Congress 2020

Surprised there’s nothing on this at all.

Larry McCarthy from NY elected president, though really should never have been allowed to run in the first place. Pity Burns didn’t get in as he was the only one who was going to change anything.

Any good place to keep track of the motions? I see the one to stop team officials going on the pitch missed out by 1% but the one to stop passing back to the keeper after a kickout passed.

Big dog daly

John fogarty (irish examiner) is posting updates on twitter. The gaa site usually has a live stream and an updated blog on their site on the Saturday

Redsoxfan

Great to see Jarlath losing.

h2005

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Surprised there’s nothing on this at all.

Larry McCarthy from NY elected president, though really should never have been allowed to run in the first place. Pity Burns didn’t get in as he was the only one who was going to change anything.

Why shouldn’t he have been allowed run?

h2005

h2005 wrote: »

Why shouldn’t he have been allowed run?

New York? There’s nothing more bent and underhand than US GAA.

Though I did see since that he’s going to reside here for his term. If he’s held to that then it’s not as bad.

PTH2009

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Surprised there’s nothing on this at all.

Larry McCarthy from NY elected president, though really should never have been allowed to run in the first place. Pity Burns didn’t get in as he was the only one who was going to change anything.

hes orginally from Cork enough said

the rebels seem to always have power in the GAA

seligehgit

A motion proposing that any player who receives a kick out cannot pass it back to their goalkeeper was passed.

The penalty for breaching the rule will be a free to the opposition from where the goalkeeper receives the back-pass.

Or if the goalkeeper is behind his 13 metre line when he gets the ball,the free will be taken from the 13 metre line opposite where he receives possession.

StupidLikeAFox

PTH2009 wrote: »

hes orginally from Cork enough said

the rebels seem to always have power in the GAA

There's been a grand total of 3 GAA presidents from cork in the last 100 years

threeball

seligehgit wrote: »

A motion proposing that any player who receives a kick out cannot pass it back to their goalkeeper was passed.

The penalty for breaching the rule will be a free to the opposition from where the goalkeeper receives the back-pass.

Or if the goalkeeper is behind his 13 metre line when he gets the ball,the free will be taken from the 13 metre line opposite where he receives possession.

This is a positive rule, I suggested that something like this was brought in last year, although I had suggested he would have to get it outside the 45 if he got it back rather than a free against. You won't see the quick chip kick out to the full back anymore as he'll have no outlet if a team pushes up. Delighted it passed, it will move the game back towards it's roots rather than the soccer like play out from the back game it has become.

When does it come in to effect?

seligehgit

threeball wrote: »

This is a positive rule, I suggested that something like this was brought in last year, although I had suggested he would have to get it outside the 45 if he got it back rather than a free against. You won't see the quick chip kick out to the full back anymore as he'll have no outlet if a team pushes up. Delighted it passed, it will move the game back towards it's roots rather than the soccer like play out from the back game it has become.

When does it come in to effect?

It's a very positive move.

This year's championship.

Here’s all the motions.

https://www.gaa.ie/news/annual-congress-2020-the-motions-explained/

Big Ears

threeball wrote: »

Delighted it passed, it will move the game back towards it's roots rather than the soccer like play out from the back game it has become.

When does it come in to effect?

Well not really it's roots, at the introduction of Gaelic Football the ball would have been too heavy to be kicked into the midfield area, and would have to go short, creating many a skirmish.

What you really mean is go back to the 60's/70's/80's, which is fine if that's what you want, but let's not pretend the game used to always be like that from the start.

BPKS

seligehgit wrote: »

It's a very positive move.

This year's championship.

This is something I just don't get.

They trial a set of rules that were proposed by a taskforce who obviously spend time discussing, using stats and other information in coming up with new rules.

Then somebody else decides whether they should be implemented or not e.g. Not being allowed kick pass a sideline backwards.

Then some club or county proposes a rule, it gets to Congress where a bunch of boozed up goons decide its faith and if its passed it comes straight into play for the most important competition.

What a fcuked up system.

threeball

seligehgit wrote: »

It's a very positive move.

