a fine, points for dangerous parking (arguable in some cases) or a summons for something or other.

There could be a good reason why the OP was parked there, but the Gard had no interest whatsoever. As much as people online think every law should be strict liability, I think a good dose of discretion actually builds better communities and mutual respect for the Gards.

By that, I mean we should throw out fines like confetti for red light breaking. But the guy who crawls through a red at 4am, on the way to hospital with his wife in labour, isn't exactly deserving of a fine.

I'm totally with you on the enforcement, there's basically none for the most irritating things like terrible parking and bus lane usage in Dublin rushour.



Believe it or not, I did manage to work that out. That isn't my contention anyway.

If it's so simple, why doe the OP have a question as to what comes next? Can you tell me, with 100% certainly, what fine the OP will get? Could be a range of things.

For all you or the OP knows, the guard may indeed intend to check the vehicle record to establish whether to exercise discretion although that is a component of the action to take. A parking offence is a strict liability offence, it does not require intent but merely the commission of the act. The OP not alone admitted the unlawful parking but made an unprompted admission that he had parked so carelessly as you admit he was unaware that it was a bus stop.

We Irish seem to have a genetic need to flout the law backed up by an absolute absence of any reasonable enforcement even in built up areas.

It‘a probably appropriate that the OP has squeaky bum time while he waits to see if there is a ticket. There are no penalty points so it’s a minor enough matter. He will likely think before parking there again; can the same be said for the many others who simply get away.

As a case in point, Mick Wallace could not even recall being the recipient of Garda discretion in the infamous driving & mobile phone incident. I suspect the same is true of many who are told to move on rather than receiving a ticket.

I can certainly remember the tickets I have received and it informs my driving behaviour.

Marcusm

Andrewf20 wrote: »

I agree with Kevin on this one. If anything its a bit of common courtesy to let the person know.

I was in Rathmines a few months ago and a BMW was parked on the path. Looked like some tosser had parked up there due to a lack of on street parking. 2 guards came along and looked like they were about to book it. Thankfully I noticed people help the owner push it onto the path 10 minutes earlier as it had konked out at the lights and was blocking the main street. I told the guards this and they seemed happy with the explanation. The owner may have lived closed by and had to race off for a few mins.

It would probably have involved less effort to push it to a safe place on the road than to push it up on to the pavement where it has no place.

ohnonotgmail

Kevin Irving wrote: »

Strawman alert.

The criticism is very clearly about how the Gard doesn't even have the professional courtesy to discuss the matter, and is only interested in issuing the fine.

All too often people post on boards.ie after dealing with the Gardai, having absolutely no idea where they stand due to intentional poor communication on the Gards part.

I understand it - they don't want to get into an argument about it. Nevertheless, it's completely unprofessional and contributes to negative opinions people may have of the Gardai. If I treated people like that in work I'd be sacked in a week.

what is there to discuss? they were parked in a bus stop.

bucketybuck

Kevin Irving wrote: »

No discussion is needed per se, but if you were to pick up your car for a mechanic and got a big bill, wouldn't you think it to be a professional courtesy for the mechanic to explain why. Or should he just hand you the bill and refuse to discuss?

Maybe the OP's car had broken down, maybe they were sick, maybe it was 2am with no busses running. All maybe's I know, but the Gard didn't bother to even ask.

That is a ridiculous comparison quite frankly and barely deserves a reply. A mechanic trying to get paid has sweet **** all to do with a guard quite rightly taking action over a clear and obvious traffic violation. Its not even in the same ballpark.

Maybe the OP's car was a cleverly disguised minibus? Maybe the OP was secret service searching for corona virus's's'? Or maybe he was a guy happily sitting in his car at a bus stop because god forbid he spend any time looking for a parking space. I am quite confident that it was clear to the guard which scenario was most likely here.

anewme

shovel wrote: »

Hi all.
It turns out I was parked on a bus stop last night (I didn't realize).

How did you not realise it was a bus stop?

BorneTobyWilde

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

And this here is the problem. We have cities full of dickheads "stopped" all over the place oblivious or not giving a **** about any hassle they are causing to anyone else.

I don't mean some dickhead sitting in a bus stop waiting for someone who has gone shopping, or into shop.

I'm just talking about pulling in, to take a call, or take a drink. I have no time for dickheads who sit in loading bays and bus stops. I deal with it too often, dickheads who are in a loading bay in their big seven seater jeep, pointing at there commercial tax disc as a justification for taking up a loading bay as they sitting there reading their newspaper.

