Whacking Phoenix

AllForIt

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/feb/10/joaquin-phoenixs-oscars-speech-in-full

Wouldn't you just love to whack him with his politicizing of The Oscars.

I remember when the The Oscars was a fun event, an entertainment show, a bitta fun.

Now it's a showcase of the most privileged using their status to virtue signal.

I don't care if what he said is complexly right or completely wrong.

Movies and music are supposed to be a mental getaway. Let's keep it that way.

Give back your Oscar if you were so concerned about color diversity.

An otherwise great movie "The Joker" ruined by his virtue signaling.

banie01

Remember when the Oscars were a bit of fun?
Nope, not really TBH.

Always someone who seems to want to politicise their award from Marlon Brando sending a 1st Nation woman in his place sometime back in the 70's (Before my time) thru to today.

When were they fun?
When Billy Crystal presented? Was it never political then?

Birneybau

What do you think 'Joker' had to say? Genuinely?

Ipso

If you use the term virtue signaling then you’re doing it.

AllForIt

banie01 wrote: »

Remember when the Oscars were a bit of fun?
Nope, not really TBH.

Always someone who seems to want to politicise their award from Marlon Brando sending a 1st Nation woman in his place sometime back in the 70's (Before my time) thru to today.

When were they fun?
When Billy Crystal presented? Was it never political then?

Yes when Billy Crystal presented. When the highlights of the show were great musical performances between the award announcements. When award recipients made emotional speeches, some cringy, some funny, some heartwarming. Lighthearted entertainment.

Do we not have enough politics these days without getting a break from it?

AllForIt

Ipso wrote: »

If you use the term virtue signaling then you’re doing it.

Twat signalling then.

Bobblehats

Birneybau wrote: »

What do you think 'Joker' had to say? Genuinely?

‘Batman‘ was a privileged wanker born with a silver spoon?

Bobblehats

AllForIt wrote: »

Wouldn't you just love to whack him with his politicizing of The Oscars.

Agreed. That tuxedo’s looking tired

banie01

AllForIt wrote: »

Yes when Billy Crystal presented. When the highlights of the show were great musical performances between the award announcements. When award recipients made emotional speeches, some cringy, some funny, some heartwarming. Lighthearted entertainment.

Do we not have enough politics these days without getting a break from it?

But there were a plethora of political stands made at many of those shows.

Take off your rose tinted glasses and remember what happened rather than what dazzled

No issue with Vanessa Redgrave railing about Zionist Hoodlums in '78?

Gere dissing China and Deng in 93, Robbins and Sarandon with an Aids appeal the same year?

Plenty of other "political" moments here.
https://www.indiewire.com/2017/02/oscar-political-moments-timeline-1201787227/

It's an opportunity for pampered folk to appear like they care and voice their "concerns".

That you don't seem to recall it being like this for a long, long time...

Is a failing of your memory.

Woke Hogan

AllForIt wrote: »

Movies and music are supposed to be a mental getaway.

Says you. He actually makes movies, and you're just a whinging consumer. Who are you to suggest to him what movies are "supposed to be?"

mfceiling

Ah lads leave off him. To highlight the melting ice caps, the raging bush fires and the general malaise of global warming this guy single handedly is going to wear the same tuxedo to every award ceremony this year.

Stella McCartney even went as far as calling him a hero on Twitter.*



*unfortunately for her she got torn to shreds with the comments so she had to change it to winner.

Zebra3

AllForIt wrote: »

An otherwise great movie "The Joker" ruined by his virtue signaling.

I hate that too when an actor makes a speech in real life.

Totally ruins a movie that they've acted in.

Bobblehats

Frustrating thing about that movie it was a comparatively tame rehash of a role he played just a year prior. But what do you know, tie a comic book character to it and people go wild....

AllForIt

banie01 wrote: »

But there were a plethora of political stands made at many of those shows.

Take off your rose tinted glasses and remember what happened rather than what dazzled

No issue with Vanessa Redgrave railing about Zionist Hoodlums in '78?

Gere dissing China and Deng in 93, Robbins and Sarandon with an Aids appeal the same year?

Plenty of other "political" moments here.
https://www.indiewire.com/2017/02/oscar-political-moments-timeline-1201787227/

It's an opportunity for pampered folk to appear like they care and voice their "concerns".

That you don't seem to recall it being like this for a long, long time...

Is a failing of your memory.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UohtVuaT2Ls

No it was never like it is today. You might have had one person say something political but now all of them are are at it.

Also I don't recall anyone ever complain about the awards ceremony itself. And if Phoenix's feels so strongly about white ppl getting all the awards you'd think he might give it back if he feels so strongly on the issue.

banie01

AllForIt wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UohtVuaT2Ls

No it was never like it is today. You might have had one person say something political but now all of them are are at it.

