Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) *Read warnings in OP*

Stevieluvsye

I'm awaiting the first "I have the coronavirus" thread #threadmeltdown

wakka12

Strazdas wrote: »

I didn't realise until today that Italy has the oldest population in Europe. It may well be a factor in the high case numbers and fatalities, if not the only factor.

Age is not a reason for high number of cases. Deaths ,yes.

facehugger99

wakka12 wrote: »

A Canadian man has tested positive after holidaying in Switzerland .

Sounds like the start of a joke.

megabomberman

Sigma101 wrote: »

Some remarkable disparities in the statistics regarding the age profiles of people infected with the virus are beginning to appear.

In Italy the median age of the population is 45 years. The median age of people infected with Covid-19 is 65 years.

In Germany the median age of the population is 46, but the median age of those infected is 41 years!

Does anyone have any theories on why the virus is infecting younger people in Germany and older people in Italy?

The likely answer is the Italians now and for the past couple of weeks have only been testing the serious cases which are disproportionately older, this explains the high death rates as well.

05eaftqbrs9jlh

gmisk wrote: »

It's an island which might help?

Have you not seen the title of the Lahv Lahn thread?

facehugger99 wrote: »

I'd imagine one of the biggest problems the health service will face is an influx of panic-merchants with dry coughs clogging up A&E.

Oh I'm sure anyone who is currently aware of developing events won't be going to hospital unless they're in serious distress.

Cork Boy 53

SleetAndSnow wrote: »

Well there goes that rumour:

https://twitter.com/ThomasByrneTD/status/1237394636680753154?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1237394636680753154&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thejournal.ie%2Fcoronavirus-liveblog-5040048-Mar2020%2F

We`ll see. Up to the weekend there were no plans to cancel the parades either but look how quickly that changed after the government ministers had their health briefing. Anything is possible in the current situation.

BLIZZARD7

facehugger99 wrote: »

Different geography, culture, weather, responses.

Plenty of differences.

Let's not go full chicken licken with all this sky is falling nonsense - it serves nothing other than to stoke fear and hysteria.

Responses? Hahaha what are they doing differently?

Geography? How would that impact the spread specifically?

Culture? Il give you that one, less touchy greetings vs the Mediterraneans.

Weather? Nah we (+the UK) are in the same conditions as areas that have already had massive outbreaks.

I'm saying that by not introducing preventative measure early enough we (and the UK) will cause panic and excessive spread of the virus. This is just common sense, not hysteria.

Drumpot

Strazdas wrote: »

Hold your horses, she's not calling for outdoor events to go ahead, merely talking about what science says on the subject of transmission

She also predicts a rapid spike in UK cases soon

How can you engage in social distancing at a major sports event ? I am serious, I can get on board with evidence that makes sense, but this is just completely at odds with what we are being told to do.

Going to a sporting event with thousands of people attending, all with their own different levels of hygiene and many getting hammered which makes them more vulnerable to being stupid (or even more stupid), does not seem to fit in with any of the regular warnings and suggestions we are now being told to do.

So why are football matches being played behind closed doors if its not really that unsafe ? I would say any private company looking at profits will only be too happy to use this an excuse to not take precautions. But now football matches are starting to be played behind closed doors. They dont do that if "science" proves its not really going to make a difference.

gabeeg

Eliana Uptight Caterpillar wrote: »

Have you not seen the title of the Lahv Lahn thread?


Oh I'm sure anyone who is currently aware of developing events won't be going to hospital unless they're in serious distress.

The hospitals are emptying out - down 58.72% on this day last year

http://137.191.241.85/ed/ED.php?EDDATE=10%2F3%2F2020

Strazdas

DellyBelly wrote: »

That's interesting to know. I would have thought being outside in a large crowd would just be as dangerous as bein indoor. Good to know

Yes, so according to this, you might be far more at risk in a crowded pub or concert or a meeting or church than any large outdoor event.

jam_mac_jam

Lord Trollington wrote: »

The Naas case is true. I've an extremely reliable source working in Naas hospital and it was a suspected case last night confirmed this morning .