Dickheads like that I want to drag out of their vehicle

Andrewf20

Marcusm wrote: »

It would probably have involved less effort to push it to a safe place on the road than to push it up on to the pavement where it has no place.

There was no space along that stretch of road and with no power steering or servo assist brakes it was probably best to get it parked up off the road as soon as possible. Thankfully the path was wide enough for buggys to get passed.

Marcusm

Andrewf20 wrote: »

There was no space along that stretch of road and with no power steering or servo assist brakes it was probably best to get it parked up off the road as soon as possible. Thankfully the path was wide enough for buggys to get passed.

It’s still no excuse for it to be parked on the path and the fact that the owner had abandoned the car necessitating that a passerby had to explain the situation merely demonstrates that he was not effectively trying to remove it. In a built up part of Dublin, a tow truck could have been secured by phone in 15-20 minutes (trust me, I’ve had to do it). A footpath is for feet not for cars and if it blocked the passage of traffic so be it. And I speak as a resident of Rathmines who drives more than he walks and who could easily have been put out by the traffic than the blocked pavement. It’s the assumption of drivers that they can dump on the pavement that astounds me. I have seen people justify blocking the pavement such that pedestrians are forced into the road. No no no. It just takes the pressure off the motorist to sort the problem. Sure it can stay there a few hours etc etc.

shovel

OP here.
Thanks for all the replies.
I have only ever got one parking ticket before now.It was in 1997.The ticket was left under the wiper.
Since then,my only interaction with the guards on the roads were tax and insurance roadblock checks.
I parked on a unfamiliar street.it was dark and raining.there were cars parked in a row and i parked at the end of the row.
He sounded very unfriendly as he said "your parked in a bus stop".

The reason i asked the question was,that i had or have no idea what was actually happening last night when the guard stepped out of the garda car and said what he said.
I mean what the process was.
Was it a warning?
Was i to get a ticket?
Was i to wait in the car until he came back to me with a ticket?
Was he going to check my details.?
Why was he pointing a phone at me?
Am i in more trouble because i drove away when my son came back and he was still in the garda car?
Thats why i asked the question.
As i said,not a clue.

shovel

OP here.
Thanks for all the replies.
I have only ever got one parking ticket before now.It was in 1997.The ticket was left under the wiper.
Since then,my only interaction with the guards on the roads were tax and insurance roadblock checks.
I parked on a unfamiliar street.it was dark and raining.there were cars parked in a row and i parked at the end of the row.
He sounded very unfriendly as he said "your parked in a bus stop".

The reason i asked the question was,that i had or have no idea what was actually happening last night when the guard stepped out of the garda car and said what he said.
I mean what the process was.
Was it a warning?
Was i to get a ticket?
Was i to wait in the car until he came back to me with a ticket?
Was he going to check my details.?
Why was he pointing a phone at me?
Am i in more trouble because i drove away when my son came back and he was still in the garda car?
Thats why i asked the question.
As i said,not a clue.

Marcusm

shovel wrote: »

OP here.
Thanks for all the replies.
I have only ever got one parking ticket before now.It was in 1997.The ticket was left under the wiper.
Since then,my only interaction with the guards on the roads were tax and insurance roadblock checks.
I parked on a unfamiliar street.it was dark and raining.there were cars parked in a row and i parked at the end of the row.
He sounded very unfriendly as he said "your parked in a bus stop".

The reason i asked the question was,that i had or have no idea what was actually happening last night when the guard stepped out of the garda car and said what he said.
I mean what the process was.
Was it a warning?
Was i to get a ticket?
Was i to wait in the car until he came back to me with a ticket?
Was he going to check my details.?
Why was he pointing a phone at me?
Am i in more trouble because i drove away when my son came back and he was still in the garda car?
Thats why i asked the question.
As i said,not a clue.

Perhaps the person to ask was the Garda....at the time. I had assumed from your original post that he took your phot after interacting with you and then he left. If he took the photo and returned to your car and there was confusion on your part, why would you not clarify it before you drove away? That action might have been viewed positively by the Garda, ie you got out of the bus stop, or negatively, you drove off while he was checking your details. We can’t help you with that; it would be uninformed speculation.

