Jameela Jamil is queer. What does that mean? Who cares?

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Jameela Jamil comes out as queer after voguing show backlash

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2020/feb/06/jameela-jamil-comes-out-as-queer-following-voguing-show-backlash?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

Apparently queer means you are not conventionally gay or bi but have sexual preferences that still fit under the LGBTQ umbrella. Seems a bit vague. Not sure whether it means kinky stuff or just being attracted to unusual traits or something.

Dunno about this whole coming out thing. Why not just treat people's sexual stuff as an unknown until otherwise stated. Enough with the announcements; so what like. Unless you want to sleep with them or they have some deviancy that makes them a potential public menace, why would you even want to know.

The big public announcement to say something vague and a bit cryptic is a bit annoying.

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What is it: It means not cisgender heterosexual and it's a handy umbrella term for the 10% of people who are in that diverse category.

Who cares: you, clearly. Although I'm pretty happy to hear it.

greencap

Jamboree jimmel who?

Deebles McBeebles

Mattdhg

Nothing wrong with it.

There's need to worry if you are gay/bi/pan/trans whatever. The umbrella term queer is handy6for people who are still figuring it out, or feel more than one label applies to them.

I'm gay, which is rather vanilla nowadays. I think a general term is no harm at all.

And she only came out at all because people said it was disingenuous of her to judge on an LGBT themed show.

Bobblehats

greencap wrote: »

Jamboree jimmel who?

jimmycrackcorm

I thought calling someone queer was an insult or derogatory

whisky_galore

Who the fück cares?

Blaze420

She’s an insipid individual, it’s laughable that the very people she panders to turned on her, and she uses this magic card to deflect that criticism. Her (and them) can **** right off.

Oranage2

Why do people need to shove their sexual preferences into people's faces. Yes whatever you're gay, straight, fancy unicorns, I don't give a duck.

That goes for guys too telling a weekend sex story, I don't care.

wakka12

Seems like a desperate cry for attention. I would have thought 'coming out' was no longer headline news in the west anymore

Sir Oxman

She's the epitome of the cringetastic, woke, donkeybrained thick 'celeb' on twitter.
She admonishes everyone who doesn't comply with the new language ordained by nutty professors in college campuses across the US and embraced by mainly gamers into anime.
There is no doubt Ms Jamil is nothing but a mouth almighty embracing nothing more than an opportunity to make money (if she was the male equivalent she'd have a beard and call herself a feminist) who is using the *umbrella of the word 'queer' now used to hide every discombobulated woke prick who hasn't a personality to call their own but must self label themselves to save themselves the cost of a tshirt with 'look at meeeeeeee' printed on it.

Its hilarious she has invoked the 'but I'm not straight' tag to defend herself against criticism from the very people she patronises.

She also ruined The Good Place.

*Much more nefarious sh1t hiding under that umbrella term as well but I'm having my tea now.

Fr_Dougal

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

I thought calling someone queer was an insult or derogatory

Not this week.

4068ac1elhodqr

Who cares (about whoever this attention seeker is),
other than some parents named their offspring 'Jam-Jam' (when abbreviated).

s7ryf3925pivug

Does it mean that you're not actually gay but you really want to be in their gang?

eviltwin

Queer is a handy catch all for anyone outside the hetero or gay world which is handy if you're looking for a potential partner.

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Livia Wailing Hardware wrote: »

Does it mean that you're not actually gay but you really want to be in their gang?

There's actually a really resource for questions like this, when you want to know the answer and aren't hugely invested in the question beyond that. It's called Google. One of the top results is usually this thing called wikipedia, it's fairly extensive too.

There's also a good resource for when you've been trawling the guardian or Steven molyneux's Twitter or whatever for something to annoy you, and need to make sure people know how woke you are to all this nonsense, just seriously, so edgy. But you obviously know about that one coz here we are

Ironicname

Lexie Proud Harmonica wrote:

There's actually a really resource for questions like this, when you want to know the answer and aren't hugely invested in the question beyond that. It's called Google. One of the top results is usually this thing called wikipedia, it's fairly extensive too.

Yeah, I'm not googling queer thanks. What is queer? It is someone who seems themself to be so. It can have multiple meanings which in turn means that it means nothing.

This particular individual is an odious creature who uses her ethnicity (and now her sexuality) to further her career.

The fact this is on the front page of the BBC is sad and damning of the state of journalism.

She is an absolute ****.

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Ironicname wrote: »

Yeah, I'm not googling queer thanks.

It's not catching pet, you'll be alright.