The reliable source shouldn't have told you that and you shouldn't be posting it.

Even if it is true.

Mic 1972

BLIZZARD7 wrote: »

Responses? Hahaha what are they doing differently?

Geography? How would that impact the spread specifically?
Culture? Il give you that one, less touchy greetings vs the Mediterraneans.
Weather? Nah we (+the UK) are in the same temperature brackets as areas that have already had massive outbreaks.
I'm saying that by not introducing preventative measure early enough we (and the UK) will cause panic and excessive spread of the virus. This is just common sense, not hysteria.

I agree with you, if anything UK has damper colder weather and crawded pubs to spread the virus even more easily

05eaftqbrs9jlh

Strazdas wrote: »

Yes, so according to this, you might be far more at risk in a crowded pub or concert or a meeting or church than any large outdoor event.

This is a hill that yourself and Oliver Callan appear to be determined to die on.

RandomName2

secman wrote: »

So they have closed down and banned those live animal slaughter markets for "warm meat" ?

Yes, the market which caused this entire outbreak was shut down on January 1st, and all sale of wild animals for meat was banned a few weeks later.

Those 'wet markets' (God) are some of the most disturbing things to witness. Absolutely revolting. It is not like we didn't get warning about this before. SARS was caused in the exact same sort of environment.

Pacing Mule

https://twitter.com/ThomasByrneTD/status/1237394636680753154?s=09

Claiming no plans yet to close schools

Steve F

Strazdas wrote: »

From the practical viewpoint, the Chief Medical Officer in England today said she thinks people are far more at risk at indoor events than outdoor ones : the virus doesn't survive long outdoors and finds it difficult to transmit itself.

Same with any virus
That's why hot,stuffy buildings,homes are unhealthy.Breeding ground for bugs
Also another reason why 'flu is "seasonal".Less people crammed together breathing in the germs from Late April to September

Funkfield

facehugger99 wrote: »

Sounds like the start of a joke.

A Canadian man has tested positive after holidaying in Switzerland .

Oh really. Has he a fever?

Why yes, he's Berning up.

Strazdas

Drumpot wrote: »

How can you engage in social distancing at a major sports event ? I am serious, I can get on board with evidence that makes sense, but this is just completely at odds with what we are being told to do.

Going to a sporting event with thousands of people attending, all with their own different levels of hygiene and many getting hammered which makes them more vulnerable to being stupid (or even more stupid), does not seem to fit in with any of the regular warnings and suggestions we are now being told to do.

So why are football matches being played behind closed doors if its not really that unsafe ? I would say any private company looking at profits will only be too happy to use this an excuse to not take precautions. But now football matches are starting to be played behind closed doors. They dont do that if "science" proves its not really going to make a difference.

One of the points she made is that the virus doesn't like the open air and doesn't survive long at all whereas it can flourish indoors.

I would imagine the behind closed door matches are purely as a precaution, given the large numbers of people involved.

owlbethere

Is there any news about the care assistant in the nursing home in Washington? She returned from her holidays and went to work. She had no symptoms. Did she eventually develop symptoms?

Lord TSC

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

We`ll see. Up to the weekend there were no plans to cancel the parades either but look how quickly that changed after the government ministers had their health briefing. Anything is possible in the current situation.

If they are closing on Friday afternoon, they'll wait and announce it on Thursday evening, while letting it leak like today so people are prepared.

Even issueing a statement denying ti basically starts the narrative that there's a strong possibility of needing too. If they'd ignored it, it would have been dismissed as an online rumour. By achknowledging, even by denying, they've solidified the idea in peoples heads.

splinter65

Eliana Uptight Caterpillar wrote: »

Have you not seen the title of the Lahv Lahn thread?