Perhaps his desire was to create this uncertainty in your mind to encourage you to take additional care in choosing future parking spaces. We shall never know.

kirving

Marcusm wrote: »

For all you or the OP knows, the guard may indeed intend to check the vehicle record to establish whether to exercise discretion although that is a component of the action to take. A parking offence is a strict liability offence, it does not require intent but merely the commission of the act. The OP not alone admitted the unlawful parking but made an unprompted admission that he had parked so carelessly as you admit he was unaware that it was a bus stop.

I am not debating that the OP was in the wrong.

All I'm saying is the Gard could very easily have asked why the OP was parked there. Be it broken down, or having a heart attack, the Gard couldn't care less.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

what is there to discuss? they were parked in a bus stop.

Yeah, we get that. The "Why?" (as above) is important in my view. My contention is that the Gard could have explained the process, but he didn't bother. I know he isn't required to be courteous, but in that case they can't very well expect respect in return.

bucketybuck wrote: »

That is a ridiculous comparison quite frankly and barely deserves a reply. A mechanic trying to get paid has sweet **** all to do with a guard quite rightly taking action over a clear and obvious traffic violation. Its not even in the same ballpark.

Maybe the OP's car was a cleverly disguised minibus? Maybe the OP was secret service searching for corona virus's's'? Or maybe he was a guy happily sitting in his car at a bus stop because god forbid he spend any time looking for a parking space. I am quite confident that it was clear to the guard which scenario was most likely here.

There are strong similarities in both.
1. A law was broken, the car owner is liable to pay.
2.The work is done, the car owner is liable to pay.

He doesn't just walk away and fire off a bill in the post as the Gard does.

Do you think it's important for people who engage with the public, in a professional capacity, to be up front and clear in their communication.

Marcusm

Kevin Irving wrote: »

I am not debating that the OP was in the wrong.

All I'm saying is the Gard could very easily have asked why the OP was parked there. Be it broken down, or having a heart attack, the Gard couldn't care less.

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Did you read the OP’s posts? The guard got out of the car on a wet night and informed an illegally parked driver that they were illegally parked. That was the OP’s opportunity to advance any lawful excuse they might have. It seems they neither had one nor attempted to excuse their behaviour. I’m confused as to what further action was needed at that time other than for the OP to apologise and leave provided permitted to do so (irrespective of whether the child was still in the chipper).

I can’t imagine the guard particularly wanted to leave the warm dry car on a wet (undoubtedly cold) night. Trust me, I am no apologist for the guards but generally I find them indolent and unwilling to engage in situations like this. Hence why I commend that guard for doing so. Likewise, having some appreciation for the discouraging effects of minor anxiety, I think it entirely appropriate that the OP is now on tenterhooks.

On this, you and I are irreconcilable.

Still waters

Marcusm wrote: »

The person who parked in a bus stop without realising it is hardly worth dealing with on that basis, however. Either they have done so deliberately and will only react to a fine appropriately collected or they did not take sufficient care to see where they are.

Attached is a photo I took this morning at 7.05am. This is what I encounter on a daily basis. It is a 4 way junction and one of them is a one way street (with a van exiting the wrong way). The artic is not exiting the junction, it is parked across a disabled bay and right out into the street.

I cannot get the local gardai to deal with this in any sensible way.

This is why I applaud any Garda willing to make the effort to issue a fine!

Them bastards delivering their goods for you to buy, you realise how hard it is for drivers to get spaces to park not alone 60 feet of unit and trailer, the other 2 vehicles are also delivering goods, think of that the next time you're in a shop nearby

Seth Brundle

Still waters wrote: »

Them bastards delivering their goods for you to buy, you realise how hard it is for drivers to get spaces to park not alone 60 feet of unit and trailer, the other 2 vehicles are also delivering goods, think of that the next time you're in a shop nearby

Troll alert :rolleyes:

Marcusm

Still waters wrote: »

Them bastards delivering their goods for you to buy, you realise how hard it is for drivers to get spaces to park not alone 60 feet of unit and trailer, the other 2 vehicles are also delivering goods, think of that the next time you're in a shop nearby

Thanks v much. I guess I am too silly to realise that they can’t magically get there. It’s such a pity likewise that a vehicle can not be used which fits in the street or that arrangements can’t be made to try and ensure that 6 of them don’t try to deliver at the same time or that the shopkeeper couldn’t realise the value of storage space or organisation...

If you can’t deliver it lawfully then don’t deliver it! Don’t pile on in circumstances where clearly it is already overcrowded!

