Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) *Read warnings in OP*

Akrasia

harr wrote: »

Currently it seems they won’t test anyone who hasn’t been in direct contact with someone who has it or if they haven’t been traveling to a red zone
. The mind boggles as to how people are meant to know for certain if they haven’t been in direct contact with someone who has it.

It’s easy, just check the list that the HSE releases every day with the locations and contact points of confirmed cases..... oh wait. That list doesn’t exist.

Akrasia

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Don't ring A&E if anyone suspects covid, your to ring your GP who will make contact with public health / national ambulance service if you are to be tested

My gp is closed Sundays and Mondays. It’ll be grand tho

amadangomor

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Don't ring A&E if anyone suspects covid, your to ring your GP who will make contact with public health / national ambulance service if you are to be tested

Excuse me, it is the advice for anyone if you don't have a GP. Stop peddling false advice

MadYaker

harr wrote: »

Currently it seems they won’t test anyone who hasn’t been in direct contact with someone who has it or if they haven’t been traveling to a red zone
. The mind boggles as to how people are meant to know for certain if they haven’t been in direct contact with someone who has it.

They don’t have the resources to test everyone with symptoms so they have to focus on people who have had contact with a known case or have been to a heavily infected area.

stephenjmcd

amadangomor wrote: »

Excuse me, it is the advice for anyone if you don't have a GP. Stop peddling false advice

No it's not, it's the last resort. On call docs, hse hotline etc all first before you ring the hospital, even at that the official HSE advise is to contact 999/112 who arrange a response from the national ambulance service if required. They're busy enough without having everyone ringing telling them they think they have it.

screamer

stephenjmcd wrote: »

No it's not, it's the last resort. On call docs, hse hotline etc all first before you ring the hospital. They're busy enough without having everyone ringing telling them they think they have it.

GPS were on the radio asking people to stop calling them too. So if we don’t even have resources to answer phone calls, we’re not looking in good shape are we?

stephenjmcd

screamer wrote: »

GPS were on the radio asking people to stop calling them too. So if we don’t even have resources to answer phone calls, we’re not looking in good shape are we?

Yup I agree, system can't handle high volumes at the best of times.

sjb25

Akrasia wrote: »

My gp is closed Sundays and Mondays. It’ll be grand tho

Call public health 1850 241 850 DO NOT self present to ED departments if you are to be tested public health will send NAS to home test

Then you will be assessed and tested if there is a need to transfer to ED you will be if not you will remain at home

caveat emptor

MadYaker wrote: »

The HSE only have a certain testing capacity so they have to prioritise people who they are certain have been in contact. They can’t test everyone who thinks they have it.

So we have 21 cases in country and our testing capacity is exhausted such that we can't follow WHO guidelines during community transmission.

We are largest Pharma exporter in Europe. Surely someone can make more tests.

Ireland is now the largest net exporter of pharmaceuticals in the EU accounting for over 50% of all exports from the country.

https://www.ipha.ie/About-the-Industry/Contribution-to-the-Irish-Economy

7TH LARGEST EXPORTER

of medicinal and pharmaceutical products in the world in 2014

https://www.idaireland.com/doing-business-here/industry-sectors/bio-pharmaceuticals

sjb25

amadangomor wrote: »

Excuse me, it is the advice for anyone if you don't have a GP. Stop peddling false advice

Call public health 1850 241 850 DO NOT self present to ED departments if you are to be tested public health will send NAS to home test

Not false advise.....

caveat emptor

stephenjmcd wrote: »

No it's not, it's the last resort. On call docs, hse hotline etc all first before you ring the hospital, even at that the official HSE advise is to contact 999/112 who arrange a response from the national ambulance service if required. They're busy enough without having everyone ringing telling them they think they have it.

So if you have flu like symptoms.

• Don't ring a GP
• Don't go to A and E
• You won't get tested cause you don't meet criteria.
• Even if you did get tested, takes 3 days for results.
• If test does come back positives all beds will be taken.

Wonder how the numbers are so low?. It's a real mystery

This is not going to go well. It's an epidemic in all but name. Normal health care number control doesn't work. Exasperates the problem.

amadangomor

caveat emptor wrote: »

So we have 21 cases in country and our testing capacity is exhausted such that we can't follow WHO guidelines during community transmission.

We are largest Pharma exporter in Europe. Surely someone can make more tests.