Oh I'm sure anyone who is currently aware of developing events won't be going to hospital unless they're in serious distress.

You are attributing common sense and consideration for others to the entirety of the nation whereas in actual fact there is a huge swathe of the population who would trample over my 85 year old mother into the ground in their stampede to get into A&E in order to make absolutely sure that they HAVENT got Covid19.

Drumpot

Strazdas wrote: »

Yes, so according to this, you might be far more at risk in a crowded pub or concert or a meeting or church than any large outdoor event.

Have you ever been to a racecourse?

Before, during and after a race people are squashed into the pub or at the ticket desk waiting to make a bet.

Same at any sporting event I have been to, pubs are packed before and after. even at HT in Old trafford you can barely fit into the sections where you get food/drink and you have to cue for minutes to get to use the toilet.

facehugger99

Funkfield wrote: »

A Canadian man has tested positive after holidaying in Switzerland .

Oh really. Has he a fever?

Why yes, he's Berning up.

"What was the best thing about contracting the Coronavirsus in Switzerland?"


"Well, the flag was a big plus"

DrumSteve

gabeeg wrote: »

The hospitals are emptying out - down 58.72% on this day last year

http://137.191.241.85/ed/ED.php?EDDATE=10%2F3%2F2020

*Extremely Morgan Freeman Voice*

Turns out it was COVID-19 that sorted out the hospital crises.

fits

Drumpot wrote: »

Have you ever been to a racecourse?

Before, during and after a race people are squashed into the pub or at the ticket desk waiting to make a bet.

Same at any sporting event I have been to, pubs are packed before and after. even at HT in Old trafford you can barely fit into the sections where you get food/drink and you have to cue for minutes to get to use the toilet.

I've been to Cheltenham. It isnt that bad. You move around a lot. I'd be more worried on the trains and buses to get there.

daretodream

Announcement on Westmeath school closures imminent...

https://www.westmeathexaminer.ie/2020/03/10/decision-on-school-closures-imminent/

bekker

Strazdas wrote: »

Yes, so according to this, you might be far more at risk in a crowded pub or concert or a meeting or church than any large outdoor event.

Or on the public transport to and from the event.

NIMAN

DrumSteve wrote: »

Turns out it was COVID-19 that sorted out the hospital crises.

So what are we saying here?
The trolley crisis was often caused by folk who didn't really need to be sitting in A&E?;)

I haven't time to read back a lot of pages but I see the Apple plant in Cork of 6000 employees has a case.
Will be interesting to see how the numbers in there are affected now.

silverharp

fits wrote: »

I've been to Cheltenham. It isnt that bad. You move around a lot. I'd be more worried on the trains and buses to get there.

a study in china said that someone caught it 4.5m distance in a bus, in another 30 min interval on a bus. Closed spaces aren't looking good

quokula

BLIZZARD7 wrote: »

Responses? Hahaha what are they doing differently?

Geography? How would that impact the spread specifically?

Culture? Il give you that one, less touchy greetings vs the Mediterraneans.

Weather? Nah we (+the UK) are in the same conditions as areas that have already had massive outbreaks.

I'm saying that by not introducing preventative measure early enough we (and the UK) will cause panic and excessive spread of the virus. This is just common sense, not hysteria.

Ignoring the other points, the response here and in the UK has been vastly different to Italy.

Their government took the "common sense" populist approach of being the first European country to ban Chinese flights before they had an outbreak. But they didn't take the evidence-based expert led steps of doing due diligence on hygiene, contact tracing etc that we've been doing here. And they had a major outbreak before they started any of that.

Very similar to Wuhan which had an out of control outbreak for many weeks before the government started taking notice.

We're doing everything right here at the moment, which is why our numbers continue to be so low. And for every "sure Italy had as few as Ireland a month ago" comment, you could easily replace Italy with other countries who had it a month ago but who have taken proper action like we have and haven't seen it explode.