Del2005

Marcusm wrote: »

Did you read the OP’s posts? The guard got out of the car on a wet night and informed an illegally parked driver that they were illegally parked. That was the OP’s opportunity to advance any lawful excuse they might have. It seems they neither had one nor attempted to excuse their behaviour. I’m confused as to what further action was needed at that time other than for the OP to apologise and leave provided permitted to do so (irrespective of whether the child was still in the chipper).

I can’t imagine the guard particularly wanted to leave the warm dry car on a wet (undoubtedly cold) night. Trust me, I am no apologist for the guards but generally I find them indolent and unwilling to engage in situations like this. Hence why I commend that guard for doing so. Likewise, having some appreciation for the discouraging effects of minor anxiety, I think it entirely appropriate that the OP is now on tenterhooks.

On this, you and I are irreconcilable.

The Garda could have said that you will be getting a fine for parking there instead of leaving the OP with no idea if they will be fined or not. Interact with the police in the UK, USA, Oz, NZ etc and they introduce themselves and explain what offence you committed along with the punishment, the Gardai don't introduce themselves or tell you what will happen. Do you think that Ireland is the only country with people who give the police abuse when they are stopped? That's the difference between a professional police force and our police.

The Gardai's job is to get out of their car and deal with people committing offences regardless of the weather. Maybe if more got out of their cars we wouldn't have the near complete lack of observation of our traffic laws.

Go to the USA and you won't see many drivers run a stop sign or speed in a school zone because they actively enforce it, but you'll see a lot of DUI because their law on DUI is a joke. Come to Ireland and DUI is relatively rare because they enforce it but every other traffic offence is common as there's no enforcement.

Still waters

Marcusm wrote: »

Thanks v much. I guess I am too silly to realise that they can’t magically get there. It’s such a pity likewise that a vehicle can not be used which fits in the street or that arrangements can’t be made to try and ensure that 6 of them don’t try to deliver at the same time or that the shopkeeper couldn’t realise the value of storage space or organisation...

If you can’t deliver it lawfully then don’t deliver it! Don’t pile on in circumstances where clearly it is already overcrowded!

I understand what you're saying, it would be logistically impossible to appoint different loads at different times in towns and cities, it doesn't work like that, to use a small vehicle to replace trucks would add even more congestion, think 15 to 20 extra panel vans to carry a load that fits into the artic, i wouldn't blame the companies or drivers, its bad planning from the start, and that's no ones fault but councils and the planning authority

I think the reason the local guards won't deal with is because they know deliveries have to be made, drivers have to park somewhere to offload, the guards have better things to do but harass people trying to go about a days work

Seth Brundle

Del2005 wrote: »

The Garda could have said that you will be getting a fine for parking there instead of leaving the OP with no idea if they will be fined or not.

True - he could have but he didn't need to.
Also, as I previously mentioned, the garda may not have wanted to box himself down to one particular offence if another more serious one came to light when he reviewed the camera footage.

Del2005 wrote: »

Interact with the police in the UK, USA, Oz, NZ etc and they introduce themselves and explain what offence you committed along with the punishment, the Gardai don't introduce themselves or tell you what will happen. Do you think that Ireland is the only country with people who give the police abuse when they are stopped? That's the difference between a professional police force and our police.

Whilst I admit there are problems with our force, if you think those forces are better then off you go. Don't forget all the bad things that those forces have done too!

Del2005 wrote: »

The Gardai's job is to get out of their car and deal with people committing offences regardless of the weather. Maybe if more got out of their cars we wouldn't have the near complete lack of observation of our traffic laws.

The garda's job is to enforce the law not to make people feel a little bit happier about getting caught.
Also, take some personal responsibility. Our traffic laws are flouted because people know they will probably get away with it (minly due to a shortage in numbers) not because the gardai don't like getting out of their cars :rolleyes:

Del2005 wrote: »

Go to the USA and you won't see many drivers run a stop sign or speed in a school zone because they actively enforce it, but you'll see a lot of DUI because their law on DUI is a joke. Come to Ireland and DUI is relatively rare because they enforce it but every other traffic offence is common as there's no enforcement.

I agree but the primary responsibility is with the driver.
We need more gardai but this will cost more and we as a nation would prefer crappy tax cuts in our annual budgets.