Seriously what do you think will happen

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Lexie Proud Harmonica wrote: »

There's actually a really good resource for questions like this, when you want to know the answer and aren't hugely invested in the question beyond that. It's called Google. One of the top results is usually this thing called wikipedia, it's fairly extensive too.

There's also a good resource for when you've been trawling the guardian or Steven molyneux's Twitter or whatever for something to annoy you, and need to make sure people know how woke you are to all this nonsense, just seriously, so edgy. But you obviously know about that one coz here we are

I did Google and I read articles on wikipedia and cosmopolitan as well as other places and still find it vague and cryptic.

Doesn't seem to mean anything really. But I think it means twat.

Not because of anything to do with someone's sexuality, just to be clear. Just their use of of vague cryptic language to describe themselves.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

She’s très annoying but I’m beginning to feel sorry for her because she has kind of backed herself into a corner a bit. She’s tying herself in knots.

Ironicname

Lexie Proud Harmonica wrote:

It's not catching pet, you'll be alright.

Ah Google images would throw up some stuff I don't want to see.

Don't worry though, I'm aware of what it is

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Livia Wailing Hardware wrote: »

I did Google and I read articles on wikipedia and cosmopolitan as well as other places and still find it vague and cryptic.

Doesn't seem to mean anything really. But I think it means twat.

Not because of anything to do with someone's sexuality, just to be clear. Just their use of of vague cryptic language to describe themselves.

First sentence on wikipedia

Queer is an umbrella term for sexual and gender minorities who are not heterosexual or are not cisgender.

If you find that vague and cryptic then I don't know how to simplify and specify it more for you, I'm sorry.

Doctor Nick

I don't understand half the words people use today. I feel like Grandpa Simpson though I'm only 42. Queer, cisgendered, pansexual, woke. What do these things mean? Google confuses me with these definitions.

Blaze420

Lexie Proud Harmonica wrote: »

First sentence on wikipedia



If you find that vague and cryptic then I don't know how to simplify and specify it more for you, I'm sorry.

Whats a cisgender? Sorry but my bull**** dictionary doesn’t seem to be up to date

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Blaze420 wrote: »

Whats a cisgender? Sorry but my bull**** dictionary doesn’t seem to be up to date

Yeah, and your Google is broken too!

Having one of those days huh.

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Lexie Proud Harmonica wrote: »

First sentence on wikipedia



If you find that vague and cryptic then I don't know how to simplify and specify it more for you, I'm sorry.

Right so what is an example of a Q that is not LGB or T?
Because if you actually read the article there doesn't seem to be much consensus on what it should and should not include.

But don't try to actually communicate or think. Just keep projecting - whatever it is you're imagining that I am - and continue attacking me.

Ten of Swords

Mod

OK back on topic everyone.

In this instance, as already defined in the thread, Queer is a term covering anybody not identifying as heterosexual or cisgender

Cisgender is a term describing a person who's gender identity matches their birth gender

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Livia Wailing Hardware wrote: »

Right so what is an example of a Q that is not LGB or T?
Because if you actually read the article there doesn't seem to be much consensus on what it should and should not include.

Pansexual or asexual or intersex! You can see how that acronym would get unwieldy.

There's plenty of consensus, there's also plenty dissent. Many people who might be described as queer don't like the term at all.

If you are in the minority of not both straight (heterosexual) and cisgender (not transgender) then you are what is often described as queer.

But don't try to actually communicate or think. Just keep projecting - whatever it is you're imagining that I am - and continue attacking me.

I'm sorry you feel attacked, I'm sure that's not a nice feeling.

I apologise for not realising the guy who started a thread about a celebrity being queer and what's that and who cares was looking to expand his mind and communicate.

Blaze420

Ten of Swords wrote: »

Mod

OK back on topic everyone.

In this instance, as already defined in the thread, Queer is a term covering anybody not identifying as heterosexual or cisgender

Cisgender is a term describing a person who's gender identity matches their birth gender

So basically Male or Female as it has always been known under some new makey uppey bull**** name? Got ya

Deebles McBeebles

Blaze420 wrote: »

So basically Male or Female as it has always been known under some new makey uppey bull**** name? Got ya

You don't seem as chill as your name suggests.