This year's championship.

The black card in hurling and the designated players allowed to speak to the ref would be good additions too. Far too much jawing at refs

seligehgit

I saw Davy and Liam Sheedy on six one news speaking out against it's introduction.

threeball

seligehgit wrote: »

I saw Davy and Liam Sheedy on six one news speaking out against it's introduction.

Hate that us hurling people don't want change sh2te. The rule is badly needed, blatant pull downs and goal scoring chances prevented every game. It's well worth 10mins in the bin.

seligehgit

threeball wrote: »

The black card in hurling and the designated players allowed to speak to the ref would be good additions too. Far too much jawing at refs

Is back chat to the referee to become a black card offence?

threeball

seligehgit wrote: »

Is back chat to the referee to become a black card offence?

I thought it already was. Didn't a player get binned for it recently.

threeball

Big Ears wrote: »

Well not really it's roots, at the introduction of Gaelic Football the ball would have been too heavy to be kicked into the midfield area, and would have to go short, creating many a skirmish.

What you really mean is go back to the 60's/70's/80's, which is fine if that's what you want, but let's not pretend the game used to always be like that from the start.

The best football era was the 90s to early 00s and teams didn't play out from the back then. Hopefully we see games looking more like that era on restarts than today's games with truly competitive midfields.

seligehgit

seligehgit wrote: »

Is back chat to the referee to become a black card offence?

There is a motion to only allow a few people to speak to the ref at all but it probably won’t pass.

No hurling black card thankfully.

Motion 19 passes.


https://twitter.com/moseyb86/status/1233725768494198784?s=21

Interested to see what happens with motion 33.

MOTION 33

This motion proposes to establish a National Club Fixtures Oversight Committee and sets out who the members would be and the powers of the Committee. It would investigage matters related to the enforcement of rules on the scheduling and postponement of club fixtures, inter-county player availability to clubs, inter-county challenge and tournament games and closed periods/collective training. The proposed committee would also have responsibility for approving county club fixture programmes on an annual basis and ensuring county club fixture programmes are consistent with the Association's rules and policies.

seligehgit

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

No hurling black card thankfully.

Just genuinely curious as to your issue with the black card?

I'm disappointed TBH.

Then again what would a Mayo man know about hurling.:)

seligehgit

seligehgit wrote: »

Just genuinely curious as to your issue with the black card?

I'm disappointed TBH.

Then again what would a Mayo man know about hurling.:)

There’s probably a better solution out there and they might look for one now. In hurling reducing a team would be fairly steep for something that the ref might not even get right.

Gael85

threeball wrote: »

The best football era was the 90s to early 00s and teams didn't play out from the back then. Hopefully we see games looking more like that era on restarts than today's games with truly competitive midfields.

If teams pushed up on kickouts rather putting 15 bodies the ball would see more midfield battles. This new rule won't change as teams will still go short on restarts.

blowitupref

So the returning Tommy Murphy cup has a new name. Tailteann Cup.

Grats

threeball wrote: »

Hate that us hurling people don't want change sh2te. The rule is badly needed, blatant pull downs and goal scoring chances prevented every game. It's well worth 10mins in the bin.

Fouling is gone ridiculous in the last few years. If refs were to blow every foul, like some justifiably did last weekend, we'd get a true sense of the amount of fouls. Also take account of the fouls not recorded when advantage is played. Refs should be instructed to blow every foul and issue cards until coaches and managers take responsibility for their part in sending out players to foul and force them to change their tactics. Hurling is fast going down the football route which will eventually result in the introduction of the black card.

blowitupref

blowitupref wrote: »

So the returning Tommy Murphy cup has a new name. Tailteann Cup.

Be God they actually bothered give it one.

Big Ears

threeball wrote: »

The best football era was the 90s to early 00s and teams didn't play out from the back then. Hopefully we see games looking more like that era on restarts than today's games with truly competitive midfields.

Best ?, it was certainly more competitive with a lot more teams in with the chance of winning. But the rule set likely had little to do with that.

