Minimal/No checks on intermediate stations

veryangryman

I notice alot that one can get on or off at a non-terminal station without any checks at all. Even where there are staff, one gets waved by if its busy.

I kind of get the logic. 99% of the people on the journeys are starting or ending at a terminal station so the few that get by going to the middle journeys arent worth the effort.

Still, when you see a scobe clearly chancing their arm, tis a bit annoying

L1011

That's what RPU checks are for. Luas doesn't have any barriers, Metro won't, many bus systems outside Ireland don't

devnull

There's masses of evasion going on every day for people who are not traveling to/from City Centre stations.

Checks at barriers are completely useless at stopping this - the checks need to be on trains instead of at barriers and they would catch a lot more people who wouldn't be able to use a certain trick that they do now.

Jem72

I'm travelling between Edgeworthstown and Maynooth once or twice a week at peak times at the moment and you really don't need to buy a ticket. I can't remember the last time I was checked on the 0540 from Sligo or the 1710 from Connolly.

And it's always possible to get out of Maynooth without going through a barrier - there is a turnstile and usually a barrier is left open because the staff are too busy to get involved in checking tickets.

The fine is less than the cost of 5 return journeys.

Del.Monte

What would be going on at Maynooth to keep the staff busy? Unloading the mails, parcels, carrying 1st class passengers luggage...do tell?

loyatemu

Greystones the barriers are often all locked open.

easypazz

I'd say Castleconnell to Birdhill is lightly policed.

L1011

Del.Monte wrote: »

What would be going on at Maynooth to keep the staff busy? Unloading the mails, parcels, carrying 1st class passengers luggage...do tell?

Maynooth has two unmanned exits and the main building. It usually has two staff.

Do you expect them to have quantum bilocation properties?

When the RPU do a full sweep they have five or more staff per exit to ensure some level of passenger flow also. One person will get bogged down rapidly even if everyone is compliant. Once they have to ticket one person everyone else is getting away.

devnull

L1011 wrote: »

When the RPU do a full sweep they have five or more staff per exit to ensure some level of passenger flow also. One person will get bogged down rapidly even if everyone is compliant. Once they have to ticket one person everyone else is getting away.

But such ticket checks are useless, they might have worked at one point, before a certain thing happened but they are no use now because people know how to get around them and either the ticket inspectors don't know about it or they just let people get away with it.

Ticket checks needs to be on train and that is the only way they will catch fare evaders whilst current systems are in place. If they modified a certain thing though ticket checks at gatelines would be far more effective.

Irish Rail have been told about it but they say it's not a big issue but really it is an issue since daily I saw at least people do it and many more people talking about it and 4 people have told me about it as well and asked why I don't do the same!

Jamie2k9

There move from on train to gate line checks is a major failure, one notable example is if they are at Grand Canal Dock, people just stay on until Lansdowne Road...

You will rarely see them on Heuston services, Cork based ones occasionally make it up to Limerick Junction.

Spend a full day between Athy/Carlow, Newbridge/Nass etc.

I accept there is fare evasion at peak times however off peak should be the core focus.

The invisible CSO's were supposed to be checking and selling tickets and this has yet to happen. Many station staff leave one barrier open when they are working, guess anything for the easy life.

Del.Monte

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

There move from on train to gate line checks is a major failure, one notable example is if they are at Grand Canal Dock, people just stay on until Lansdowne Road...

You will rarely see them on Heuston services, Cork based ones occasionally make it up to Limerick Junction.

Spend a full day between Athy/Carlow, Newbridge/Nass etc.

I accept there is fare evasion at peak times however off peak should be the core focus.


The invisible CSO's were supposed to be checking and selling tickets and this has yet to happen. Many station staff leave one barrier open when they are working, guess anything for the easy life.

We regularly have the invisible CSOs on the Rosslare line - they do virtually nothing, do not make themselves known to passengers and have no distinctive uniform or lanyard to make themselves stand out.

CIE/IE have veered between demanning trains to demanning stations to having no barriers and open stations..........................................since God was a boy and it's getting worse.

road_high

Is the Waterford line much stricter? At Kilkenny the staff nearly always check your ticket before access to the platforms- manually as there's no automatic barrier so they lock the doors until near departure. Then the ticket will usually be checked on board with multiple runs of the ticket checker guy..and at Heuston automatic barriers which are never just open either. So very often ticket is checked three times in one 90 min trip.
Quite difficult to get away without a ticket tbh.