Also I don't recall anyone ever complain about the awards ceremony itself. And if Phoenix's feels so strongly about white ppl getting all the awards you'd think he might give it back if he feels so strongly on the issue.

Much like George C Scott did back in the 60s and 70s, when he refused twice as he wasn't in competition with his peers?

The link I gave you in the earlier post highlights political stands at the Oscars going back to 30s.

You think Joaquin's 45secs of waffle is somehow more political than anything gone before?

As for people complaining about the awards themselves, the reason the song and dance extravaganza was nixed?

People complained much like people are now.
It's impossible to make everyone happy all the time as you seem intent on proving.

Just be glad the speeches now are only 45 seconds rather than some of the previous 1s

AllForIt

banie01, I don't quite get where your coming from.

My moan was generally that The Oscars used to be a much more lighthearted event and now it is not.

Gender, skin color, etc+ seems to be picked over to death, and imo that detracts from the purpose of the event.

Some ppl are movie buffs and we would like it to be about Movies. Maybe your not a movie buff yourself which is perhaps why you don't get where I'm coming from.

If there is some egregious thing going on in society then I don't mind someone making a point. But rehashing things we already know about is just hijacking the event and I believe done so to promote themselves in right-on left leaning society.

For all your links I don't ever recall The Oscars being so political and I hold to that. Clearly Hollywood society is Democrat leaning and using their platform to attack their political opponents i.e Trump is just something I don't care to see in Film award ceremony's.

He doesn't look like he's been a vegan all his life either..

silverharp

Deleted User wrote: »

He doesn't look like he's been a vegan all his life either..

he looks a bit haggard for 45 , some vegans that the knack of sort of looking their age and 20 years older at the same time

NSAman

silverharp wrote: »

he looks a bit haggard for 45 , some vegans that the knack of sort of looking their age and 20 years older at the same time

I'd say its more than just veganism that has him looking like that. Cringe worthy was the "speech".... Renee Zellweger was another wan that went on and on about bugger all.... At least the olde Korean dear was funny (espcially since they tried to shut her up)..;)

banie01

AllForIt wrote: »

banie01, I don't quite get where your coming from.


For all your links I don't ever recall The Oscars being so political and I hold to that.

I'M coming from a fairly simple standpoint of, you're recollection of a golden era of non-politically charged Oscars is wrong.

You don't recall, which is why I pointed out why/how your recollection was mistaken.
That you don't recall it, doesn't mean it's a new phenomenon.

It's not, politicisation of the Oscars has a long and demonstrated history that you don't remember.

That's fine, doesn't mean it hasn't happened.
You are moaning about Joaquin, tbh it's accepted as par for the course at the Oscars.

AllForIt

silverharp wrote: »

he looks a bit haggard for 45 , some vegans that the knack of sort of looking their age and 20 years older at the same time

Lack of high quality protein - necessary for the maintenance of collagen.

AllForIt

banie01 wrote: »

I'M coming from a fairly simple standpoint of, you're recollection of a golden era of non-politically charged Oscars is wrong.

You don't recall, which is why I pointed out why/how your recollection was mistaken.
That you don't recall it, doesn't mean it's a new phenomenon.

It's not, politicisation of the Oscars has a long and demonstrated history that you don't remember.

That's fine, doesn't mean it hasn't happened.
You are moaning about Joaquin, tbh it's accepted as par for the course at the Oscars.

I've answered this already. Your just making the same point in different words.

banie01

AllForIt wrote: »

I've answered this already. Your just making the same point in different words.

No, you have said "you don't recall"

That doesn't mean it didn't happen as has been shown in the link in an earlier post.

Politicisation of acceptance speeches is the main reason that the speech are so limited.

Couple that with the growth in the number of categories and the "fluff" of the light variety show it used to be is gone.

This year it was Joaquin getting in a pro vegan plug for a docu he had narrated.

In the 70's it was Jane and Vietnam, there is a long and demonstrated history of it.
You are clinging to Joaquin, and in a more recent post Democratic lefties as a reason to complain.

I am trying to explain to you, that it's pointless it's always happened and always will.
If you don't like it, don't watch it.

The days of it being a Hollywood Gala are long gone.

Man Vs ManUre

silverharp wrote: »

he looks a bit haggard for 45 , some vegans that the knack of sort of looking their age and 20 years older at the same time

He is a heavy smoker so I don’t imagine he does much fitness work.
And apparently the way he lost so much weight for Joker was by eating 1 Apple a day and nothing else for a few months.
He is a great actor tho and doesn’t need to rely on pretty boy job offers, so I don’t think he is too concerned about what others think of his appearance.

