General British politics discussion thread

PommieBast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118934106#Comment_118934106

In the past @Beasty was the main man when it came to policing the political forums. Not seen him much recently though.

Cal4567

Thanks but the poster deleted their comment. I'm certainly not who they say I was hence my concern in trying to get some redress.

Cal4567

An apology would have been nice but I guess that was too much to ask for.

Seth Brundle

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Back on topic now.

beggars_bush

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118933971#Comment_118933971

18-24 year olds don't usually vote

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118936673#Comment_118936673

They don't, until they do. And even ignoring demographic, immigration still doesn't rank as the top issue of concern - and like I said the survey doesn't / can't say what it even is that those polled think; whether their concern is that it's too lax, too draconian, etc.

But to hear some, it's THE pressing issue, the "breaking point" if you will, that's disintegrating the country with each immigrant indulged.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118936673#Comment_118936673

True but this isn't the point. The point is to appeal to the base with cruelty and racism.

Itssoeasy

I’m not sure how much weight it has in 2022, but the Archbishop of Canterbury has used Easter Sunday to criticise the UK governments plan to send migrants to Rwanda.

ArmaniJeanss

Somewhat interesting Andrew Bridgen story in The Times. He always came across as a 'bad un', but it's nice to get some background details.

Looks like there's a big legal bill on the way, and possible parliamentary watchdog investigation (though the latter is a slow process)

‘Dishonest’ MP Bridgen ‘lied’ about conduct in family dispute | News | The Sunday Times (archive.ph)

VinLieger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118938588#Comment_118938588

Do any of us expect much from the man who honestly thought all English people were entitled to an Irish passport

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118936792#Comment_118936792

The bizarre thing is that refugees and asylum seekers are not usually regarded as "immigrants" or as a part of "immigration" to a country and are not recorded in the official immigration figures (immigrants being people who voluntarily move from one country to another to live, work or study and who have no intention of applying for asylum or refugee status).

The whole debate in the UK among the government and the media is utterly toxic though and they quite deliberately conflate the two, with their inference that many / most refugees are just chancers and opportunistic economic migrants.

Sam Russell

'The whole debate in the UK among the government and the media is utterly toxic though and they quite deliberately conflate the two, with their inference that many / most refugees are just chancers and opportunistic economic migrants.'

All immigrants, as those who voluntarily move to live in another country, are generally moving to improve their lives - usually economically driven. They obviously do it because they can - and will be welcomed in the country they move to as they may have much to offer.

Those that wish to, but cannot, because there are significant barriers put in place to stop them, will either not try, or will go for the illegal route. Now these are separate from those driven by war and persecution - those are entitled to refugee status, but are often excluded from attaining that status for political reasons (or racial, religious or other prejudices).

How to distinguish between the 'economic' and those 'fleeing' is hard because there is no accepted way of telling the difference. It is made harder by the intense scrutiny in some countries to exclude all refugees, so those seeking refuge will play the game of increasing their chances, or by disappearing into the background of illegal immigrant community.

The UK Home Office have created a hostile environment to make life as close to impossible as possible for not only the illegal community, but for those the might be illegal, and even those that belong to the ethnic community* that many of the illegals belong to - like the Windrush generation.

*I think you may take that as racial profiling.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118942223#Comment_118942223

I think it's extremely unhelpful though for the UK govt and English media to keep bringing up "economic migrants" and "illegal immigration" when discussing refugees and asylum seekers. The inference that eventually gets drawn is that nearly everyone trying to cross the Channel in a dinghy is a chancer or an opportunist with very few actual refugees among them.

This seems to be permeating everywhere. Some people at the weekend picked up on the BBC referring to "illegal asylum seekers" a couple of times - a total contradiction in terms. I do find this whole Rwanda episode probably the nadir of the Tories being in power for the last 12 years. It's cynical and meant to divide.

Sam Russell

'I do find this whole Rwanda episode probably the nadir of the Tories being in power for the last 12 years. It's cynical and meant to divide.'

I think when you think the Tories have reached the nadir, they will surprise you by finding a yet lower place to set as their next nadir. They appear to be so corrupt in almost all matters of politics, morality, keeping expected norms such as the Ministerial Code, etc. that they will continue to refuse to resign even when they are caught rotten. They will deny, try to cover-up and then retrospectively change the rules.

I cannot find any case in living memory of a UK political party exhibiting such disdain for 'doing the right thing' which used to be the hallmark of political and social behaviour over there.

Just remember King Edward VIII was forced to abdicate because he wanted to marry a divorced American. Could not happen now! [Sit down Harry!].

devnull

Britain First are now to come for anyone who harasses right wing politicians.

https://twitter.com/MarieAnnUK/status/1515798090678218757

Just a reminder that one of their activists, was the person who killed Jo Cox.

More and more sinister in the UK.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118943252#Comment_118943252

Should be arrested for threatening behavior or conspiracy to commit a crime or something just off the back of that video.

That seems like very clear cut intimidation and threats. If that's not illegal, it should be.

Sam Russell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118943321#Comment_118943321

Being illegal is no protection these days. Even the PM commits illegal acts with impunity - well puny fines and no further action.

pixelburp

More to the point, after Jo Cox how are Britain First still even allowed to operate as an entity? If that was the provisional or splinter IRA, a Muslim protest group or so on it'd have surely been nuked with prejudice by now.

Fasano

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118943288#Comment_118943288

Posts a four year old video and uses a caption stating that Johnson is a **** and Tories are psychopaths.

but that’s ok, because you agree with the sentiment.

the far left are no better than the far right to be honest.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118949375#Comment_118949375

Which MPs have the far left shot and killed recently ?

Also I don't see anything about Johnson or Tory psychopaths in the post.

Fasano

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118943252#Comment_118943252

Has that cast iron evidence behind the allegations made about the DHSC inventing NHS_Susan to spread false information ever been published?

Fasano

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118949387#Comment_118949387

So you see nothing wrong with spreading hatred about politicians?

if you read the profile of the slimebag who tweeted something four years old, you’ll see what I’m referring to.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118949471#Comment_118949471

Your just trying to create rabbit holes using whataboutery.

What that guy said was disgusting and how old it is or who the twitter person is doesn't change the fact that this guy is a dangerous individual.

No amount of "but but the left" changes the fact he is a danger.

devnull

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118924480#Comment_118924480

So now a week since the Daily Mail ran their front page accusing people of focusing too much on what they deemed trivial issues rather than the war in the Ukraine.

Laughably, the Daily Mail, having preached to everyone about how important the war is, has not mentioned the war on the front page once in the last week. As well as the story about fish on the first date, they've ran with another great important story on tomorrow's paper, about whether you should wear shoes inside the house.

Not to be outdone, the Daily Express has also gone for a similar front page tomorrow, again accusing people of focusing on trivial things when they should be talking about the war.

I hope the Government are rewarding them well.

retalivity

A seven minute tirade! How dare he!!!

Uk press is a joke

Fasano

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118949498#Comment_118949498

It isn’t a rabbit hole, it is blatant fabrication and scare mongering.

It is a deliberate attempt to create the false impression that Britain First are making renewed threats and are going after left wing politicians

that clip is four years old and yes, Paul Golding has been arrested several times since then

devnull

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118949431#Comment_118949431

Are you referring to a discussion that you and me had previously?

I can't quite remember having one about anything NHS related since you registered in January, so you will have to point out the posts where this discussion took place since, perhaps then we can discuss it? :)

Fasano

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118949529#Comment_118949529

That’ll be a no then.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118949546#Comment_118949546

Rereg banned.