Ireland is now the largest net exporter of pharmaceuticals in the EU accounting for over 50% of all exports from the country.

https://www.ipha.ie/About-the-Industry/Contribution-to-the-Irish-Economy

7TH LARGEST EXPORTER

of medicinal and pharmaceutical products in the world in 2014

https://www.idaireland.com/doing-business-here/industry-sectors/bio-pharmaceuticals

Don't get your point about being an exporter. Fat lot of good if we don't manufacture the specific test kits here.

lafors

harr wrote: »

Currently it seems they won’t test anyone who hasn’t been in direct contact with someone who has it or if they haven’t been traveling to a red zone
. The mind boggles as to how people are meant to know for certain if they haven’t been in direct contact with someone who has it.

amadangomor wrote: »

I would be definitely keeping them out of school and the combination of temperature and cough I would definitely ring your Doctor/local A and E

I'm doing that alright. It's more do I keep them out when they recover? Do I and my wife go to work, I took the day off today.

stephenjmcd wrote: »

It's perfectly possible to have head colds, flu's etc still at this time of year.

For example 4 of us in my house, 2 have had a bad dose for the last week and 2 of us are fine.

Best advice is to do the usual when your have a flu or head cold, stay at home and rest

See the one with the croupy cough gets this every year at pretty much the same time. I'd not even think anything unusual about it. It's the other one who never gets sick that has me paranoid. I think you're right though, they'll stay at home until better but it's more us going to work.

MadYaker wrote: »

The HSE only have a certain testing capacity so they have to prioritise people who they are certain have been in contact. They can’t test everyone who thinks they have it.

I wonder is the capacity issue the availability/stockpile of tests or the capacity of the testing facility?

Bob24

Ouch ... I just opened the yahoo finance app and saw the FTSE 100 drop from -1 to -5% in less than a minute.

amadangomor

sjb25 wrote: »

Call public health 1850 241 850 DO NOT self present to ED departments if you are to be tested public health will send NAS to home test

Not false advise.....

I didn't say present at A and E. I've read that you should ring A & E if you don't have a GP. Maybe that is old news and Public health is the people to call now.

Akrasia

MadYaker wrote: »

They don’t have the resources to test everyone with symptoms so they have to focus on people who have had contact with a known case or have been to a heavily infected area.

How do you know if you’ve had contact with a known case? Are you relying on them remembering that they had contact with you?

My daughter is sick with a cough and fever. She was at an event with loads of other kids 2 weeks ago. We are in Clare and those kids were from the affected area (but not confirmed cases as far as I know)

sjb25

amadangomor wrote: »

I didn't say present at A and E. I've read that you should ring A & E if you don't have a GP. Maybe that is old news and Public health is the people to call now.

A/e will tell you to call public health but by all means call them

SheepInFields

Someone in our office flew off to Italy for the weekend against all "non-essential" travel advice and in complete disregard for their colleagues' health.

Now over the weekend we find out that any staff returning from Italy will be told to stay at home for 14 days. We dont have remote working access.

This absolute ****ing idiot now gets 2 weeks off work and their colleagues workload increases substantially (its a small team) because they were a selfish idiot.

I'm fuming.

DOCARCH

SheepInFields wrote: »

Someone in our office flew off to Italy for the weekend against all "non-essential" travel advice and in complete disregard for their colleagues' health.

Now over the weekend we find out that any staff returning from Italy will be told to stay at home for 14 days. We dont have remote working access.

This absolute ****ing idiot now gets 2 weeks off work and their colleagues workload increases substantially (its a small team) because they were a selfish idiot.

I'm fuming.

Sounds like a bit of a k**b!

Del007

SheepInFields wrote: »

Someone in our office flew off to Italy for the weekend against all "non-essential" travel advice and in complete disregard for their colleagues' health.

Now over the weekend we find out that any staff returning from Italy will be told to stay at home for 14 days. We dont have remote working access.

Was this to the red zone in Italy?

pjohnson

SheepInFields wrote: »

Someone in our office flew off to Italy for the weekend against all "non-essential" travel advice and in complete disregard for their colleagues' health.

Now over the weekend we find out that any staff returning from Italy will be told to stay at home for 14 days. We dont have remote working access.

This absolute ****ing idiot now gets 2 weeks off work and their colleagues workload increases substantially (its a small team) because they were a selfish idiot.

I'm fuming.

Should be told to stay at home for good and not bother coming back.

caveat emptor

amadangomor wrote: »

Don't get your point about being an exporter. Fat lot of good if we don't manufacture the specific test kits here.