Still waters

Blaze420 wrote: »

So basically Male or Female as it has always been known under some new makey uppey bull**** name? Got ya

Exactly, cis gender my fcukin hole = male or female, how the fcuk did we manage years ago, if jamelia jamaica died tomorrow id be safe in the knowledge that i couldn't give a fcuk if i never knew she was queer, why can't terrorists target vacuous love island Instagram wannabes and do the world a favour

Ten of Swords

Ok I feel very strongly that you're focused on the cisgender part of my post and not the back on topic part, this thread is NOT about gender identity, it is about Jameela Jamil's statement and peoples thoughts on it

Ipso

I'm queer and so is my wife

Snails pace

Doctor Nick wrote: »

I don't understand half the words people use today. I feel like Grandpa Simpson though I'm only 42. Queer, cisgengered, pansexual, woke. What do these things mean? Google confuses me with these definitions.

And your supposed to be a doctor, being honest I'm in the same boat as you. Too many terms floating around, and people waiting to be offended.

Phoebas

Ten of Swords wrote: »

Mod

OK back on topic everyone.

In this instance, as already defined in the thread, Queer is a term covering anybody not identifying as heterosexual or cisgender

Cisgender is a term describing a person who's gender identity matches their birth gender

I'm even more confused.

Does that mean she's a woman who identifies as a man who's not heterosexual (i.e fancies the same sex).

In practical terms does that mean that she fancies blokes.
She might have saved herself a lot of bother..

s7ryf3925pivug

Lexie Proud Harmonica wrote: »

Pansexual or asexual or intersex! You can see how that acronym would get unwieldy.

There's plenty of consensus, there's also plenty dissent. Many people who might be described as queer don't like the term at all.

If you are in the minority of not both straight (heterosexual) and cisgender (not transgender) then you are what is often described as queer.



I'm sorry you feel attacked, I'm sure that's not a nice feeling.

I apologise for not realising the guy who started a thread about a celebrity being queer and what's that and who cares was looking to expand his mind and communicate.

I looked those terms up. Intersex means someone born with features from both sets of genitalia. It replaced the term hermaphrodite because it is more correct and apparently the latter is stigmatizing.

Pansexual means one of the things I was wondering about in my OP - attracted to things not usually associated with a particular gender, or attracted to unusual gender.

An example that makes sense to me is if someone likes pre op trans people they wouldn't fit neatly into LGB or T but would still identify as part of the overarching group.

donaghs

Lexie Proud Harmonica wrote: »

What is it: It means not cisgender heterosexual and it's a handy umbrella term for the 10% of people who are in that diverse category.

Who cares: you, clearly. Although I'm pretty happy to hear it.

Incredible news. Truly a historic day. Plus she gets to get the job.
People can do as they please in their personal lives. So why now? this just stinks of pandering to current trends and trying to stay relevant.

Irish Guitarist

This is kind of off topic but has the original non-sexual definition of queer (unusual or odd) been completely eradicated? Has it gone the way of the word gay?

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Livia Wailing Hardware wrote: »

I looked those terms up. Intersex means someone born with features from both sets of genitalia. It replaced the term hermaphrodite because it is more correct and apparently the latter is stigmatizing.

Pansexual means one of the things I was wondering about in my OP - attracted to things not usually associated with a particular gender, or attracted to unusual gender.

An example that makes sense to me is if someone likes pre op trans people they wouldn't fit neatly into LGB or T but would still identify as part of the overarching group.

Yeah pansexual was one I had to figure out too, I'm bisexual and I didn't immediately understand what the difference there was. There might be a specific attraction to an ambiguity of gender, or a total irrelevance of gender to how attracted you are. Whereas I would be specifically attracted to things that are related to their gender.*

For the vast majority of people these labels don't matter hugely on a day to day level, not that you'd know it to listen to some nutjobs.

For me I LOVE the term queer, it saves a lot of explaining things endlessly, and it saves me feeling like I'm lying by omission about my sexuality when there are conversations about like, gay marriage. For anyone who's been in the closet that feeling is truly horrible but nor do I want to endlessly have the "so do you prefer one or the other though? Are you really though? Tell me your sexual history"

*I'm not any kind of authority on this, open to correction

Phoebas

I always thought Queer was just a derogatory term for Gay, and you shouldn't use it unless you are it.

Every day is a school day.

RobAMerc

Lexie Proud Harmonica wrote: »

Who cares: you, clearly. Although I'm pretty happy to hear it.

I do, I think she's fabulous. I was initially a bit upset, but then I thought about it, and then a bit more, and now thinking about Jameela with another woman makes me very very happy. :pac:

Thanks Jameela

Gatling

So she's claims queer due to a bunch snowflakes on twitter getting all fauxraged because she's acting a part .
And not gay ......