Also witnessed "undesirables" being turfed off in Carlow for no ticket and even claiming the ticket seller had binned it!!

Working class heroes

Del.Monte wrote: »

We regularly have the invisible CSOs on the Rosslare line - they do virtually nothing, do not make themselves known to passengers and have no distinctive uniform or lanyard to make themselves stand out.

CIE/IE have veered between demanning trains to demanning stations to having no barriers and open stations..........................................since God was a boy and it's getting worse.

If they are invisible how do you know they are there?

Anyway you are talking nonsense. I regularly see them on the Rosslare line.
I’ve seen them checking and I hear them making announcements on a regular basis.

Jamie2k9

Working class heroes wrote: »

If they are invisible how do you know they are there?

Anyway you are talking nonsense. I regularly see them on the Rosslare line.
I’ve seen them checking and I hear them making announcements on a regular basis.

There is software for the announcements no need for CSO's to repeat!

There are some great ones i.e. viable on platforms when passengers are boarding generally do a walk through after every stop. Then there are others you might see once in 2 hours.

I don't think the ticket checking is their fault but the delays still stop with IE.

You should ask why people have to tweet for issues to be addressed even if there is a CSO on board. The extended social media hours including weekends will benefit customers a lot more than CSOs unless they start delivering a consistent service.

Is the Waterford line much stricter? At Kilkenny the staff nearly always check your ticket before access to the platforms- manually as there's no automatic barrier so they lock the doors until near departure. Then the ticket will usually be checked on board with multiple runs of the ticket checker guy..and at Heuston automatic barriers which are never just open either. So very often ticket is checked three times in one 90 min trip.
Quite difficult to get away without a ticket tbh.

Also witnessed "undesirables" being turfed off in Carlow for no ticket and even claiming the ticket seller had binned it!!

Its just because of the station and it's layout. It's kind of like Athlon however a station like Carlow and Athy are a bigger problem. It's no stricter that any route however there are gaps which need to be addressed.

Del.Monte

Working class heroes wrote: »

If they are invisible how do you know they are there?

Anyway you are talking nonsense. I regularly see them on the Rosslare line.
I’ve seen them checking and I hear them making announcements on a regular basis.

Because I'm an ex.railway enthusiast i.e. not an ordinary rail traveller who probably hasn't noticed the change over from steam to diesel yet.

As for checking tickets - they do not.

Working class heroes

Del.Monte wrote: »

Because I'm an ex.railway enthusiast i.e. not an ordinary rail traveller who probably hasn't noticed the change over from steam to diesel yet.
Jesus a bit of an old superiority complex going on there eh?
As for checking tickets - they do not.

Don’t care what you are. You have now idea what you are talking about.
CSO’s have conducted ticket checks on the Rosslare service. They are not always on the service but when they are they are visible. It might surprise you to know that I know what I’m talking about. As for the automated announcements, you seem to be suggesting that CSO’s are not needed, make up your mind.....

As for your previous post, you changed your tune from the one before that.

I honestly think you have a severe chip on your shoulder regarding Irish Rail. You seem to spend your whole time here complaining about them.

end of the road

Working class heroes wrote: »

I honestly think you have a severe chip on your shoulder regarding Irish Rail. You seem to spend your whole time here complaining about them.

if he does it's hardly for no reason in fairness.

Drifter50

As for the Luas, forget it, if there were ticket checkers or revenue protection officers they could`nt get near a tram at rush hours. Now I did get checked at 1030 pm the other day but if you are a commuter, dare I say it but there`s no need to buy a ticket.
I travel weekly on the Connolly Sligo route and I am almost always checked. I`m kinda impressed by that

Working class heroes

end of the road wrote: »

if he does it's hardly for no reason in fairness.

No if’s about it. No excuse for posting lies.

Del.Monte

Working class heroes wrote: »

Don’t care what you are. You have now idea what you are talking about.
CSO’s have conducted ticket checks on the Rosslare service. They are not always on the service but when they are they are visible. It might surprise you to know that I know what I’m talking about. As for the automated announcements, you seem to be suggesting that CSO’s are not needed, make up your mind.....

As for your previous post, you changed your tune from the one before that.

I honestly think you have a severe chip on your shoulder regarding Irish Rail. You seem to spend your whole time here complaining about them.

If you're going to quote somebody you shouldn't alter their original post as you have done.