The best matches I've seen in my lifetime (born at the end of the 1980's) have probably been the ones involving Dublin, Kerry, Mayo etc in the last 5-6 years.
Fantastic stuff, played at an amazing tempo and standard with no lack of kick passing involved.
However the lead up to those games was usually extremely uncompetitive provincial Championships.

Changing the rules to force teams to kick long will not fix that. There's plenty of dinosaurs out who think the game has been ruined by too much hand passing and not humping the ball up the field for 50/50 contests, but the truth is whenever teams have been well matched in the current era we've usually come away with great games of football.

Offaly and Meath for example played out a pulsating well matched game in Navan last year, nothing wrong with it.
Meath were then hammered by Dublin in the Leinster final.....the solution ?, let's limit short passing and get teams to go long.

There was huge support to introduce a new kickout rule a few years ago where the ball would have to go past the 45. Obviously in conditions of strong wind that just isn't feasible, so instead we're left with other rules to try and force teams to go long.

An older generation who nostalgically long for the way the game used to be played', are trying to force a return to that era via rule changes.
The only effect this will have is to reduce how watchable the game is, meanwhile the real issue of funding and development officers for weaker counties remains unaddressed.

threeball

Gael85 wrote: »

If teams pushed up on kickouts rather putting 15 bodies the ball would see more midfield battles. This new rule won't change as teams will still go short on restarts.

Doesn't work as you can only push your outfield men up and that always leaves their goalkeeper as the safety in case a defender comes under pressure. Not anymore thankfully.

threeball

Big Ears wrote: »

Best ?, it was certainly more competitive with a lot more teams in with the chance of winning. But the rule set likely had little to do with that.

The best matches I've seen in my lifetime (born at the end of the 1980's) have probably been the ones involving Dublin, Kerry, Mayo etc in the last 5-6 years.
Fantastic stuff, played at an amazing tempo and standard with no lack of kick passing involved.
However the lead up to those games was usually extremely uncompetitive provincial Championships.

Changing the rules to force teams to kick long will not fix that. There's plenty of dinosaurs out who think the game has been ruined by too much hand passing and not humping the ball up the field for 50/50 contests, but the truth is whenever teams have been well matched in the current era we've usually come away with great games of football.

Offaly and Meath for example played out a pulsating well matched game in Navan last year, nothing wrong with it.
Meath were then hammered by Dublin in the Leinster final.....the solution ?, let's limit short passing and get teams to go long.

There was huge support to introduce a new kickout rule a few years ago where the ball would have to go past the 45. Obviously in conditions of strong wind that just isn't feasible, so instead we're left with other rules to try and force teams to go long.

An older generation who nostalgically long for the way the game used to be played', are trying to force a return to that era via rule changes.
The only effect this will have is to reduce how watchable the game is, meanwhile the real issue of funding and development officers for weaker counties remains unaddressed.

I suppose you think the backpass rule in soccer made no difference either. Regularly you had defenders tipping the ball back to the goalie who would pick it up and waste 15secs before either repeating or humping it down the field. Their rule largely got rid of that nonsense and hopefully this gets rid of our version of that nonsense. Its a blight on the sport when a team is not rewarded for pushing up and pressurising because the goalie gives defenders a soft option to get out of bother.

Gael85

threeball wrote: »

Doesn't work as you can only push your outfield men up and that always leaves their goalkeeper as the safety in case a defender comes under pressure. Not anymore thankfully.

When teams fully press restarts there is little opportunity for defenders to receive a short kick out let alone pass back to the keeper. At the moment too many teams withdraw their full forward line out deep on opposition restarts.

threeball

Gael85 wrote: »

When teams fully press restarts there is little opportunity for defenders to receive a short kick out let alone pass back to the keeper. At the moment too many teams withdraw their full forward line out deep on opposition restarts.

And yet they still manage it.

Big Ears

threeball wrote: »

I suppose you think the backpass rule in soccer made no difference either. Regularly you had defenders tipping the ball back to the goalie who would pick it up and waste 15secs before either repeating or humping it down the field. Their rule largely got rid of that nonsense and hopefully this gets rid of our version of that nonsense. Its a blight on the sport when a team is not rewarded for pushing up and pressurising because the goalie gives defenders a soft option to get out of bother.