People need to get a life

squawker

ah Twitter, the ultimate platform for fools

One eyed Jack

Livia Wailing Hardware wrote: »

Jameela Jamil comes out as queer after voguing show backlash

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2020/feb/06/jameela-jamil-comes-out-as-queer-following-voguing-show-backlash?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

Apparently queer means you are not conventionally gay or bi but have sexual preferences that still fit under the LGBTQ umbrella. Seems a bit vague. Not sure whether it means kinky stuff or just being attracted to unusual traits or something.

Being honest with you, the only way you’ll ever have a definitive answer is by asking the individual themselves what they mean when they use the term. I could ask 100 different individuals what they mean when they apply the term queer to themselves, and I would likely get 200 different answers - what queer means to them, and what they think I want to hear :pac:

Jameela Jameel’s explanation is a perfect example of the idea - she explains what queer means to her, in a way that she assumes will assuage the social media mob who have taken issue with an association between Jameela Jameel with them. They feel she doesn’t have a right to be there unless they can identify with her. She has put herself in that position, and she wants to feel like she is one of them. She wants them to accept her as one of them.

The irony of her talking about being scared of being accused of performative bandwagon jumping, in the context of a show judging performative bandwagon jumping, is off the scale

Livia Wailing Hardware wrote: »

Dunno about this whole coming out thing. Why not just treat people's sexual stuff as an unknown until otherwise stated. Enough with the announcements; so what like. Unless you want to sleep with them or they have some deviancy that makes them a potential public menace, why would you even want to know.

The big public announcement to say something vague and a bit cryptic is a bit annoying.

Sure, it’s annoying, but it’s no different than any other form of virtue signalling depending upon the context - wanting to be perceived a certain way by other people. The reason people don’t treat their sexuality as an unknown and allow for other people to make assumptions is because it’s important for them for whatever their reasons are, that other people are aware of how they identify themselves as, in this particular circumstances - queer.

It’s vague enough and yet still safe enough to be acceptable to mainstream “LGBT community” types, certainly a lot safer than identifying as either gay, bisexual, lesbian or transgender. Queer is that term that covers a multitude and can mean anything the person wants it to mean, whether that’s in the context of political, social or interpersonal relationships with other people. It’s that sort of token validation that just about squeezes in under the LGBTQ “umbrella”.

Ipso

Gatling wrote: »

So she's claims queer due to a bunch snowflakes on twitter getting all fauxraged because she's acting a part .
And not gay ......



People need to get a life

A career move, then?

mdwexford

Doctor Nick wrote: »

I don't understand half the words people use today. I feel like Grandpa Simpson though I'm only 42. Queer, cisgendered, pansexual, woke. What do these things mean? Google confuses me with these definitions.

They don’t mean anything. Made up words by imbeciles.

This woman is annoying in The Good Place. Seems to be more so in real life.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Ten of Swords wrote: »

Ok I feel very strongly that you're focused on the cisgender part of my post and not the back on topic part, this thread is NOT about gender identity, it is about Jameela Jamil's statement and peoples thoughts on it

The current definition of ‘queer’ as supplied by a few people in the thread refers to gender identity so naturally it’s going to come up and be discussed. Why constrain the thread like that?

Personally, I just find it all so confusing. Queer for so long meant homosexual, firstly as a slur and then wrested back by gay people. For many people, this will still be the meaning of the word as they understand it. When did ‘queer’ stop meaning ‘homosexual’? And why is there often a vague antagonism (as demonstrated in a few posts in this thread) towards people who question the new meaning of term? If people are confused about all these new words and definitions that people give, what does that tell us?

Ten of Swords

Because the article that made the basis of post #1 mentions sexuality a number of times yet doesn't mention gender identity at all

Wibbs

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

If people are confused about all these new words and definitions that people give, what does that tell us?

That it's as much about a current subjective self describing and arguably in some cases a self indulgent fashion of sorts adding to the ever more internally competitive alphabet soup of LBGTQXYZ+ than anything approaching a useful set of definitions. IIRC is it Facebook that has near 50 such "definitions"? I suppose it's also a reaction to the increasing feeling for many of feeling left out, behind and not so relevant, or "special" in a world of ever increasing social complexities. At least on the surface level.

Objectively gender and sexuality pretty much boils down to these: Straight, Gay, Bisexual, Asexual*. Male, female, intersex**.



*Though most asexuals seem to tend towards some flavour of the other three.

** Trans would be within intersex, or some would be at least part of that spectrum if we consider the male female brains to be subtly different.

Guy:Incognito

Oranage2 wrote: »

Why do people need to shove their sexual preferences into people's faces.

Whos face did she shove it in?

Unless you follow her on social media, you heard it from somewhere else. Not much she can do about someone else telling you something.