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Convective/Thunderstorm Discussion : Spring/Summer 2020

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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,922 ✭✭✭spookwoman


    Watching that one coming at wexford should be at hook or near enough in an hour


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    They're more altocumulus floccus than castellanus.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 4,466 Mod ✭✭✭✭mickger844posts


    Found this one looking through my videos of last nights action. Possible best one I shot especially with the well defined fork Lightning.

    https://youtu.be/g6FW0Y_gOyU


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,108 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Any more storms for the South Coast tonight?


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,467 ✭✭✭jimmynokia


    Wondering if it will kick off later tonight and perhaps more Dublin /Midlands action.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,121 ✭✭✭pad199207


    Flashes off Rosslare


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,922 ✭✭✭spookwoman


    Netweather registering lightning off wexford


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    Latest UKMO forecast - Friday night looks especially sweet! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8rhPZ657cs


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,114 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    Strike in Mitchelstown from a heavy shower there


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,839 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    So will we see thunderstorm development today. Some of the parameters there , models look quite good but what is very evident that is missing for Ireland is Deep Layer Shear. Still, with enough surface heating if we get a few breaks in the cloud and with all that humidity and moisture in the atmosphere we might see more activity today especially in the SW as convection matures crossing the country. Will see if some nice convergence zones develop like on the Kerry coast as the sea breeze kicks in later in the afternoon. Timing looks good for thunderstorms in Kerry later this afternoon/ night with more DLS available.

    No warnings out but if thunderstorms break out they could be put up very quickly, could get locally intense rainfall and spot flooding if the storms develop enough. Just think we might edge it here in Kerry for development this evening, will see.


    Like a steam bath here near Tralee at 21.3C , RH 89%, DP 9.4C EDIT: 22.2C now, could get up to 24C or so here today.

    Sun just starting to break through and Temperature going up.

    Skew -T charts for Killkenny and later North Kerry below.


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    Killkenny

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    North Kerry

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,839 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    So will we see thunderstorm development today. Some of the parameters there , models look quite good but what is very evident that is missing for Ireland is Deep Layer Shear. Still, with enough surface heating if we get a few breaks in the cloud and with all that humidity and moisture in the atmosphere we might see more activity today especially in the SW as convection matures crossing the country. Will see if some nice convergence zones develop like on the Kerry coast as the sea breeze kicks in later in the afternoon. Timing looks good for thunderstorms in Kerry later this afternoon/ night with more DLS available. No great cold cloud tops yet but looks like convection building.

    No warnings out but if thunderstorms break out they could be put up very quickly, could get locally intense rainfall and spot flooding if the storms develop enough. Just think we might edge it here in Kerry for development this evening, will see.


    Like a steam bath here near Tralee at 21.3C , RH 89%, DP 9.4C EDIT: 22.2C now, could get up to 24C or so here today.

    Sun just starting to break through and Temperature going up.

    Skew -T charts for Kilkenny and later North Kerry below.


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    Kilkenny

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    North Kerry

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  • Registered Users Posts: 311 ✭✭chris2007


    How is looking for the Dublin region for thunderstorms over the weekend and Monday?


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,732 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    chris2007 wrote: »
    How is looking for the Dublin region for thunderstorms over the weekend and Monday?

    chances are about slim to none. Any showers that happen will most likely be just normal rain showers.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,839 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    23.6C here near Tralee, DP 21C

    Area of convection along the Kerry Coast near Kerry head, no sparks, might be an area to get some activity later although not much of a sea breeze, well cant feel it here anyway, still have a light breeze from the SE.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    how can you spot a convection cell from a weather chart? what am i looking for?


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,839 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    froog wrote: »
    how can you spot a convection cell from a weather chart? what am i looking for?

    The photograph above is the convective cloud that I took a short time ago looking out to sea ( approx NW from here ) appears on the rain radar map above just off Kerry Head , the map below is the wind directions. otherwise can look at the Sat Pics or cloud top temperatures to see what is brewing . Temp of cloud tops not showing particularly cool.

    Latest radar returns show it to be running out of gas.........