That is not a like for like comparison, if anything it's the opposite !

The backpass allowed the ball to be lumped long for a 50/50 aerial contest, and the removal of this eliminated a lot of that and got teams to play out from the back.
This GAA rule is to try and prevent teams playing out and instead lump the ball long !

We've seen plenty of keeper meltdowns in recent years from teams pushing up on them, even from high quality keepers. The team with possession still have to find a man for him to give it back to the keeper, so by pushing up you can turn the ball over before the keeper has a chance to get it back.
You won't see anymore pushing up now, because teams simply won't be going short as often. We'll see a lot less quick restarts, and the game will be slowed down as keepers take their time to kick the ball high and long.

threeball

Big Ears wrote: »

That is not a like for like comparison, if anything it's the opposite !

The backpass allowed the ball to be lumped long for a 50/50 aerial contest, and the removal of this eliminated a lot of that and got teams to play out from the back.
This GAA rule is to try and prevent teams playing out and instead lump the ball long !

We've seen plenty of keeper meltdowns in recent years from teams pushing up on them, even from high quality keepers. The team with possession still have to find a man for him to give it back to the keeper, so by pushing up you can turn the ball over before the keeper has a chance to get it back.
You won't see anymore pushing up now, because teams simply won't be going short as often. We'll see a lot less quick restarts, and the game will be slowed down as keepers take their time to kick the ball high and long.

Just because the ball is kicked out doesn't mean theres anything actually happening. Most of the time its passed around within the 45 for up to a minute before the opposition has a chance to engage. Ball in play but no actual action. The ball will still go short, just not to the back 3 and the receiver will have to move it on quickly as he can't play it back. Teams will push up even more as the safety valve is gone.

Gael85

threeball wrote: »

And yet they still manage it.

Teams will employ more decoy runners. Goalie kicks to corner back, full back comes off the shoulder and play back to keeper.

threeball

Gael85 wrote: »

Teams will employ more decoy runners. Goalie kicks to corner back, full back comes off the shoulder and play back to keeper.

If they're willing to take that risk then thats up to themselves but the chances of getting turned over are high if the press is implemented correctly. Having only the kickout receiver ineligible to back pass is a weakness however. It should have been a stronger rule than just limiting it to one player.

threeball

https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/gaa-congress-live-updates-63-21600158

42 seems to be giving bother (they haven’t done 38-41 yet).

https://www.gaa.ie/live-updates/congress2020/

Big Ears

threeball wrote: »

Just because the ball is kicked out doesn't mean theres anything actually happening. Most of the time its passed around within the 45 for up to a minute before the opposition has a chance to engage. Ball in play but no actual action. The ball will still go short, just not to the back 3 and the receiver will have to move it on quickly as he can't play it back. Teams will push up even more as the safety valve is gone.

Most of the time it's moved up the field, particularly if taken quick.
Sometimes if the opposition has withdrawn players into their half, the ball is moved laterally for a frustrating period of time before being advanced. That rarely happens when an opposition is pressing them as it's too dangerous, free men are looked for and the ball is advanced as quick as possible.

If it's not going to the back 3, but still going short, the receiver will likely look for a player from the back 3 to as they'll be offering support and facing the play. In which case what was the point of stopping the keeper from being the one to offer support and advancing the play ?

59 is up now, the restructuring of the levels of the hurling championship (no relegation from Leinster being the only part most will pay any attention to).

This motion proposes to change the promotion and relegation structure between the various tiers of the All-Ireland hurling championship thereby 'balancing' the number of counties playing in each tier. If the motion is passed, the following would come to pass

Liam MacCarthy Cup: In 2020 there would be no relegation from the Leinster Championship while the Joe McDonagh champions would be promoted to the Leinster Championship for 2021 thereby bringing the number of competing teams in the Leinster Championship to six. The exception would be if Kerry won the Joe McDonagh Cup this year. Then they would play off against the whatever team finished bottom in the 2020 Munster Championship to decide which team would compete in the Munster Championship in 2021 and which team would play in the Joe McDonagh Cup. In that scenario the bottom team in the Leinster Championship would not be relegated. If a team other than Kerry wins the Joe McDonagh Cup this year, then the Leinster Championship will go from a five-team to a six-team competition.