Capt'n Midnight

banie01 wrote: »

It's an opportunity for pampered folk to appear like they care and voice their "concerns".

My word.

You make it sound like they are acting.

Zebra3

Deleted User wrote: »

He doesn't look like he's been a vegan all his life either..

Who cares?

Some vegans/vegetarians/meat eaters are healthy/not healthy.

Most of the best ultra marathoners in the world are vegan.

What's your point?

Ash.J.Williams

AllForIt wrote: »

Yes when Billy Crystal presented. When the highlights of the show were great musical performances between the award announcements. When award recipients made emotional speeches, some cringy, some funny, some heartwarming. Lighthearted entertainment.

Do we not have enough politics these days without getting a break from it?

No

AllForIt

banie01 wrote: »

No, you have said "you don't recall"

That doesn't mean it didn't happen as has been shown in the link in an earlier post.

Politicisation of acceptance speeches is the main reason that the speech are so limited.

Couple that with the growth in the number of categories and the "fluff" of the light variety show it used to be is gone.

This year it was Joaquin getting in a pro vegan plug for a docu he had narrated.

In the 70's it was Jane and Vietnam, there is a long and demonstrated history of it.
You are clinging to Joaquin, and in a more recent post Democratic lefties as a reason to complain.

I am trying to explain to you, that it's pointless it's always happened and always will.
If you don't like it, don't watch it.

The days of it being a Hollywood Gala are long gone.

I am trying to explain to you you that it wasn't as prolific as it is today and it is spoiling the event.

Zebra3

Zebra3 wrote: »

What's your point?

I don't really have a point..It's not some mad anti vegan post for the sake of it..It's just that he always kind of half looks on the heavy side to me..just not what I would associate with other vegans that I'm aware of..

Birneybau

Bobblehats wrote: »

‘Batman‘ was a privileged wanker born with a silver spoon?

Exactly, and Joker/Fleck's mental health therapy and medication was stopped due to austerity.

Effects

AllForIt wrote: »

An otherwise great movie "The Joker" ruined by his virtue signaling.

Ok snowflake.

RobertKK

I was just thankful I eat meat and drink milk and not unhappy as Joachim Phoenix was last night.
He probably hates big cats too for eating other species, along with crocodiles and other meat eaters. He is just anti-science since we evolved to eat meat and drink milk - those of us who are not lactose intolerant.

Man Vs ManUre

Thank God alcohol, cigarettes and other drugs are meat free.

Thelonious Monk

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't really have a point..It's not some mad anti vegan post for the sake of it..It's just that he always kind of half looks on the heavy side to me..just not what I would associate with other vegans that I'm aware of..

you could eat chips all day as a vegan. I think he looks well.

chrissb8

Birneybau wrote: »

What do you think 'Joker' had to say? Genuinely?

"ItS MeDiAteS On tEh NaTuRe oF MEnTuL IlLnEz"

On the topic though. Ricky Gervais nailed it as the host. Bunch of self-entitled idiots who all live morally questionable lives.

Arghus

Political speeches are nothing new at the Oscars.

Bobblehats

Has Woking Phoenix been done already?

valoren

Always stayed up to watch the Oscars during the 90's and then Titanic, a terrible movie, won 11 Oscars and I stopped watching. Shakespeare in Love winning Best Picture the following year vindicated my decision.

Would have been brilliant if Phoenix didn't win and the ridiculous speech he had prepared, with the full knowledge he was going to win, never got to be heard. His face would have been priceless.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

I’m amazed at how much fawning there was about this speech in articles and comment sections. This is exactly what Ricky Gervais was ripping the piss out of at the GGs. They just cannot help themselves, can they? There’s few things more irritating than a pampered, pontificating celeb.

AllForIt

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I’m amazed at how much fawning there was about this speech in articles and comment sections. This is exactly what Ricky Gervais was ripping the piss out of at the GGs. They just cannot help themselves, can they? There’s few things more irritating than a pampered, pontificating celeb.

Well this is it. People who actually are privileged perching to the rest of us. It's quite nauseating.

Those high profile actors live in a world most ppl don't. They are given far too much respect - they should just shut up and do their thing instead of being high minded obnoxious twats.

Reagan and Schwarzenegger went into politics from being actors. Let them do the same if the feel so strongly on political issues.

Birneybau

chrissb8 wrote: »

"ItS MeDiAteS On tEh NaTuRe oF MEnTuL IlLnEz"

On the topic though. Ricky Gervais nailed it as the host. Bunch of self-entitled idiots who all live morally questionable lives.

It mediates? I was talking about tax cuts for the rich, health cuts for the poor. Not the nature of mental illness

BlaktainPicard

In fairness to him his speech was good at the Oscars.
I thought he would just apologise for being a straight white male, and bash Trump the whole way.