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,839 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Complete bust, so far anyway, still very mild at 19C with DP of 17C, more showers making there way inland now but not very inspiring looking. Getting hazzy/ foggy now with all the humidity, completely overcast , had a bit of drizzle to add injury to insult :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    cork is so thick it's almost bursting. i can feel a show coming.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,839 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Some bigger showers on the way


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,409 ✭✭✭Trebor176


    There's a few strikes now on the south coast.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 275 ✭✭sweet_trip


    Good bit of action for West Cork and the city.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,166 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Plenty in west Cork with an hour, power dropped with one flash but straight back again


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭SleetAndSnow


    Looks like west cork got a light show again, very close to my summer house. second time in a week, definitely a bad luck charm!Clon - Ross - Skibb - Connagh all looks flooded again


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,151 ✭✭✭highdef


    Very heavy shower passing just north of Navan. Another cell, with even heavier rain of about 100mm per hour, is passing work of Trim


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,839 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Big flooding again last night in W Cork and S kerry. Very heavy torrential rain went through here about 05.30 dropping 8mm in a short time and heard thunder.

    Steamy here this morning 18.9C with 89% RH and DP 17.1C. Looks like more potential for heavy rain and possible thunderstorms today.


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    https://twitter.com/countykerry/status/1294539309136130050?s=20

    https://twitter.com/countykerry/status/1294522554028302337?s=20

    https://twitter.com/CorkSafetyAlert/status/1294566634347274241?s=20


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,839 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Will see what transpires today.

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    http://www.convectiveweather.co.uk/forecast.php?date=2020-08-15


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    Day 1 Convective Outlook
    VALID 06:00 UTC Sat 15 Aug 2020 - 05:59 UTC Sun 16 Aug 2020

    ISSUED 07:31 UTC Sat 15 Aug 2020

    ISSUED BY: Dan

    Upper low over Biscay will slowly approach from the southwest, serving to cool the upper levels on Saturday. Residual high Theta-W plume straddles much of central/southern Britain across to Ireland, and provides the focus for sporadic elevated convection as minor impulses drift westwards in the easterly flow aloft. PVA tends to increase during Saturday night, and so this may be when elevated showers/weak thunderstorms become more widespread, albeit the focus shifted somewhat further north compared with earlier in the day. Instability overall is weaker than previous days, and so lightning will probably be rather isolated.

    At the surface, extensive low cloud and mist is expected once again, although forecast profiles reveal the low-level warm nose that was present on Friday will gradually erode, in theory allowing greater mixing to occur and prospects for some breaks in the cloud to allow surface heating. This will be crucial for developing deep convection, primarily focussed along low-level convergence zones - one likely close to the M4 corridor through London and then northeast into East Anglia, and another along the south coast. Temperatures into the low 20s will be required to trigger deep convection (in conjunction with convergence zones / topography), leading to very tall but very skinny CAPE profiles. 300-600 J/kg CAPE may build, primarily over East Anglia / SE Eng / Cen S Eng where cloud breaks are most likely (especially around London) and this could aid a few heavy showers or weak thunderstorms during the afternoon or early evening. Slow storm motion (5-10mph) and PWAT 35-40mm suggests the risk of local flash flooding where showers/storms do occur. A funnel cloud or weak tornado may be possible given low cloud bases and low-level vorticity that may be ingested into an updraft - especially SE England.

    A low-end SLGT has been introduced where sufficient cloud breaks / surface heating is most likely, with concerns about cloud cover elsewhere. A SLGT has also been included for the Channel Islands where some sporadic lightning may be possible towards the end of Saturday night as thunderstorms approach from France, but uncertainty as to how active they will be by arrival.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,322 ✭✭✭m17


    North Kerry yesterday
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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    Convection underway around South Laois - looks like significant development out over the Irish sea.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,151 ✭✭✭highdef


    Danno wrote: »
    Convection underway around South Laois - looks like significant development out over the Irish sea.

    Yes, cloud tops in the large area of cloud over the Irish sea Doo indeed to be getting up to decent heights now.


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