Andrewf20

Marcusm wrote: »

It’s still no excuse for it to be parked on the path and the fact that the owner had abandoned the car necessitating that a passerby had to explain the situation merely demonstrates that he was not effectively trying to remove it. In a built up part of Dublin, a tow truck could have been secured by phone in 15-20 minutes (trust me, I’ve had to do it). A footpath is for feet not for cars and if it blocked the passage of traffic so be it. And I speak as a resident of Rathmines who drives more than he walks and who could easily have been put out by the traffic than the blocked pavement. It’s the assumption of drivers that they can dump on the pavement that astounds me. I have seen people justify blocking the pavement such that pedestrians are forced into the road. No no no. It just takes the pressure off the motorist to sort the problem. Sure it can stay there a few hours etc etc.

But what im saying is that it didnt pose any issue with people passing on the path due to the paths width. With no power steering or power brakes, you can imagine a situation whereby a person walks out off the path in front of a rolling 1.5 ton car and gets hit due to an impaired ability to control the vehicle. Where would you then stand? How do you judge these probabilities in the heat of the moment?

Ive had situations in the past whereby my car had to be abandoned in heavy traffic. The stress of a breakdown has you thinking at 1000mph especially with irate people stuck behind you. As humans you dont get into the mode of analyzing the situation with a clear head like we have here.

If the car was stuck on the road in rathmines for 15 - 20mins (at least), it would have caused unmerciful tail backs. Ive had tow trucks called before and times can vary hugely usually from 30mins to up to 2hrs.

ohnonotgmail

Del2005 wrote: »

The Garda could have said that you will be getting a fine for parking there instead of leaving the OP with no idea if they will be fined or not. Interact with the police in the UK, USA, Oz, NZ etc and they introduce themselves and explain what offence you committed along with the punishment, the Gardai don't introduce themselves or tell you what will happen. Do you think that Ireland is the only country with people who give the police abuse when they are stopped? That's the difference between a professional police force and our police.

The Gardai's job is to get out of their car and deal with people committing offences regardless of the weather. Maybe if more got out of their cars we wouldn't have the near complete lack of observation of our traffic laws.

Go to the USA and you won't see many drivers run a stop sign or speed in a school zone because they actively enforce it, but you'll see a lot of DUI because their law on DUI is a joke. Come to Ireland and DUI is relatively rare because they enforce it but every other traffic offence is common as there's no enforcement.

Seth Brundle wrote: »

True - he could have but he didn't need to.
Also, as I previously mentioned, the garda may not have wanted to box himself down to one particular offence if another more serious one came to light when he reviewed the camera footage.

Whilst I admit there are problems with our force, if you think those forces are better then off you go. Don't forget all the bad things that those forces have done too!


The garda's job is to enforce the law not to make people feel a little bit happier about getting caught.
Also, take some personal responsibility. Our traffic laws are flouted because people know they will probably get away with it (minly due to a shortage in numbers) not because the gardai don't like getting out of their cars :rolleyes:

I agree but the primary responsibility is with the driver.
We need more gardai but this will cost more and we as a nation would prefer crappy tax cuts in our annual budgets.

Imagine the uproar if the guards enforced traffic laws in the same way they do in the US and australia? Joe Duffy would have to work overtime.

tjhook

I'd see this as one of those "cut and dry" laws, a bit like speeding. If you get caught speeding by a static camera, or a hairdryer, the ticket just arrives, There's no need for any personal interaction or negotiation.

It could be the same with parking in a disallowed place. In theory, we could police the parking laws with static cameras too. There's not much difference between that and the Guard acting like a static camera.

elperello

tjhook wrote: »

I'd see this as one of those "cut and dry" laws, a bit like speeding. If you get caught speeding by a static camera, or a hairdryer, the ticket just arrives, There's no need for any personal interaction or negotiation.

It could be the same with parking in a disallowed place. In theory, we could police the parking laws with static cameras too. There's not much difference between that and the Guard acting like a static camera.

I agree that there may be no need for personal interaction, ie. ticket arrives and you pay it..
However I take the OPs point about how AGS deal with public.
Technology aside all interactions should be courteous and businesslike.

Del2005

tjhook wrote: »

I'd see this as one of those "cut and dry" laws, a bit like speeding. If you get caught speeding by a static camera, or a hairdryer, the ticket just arrives, There's no need for any personal interaction or negotiation.

It could be the same with parking in a disallowed place. In theory, we could police the parking laws with static cameras too. There's not much difference between that and the Guard acting like a static camera.

The Garda had already communicated with the OP, what's the harm in saying you'll be getting a ticket in the post?

shovel

OP here again
Thanks again for all replies.
Again,I have no issue with the fine.
Just would like to know what the process is after parking illegally.
Thanks to all who tried to explain it.