Mad_maxx

God be with the days of chat shows with Oliver Reed telling radical feminists to loosen up in between his tenth whiskey

the purple tin

banie01 wrote: »

Remember when the Oscars were a bit of fun?
Nope, not really TBH.

Always someone who seems to want to politicise their award from Marlon Brando sending a 1st Nation woman in his place sometime back in the 70's (Before my time) thru to today.

When were they fun?
When Billy Crystal presented? Was it never political then?

Sasheen Littlefeather, Brando sent her along to protest how native americans had always been portrayed as mindless, bloodthirsty savages by Hollywood. The audience all started booing her when she tried to speak as well, bunch of idiots.

nigeldaniel

This Phoenix guy must have said something mega, did not hear it myself as I don't listen to or watch awards ceremonies

Mad_maxx

the purple tin wrote: »

Sasheen Littlefeather, Brando sent her along to protest how native americans had always been portrayed as mindless, bloodthirsty savages by Hollywood. The audience all started booing her when she tried to speak as well, bunch of idiots.

Vanessa Redgrave got a frosty reception in Hollywood in 1978 when she referred to the Israeli occupation in her acceptance speech

Stateofyou

He has a voice like anyone else, famous or not. But because he's famous and has a massive platform, he was able to use his time to elevate the voices of millions which in my view is commendable. To fight for a better world. Better than apathy and shallow-ness or self congratulatory ego ignoring what's going on around us.
Those of you complaining about how it's not light hearted and entertaining enough for you (which the majority of the time it was, ffs) only highlights his point. The privileged place you're in to be able to complain because you're not affected (yet). Why should his thoughtful reflections irritate anyone. Did his comments on the trauma of animals make you feel guilty as you poured your milk, and you didn't like that? Were you reminded of the lack of effort or sacrifice you've made in your own life? Hmmm..... If that's not the "right time" to talk about it, with a massive audience and opportunity to make a big impact, then when is it a good time? We need more people caring, more often, not less of it.

pleasant Co.

the purple tin wrote: »

Sasheen Littlefeather, Brando sent her along to protest how native americans had always been portrayed as mindless, bloodthirsty savages by Hollywood. The audience all started booing her when she tried to speak as well, bunch of idiots.

This immediately came to mind when I read that daft OP.

chrissb8

Stateofyou wrote: »

He has a voice like anyone else, famous or not. But because he's famous and has a massive platform, he was able to use his time to elevate the voices of millions which in my view is commendable. To fight for a better world. Better than apathy and shallow-ness or self congratulatory ego ignoring what's going on around us.
Those of you complaining about how it's not light hearted and entertaining enough for you (which the majority of the time it was, ffs) only highlights his point. The privileged place you're in to be able to complain because you're not affected (yet). Why should his thoughtful reflections irritate anyone. Did his comments on the trauma of animals make you feel guilty as you poured your milk, and you didn't like that? Were you reminded of the lack of effort or sacrifice you've made in your own life? Hmmm..... If that's not the "right time" to talk about it, with a massive audience and opportunity to make a big impact, then when is it a good time? We need more people caring, more often, not less of it.

Have you ever been around some absolute gowl starts going off pontificating virutous this that and the other? (insert veganism, sustainability, socialism etc.)

Yeah, it's the same thing. No one likes to be talked down to. We are all aware of what's going on in the world. I don't need to hear it from some actor, just so his ego can feel stroked and his vanity can be placated.

I could take it from Leo Di Caprio who seems to be very invested in environmental causes and has been at it for a long time but F U Jacoo coo Phenis and any other imbecile out there who thinks they're striking some chord with the masses.

Stateofyou

chrissb8 wrote: »

Have you ever been around some absolute gowl starts going off pontificating virutous this that and the other? (insert veganism, sustainability, socialism etc.)

Yeah, it's the same thing. No one likes to be talked down to. We are all aware of what's going on in the world. I don't need to hear it from some actor, just so his ego can feel stroked and his vanity can be placated.

I could take it from Leo Di Caprio who seems to be very invested in environmental causes and has been at it for a long time but F U Jacoo coo Phenis and any other imbecile out there who thinks they're striking some chord with the masses.

You can choose to see it as a positive message in which it was intended, or you can choose to feel like you're being talked down to. He's not talking down to anyone, he's speaking from his heart, from a place of good intentions not vanity- and you're choosing to be offended. Not everyone is aware, and most of us are in a state of complacency.

The overwhelming positive response on social media indicates he did strike a chord with the masses, actually.

redmgar

AllForIt wrote: »

An otherwise great movie "The Joker" ruined by his virtue signaling.

This would only make sense if you were watching the movie at the same time as the oscars and you couldn't hear the dialogue due to his speech.