Joe McDonagh Cup: There are currently five teams in the Joe McDonagh Cup. The Joe McDonagh Cup winners would be promoted and no team would be relegated from the Joe McDonagh Cup in 2020 while two teams would be promoted up to the Joe McDonagh Cup from the Christy Ring, thus ensuring the Joe McDonagh Cup would have six teams in 2021.

Christy Ring Cup: There are currently eight teams competing in the Christy Ring Cup. The Christy Ring Cup finalists would be promoted up to the Joe McDonagh Cup for 2021 while the Nickey Rackard Cup winners would be promoted up to the Christy Ring Cup for 2021. The bottom team in the Christy Ring Cup would be relegate to the Nickey Rackard Cup. This would reduce the number of counties competing in the Christy Ring Cup from eight to six in 2021.

Nickey Rackard: There are currently eight teams in the Nickey Rackard Cup. One team will be promoted to the Christy Ring Cup while one team will drop down from the Christy Ring Cup to the Nickey Rackard Cup. The two bottom teams would be relegated to the Lory Meagher Cup. The third bottom team would play the Lory Meagher Cup winner in a play-off with the winner competing in the Nickey Rackard Cup in 2021. This would reduce the number of teams playing in the Nickey Rackard Cup in 2021 from eight to six.

Lory Meagher Cup: There are currently four teams in the Lory Meagher Cup. Two teams will definitely be relegated from the Nickey Rackard Cup with the possibility of a third (in which case one team would be promoted from the Lory Meagher Cup to the Nickey Rackard Cup). This would increase the number of counties competing for the Lory Meagher Cup in 2021 from four to six.

Carlow, Laois, and Westmeath predictably in favour. They’ll want it at 7 when it comes to one of them being relegated in a couple of years and we’ll just end up with no McDonagh and a watered down Leinster.

Passed with 95%.

An Ciarraioch

Passed by 95% - made absolute sense, as up to now, there was a yo-yo of teams between Leinster and the Joe McDonagh, and also the fixtures in the latter competition will benefit from having an even number of teams again.

An Ciarraioch

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Passed by 95% - made absolute sense, as up to now, there was a yo-yo of teams between Leinster and the Joe McDonagh, and also the fixtures in the latter competition will benefit from having an even number of teams again.

Yeah but what happens when Carlow or Laois cry about being relegated when it’s already 6?

An Ciarraioch

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Yeah but what happens when Carlow or Laois cry about being relegated when it’s already 6?

Offaly had to suck it up already, and given Carlow and Laois are hardly much better than Westmeath or Antrim, they can hardly complain. Pity Kerry hurlers don't get the option to play in Leinster if they ever win the Joe McDonagh - the chances of them ever being able to beat the bottom team in Munster are virtually zero.

It’s a real pity that wasn’t up for consideration today too. Kerry have nowhere to go.

puzl

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

It’s a real pity that wasn’t up for consideration today too. Kerry have nowhere to go.

Kerry were welcome to join Munster for many years and rarely elected to do so - the door was always open. It only seems to bother people now that the door is closed.

I'd be happy to see Kerry join Munster for LMC. 6 teams in each provincial will sort out the nonsense of the rest week imbalance.

An Ciarraioch

puzl wrote: »

Kerry were welcome to join Munster for many years and rarely elected to do so - the door was always open. It only seems to bother people now that the door is closed.

I'd be happy to see Kerry join Munster for LMC. 6 teams in each provincial will sort out the nonsense of the rest week imbalance.

They did for most of the Nineties and 2000s - whether 20 and 30 point hamnerings once a season were doing much to promote the game in the county is another matter. That said, they were more competitive in the League back then, even defeating Clare once in their first game after winning an All-Ireland.