Bill gates said treat it like a war. He smarter than most of us. Other countries are already doing that. WHO says in community transmission

"Implement all-of-society resilience, repurpose government, business continuity, and community services plans"

• Germany has banned export of PPE
• so has China
• India has banned export of 28 active pharmaceutical ingredient (API) for key medicines including paracetamol.

Countries are using their resources to survive. We have the expertise / production capability to make tests in the morning if we needed to.

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/20200307-cccc-guidance-table-covid-19-final.pdf?sfvrsn=1c8ee193_10

amadangomor

caveat emptor wrote: »

Bill gates said treat it like a war. He smarter than most of us. Other countries are already doing that. WHO says in community transmission

"Implement all-of-society resilience, repurpose government, business continuity, and community services plans"

• Germany has banned export of PPE
• so has China
• India has banned export of 28 active pharmaceutical ingredient (API) for key medicines including paracetamol.

Countries are using their resources to survive. We have the expertise / production capability to make tests in the morning if we needed to.

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/20200307-cccc-guidance-table-covid-19-final.pdf?sfvrsn=1c8ee193_10

Can't see our government bringing in any scheme to make private companies make stuff for our public. Should happen but won't

caveat emptor

amadangomor wrote: »

Can't see our government bringing in any scheme to make private companies make stuff for our public. Should happen but won't

That's the thing with this disease. Every country has tried to not implement the measures necessary to fight it at a given stage. They opted to wait and see. Italy forced to implement quarantine / travel controls after it had already spread.

Get ahead of the curve.


It's a curve not a line. So requires a non-linear response.

Nonoperational

caveat emptor wrote: »

So we have 21 cases in country and our testing capacity is exhausted such that we can't follow WHO guidelines during community transmission.

We are largest Pharma exporter in Europe. Surely someone can make more tests.

Ireland is now the largest net exporter of pharmaceuticals in the EU accounting for over 50% of all exports from the country.

https://www.ipha.ie/About-the-Industry/Contribution-to-the-Irish-Economy

7TH LARGEST EXPORTER

of medicinal and pharmaceutical products in the world in 2014

https://www.idaireland.com/doing-business-here/industry-sectors/bio-pharmaceuticals

Our testing capacity isn't exhausted. I sent a number of tests over the weekend no issue.

We are testing everyone with hypoxic respiratory failure or pneumonia that presents to hospital. We are doing home testing on a contact tracing basis. Testing asymptomatic people as described earlier in the thread has marked limitations.

SwordofLight

So have schools actually been closed? I have friends mandatorily attending university today. Seems a bit irresponsible on the part of the courses

MadYaker

caveat emptor wrote: »

So we have 21 cases in country and our testing capacity is exhausted such that we can't follow WHO guidelines during community transmission.

We are largest Pharma exporter in Europe. Surely someone can make more tests.

Ireland is now the largest net exporter of pharmaceuticals in the EU accounting for over 50% of all exports from the country.

https://www.ipha.ie/About-the-Industry/Contribution-to-the-Irish-Economy

7TH LARGEST EXPORTER

of medicinal and pharmaceutical products in the world in 2014

https://www.idaireland.com/doing-business-here/industry-sectors/bio-pharmaceuticals

It must be comforting to have such a simple world view. Even if we could simply make more who would carry out the tests? Where’s the lab space? It’s just not possible. They are prioritising which is the correct thing to do.

DOCARCH

SwordofLight wrote: »

So have schools actually been closed? I have friends mandatorily attending university today. Seems a bit irresponsible on the part of the courses

No. Why would you think they are closed?

MadYaker

SwordofLight wrote: »

So have schools actually been closed? I have friends mandatorily attending university today. Seems a bit irresponsible on the part of the courses

Why would schools and universities be closed? I’ve haven’t heard any announcement like that.

caveat emptor

Nonoperational wrote: »

Our testing capacity isn't exhausted.

We are testing everyone with hypoxic respiratory failure or pneumonia that presents to hospital. We are doing home testing on a contact tracing basis. Testing asymptomatic people as described earlier in the thread has marked limitations.

Ok thanks for sharing. One issue is that testing people with pneumonia presenting at hospital while telling people not to go to hospital. Someone could rightly think they are being a good boycott by staying at home and dying / spreading down in Tescos.

Is the official advice to call ambulance in such situations?