You clearly know everything about everything so I will bow to your superior knowledge. There are CSOs on every train helping old dears mind the gap, dishing out free goodies to all the passengers and wearing uniforms befitting of 5 Star hotel porters.

end of the road

Working class heroes wrote: »

No if’s about it. No excuse for posting lies.

where has he posted lies?
i have never witnessed him do such a thing on this site at any stage.
i can agree that you clearly have had different experiences to him when traveling on the line but it doesn't make his experiences lies.

it is likely the case that you are both accurate, you have seen CSOS yet he hasn't.

Working class heroes

Del.Monte wrote: »

If you're going to quote somebody you shouldn't alter their original post as you have done.



You clearly know everything about everything so I will bow to your superior knowledge. There are CSOs on every train helping old dears mind the gap, dishing out free goodies to all the passengers and wearing uniforms befitting of 5 Star hotel porters.

There you go again with your superior, condescending attitude.

Show me where I altered your post?

No. You posted crap about the CSO’s. I called you out on that. If you can’t handle that it’s not my problem.

Working class heroes

end of the road wrote: »

where has he posted lies?
i have never witnessed him do such a thing on this site at any stage.
i can agree that you clearly have had different experiences to him when traveling on the line but it doesn't make his experiences lies.

it is likely the case that you are both accurate, you have seen CSOS yet he hasn't.

He said the CSO’s are invisible. Lies.
He said the CSO’s don’t conduct ticket checks. Lies.

Jem72

I suspect different passengers get different experiences as the CSOs seem to have a set roster that they follow. I very rarely see one on Sligo and I normally take the 0545 up and the 1710 down. I may be wrong but I think that the 0700 up and the 1600 down are usually staffed. At least I've seen ticket checkers on those trains recently

So if your habit is to take the staffed trains, you'll always seen a ticket checker and if you don't you'll never see one.

Del.Monte

Working class heroes wrote: »

There you go again with your superior, condescending attitude.

Show me where I altered your post?

No. You posted crap about the CSO’s. I called you out on that. If you can’t handle that it’s not my problem.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112467087&postcount=16


The second line of your quote has added in your own words - possibly a mistake on your part - but adding further confusion. As for a superior, condescending attitude you really should have a look at your own posting style - and not just in this thread.

Working class heroes

Del.Monte wrote: »

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112467087&postcount=16


The second line of your quote has added in your own words - possibly a mistake on your part - but adding further confusion. As for a superior, condescending attitude you really should have a look at your own posting style - and not just in this thread.

Apologies that was in error. I inserted that line before and not after the quote tags whilst editing.

As for the rest of your post, well, apologies if I have upset you in some way.

end of the road

Working class heroes wrote: »

He said the CSO’s are invisible. Lies.
He said the CSO’s don’t conduct ticket checks. Lies.

well no, again, his experiences show that he does not see the CSOS doing checks and all else, whereas you do.
i have absolutely no reason to believe his experiences are incorrect, or yours, both can be correct. it is probable that not all trains will be staffed, or staff visibility won't be consistant, after all nothing else on the rosslare line is .

Working class heroes

end of the road wrote: »

well no, again, his experiences show that he does not see the CSOS doing checks and all else, whereas you do.
i have absolutely no reason to believe his experiences are incorrect, or yours, both can be correct. it is probable that not all trains will be staffed, or staff visibility won't be consistant, after all nothing else on the rosslare line is .

Well, yes. Here is what he said


He said “CSO’s do not make announcements “
This is lies.
I’m no fan of IE but this type of hyperbole is ridiculous.

Is that clear enough for you?

Del.Monte

Working class heroes wrote: »

Well, yes. Here is what he said
“ “The invisible CSO's were supposed to be checking and selling tickets and this has yet to happen”
This is lies. He does not say it is what he observed, he is stating it as fact.

He also said “CSO’s do not make announcements “
This is also lies.
I’m no fan of IE but this type of hyperbole is ridiculous.

Is that clear enough for you?

Where did I say that? As for CSOs - it wasn't me that originally described them as invisible but I used the term mentioned by another poster as I thought it very apt. The only times that I have heard - presumably the CSO but equally could have been the driver - is at Dun Laoghaire in the Up direction when there's a surge of commuters getting on that need to be told that the next stop will be Pearse.


I see that it was Jamie2k9 that posted the bit about CSOs you attribute to me: https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112457059&postcount=10 Try and keep up.

Working class heroes

Del.Monte wrote: »

Where did I say that? As for CSOs - it wasn't me that originally described them as invisible but I used the term mentioned by another poster as I thought it very apt. The only times that I have heard - presumably the CSO but equally could have been the driver - is at Dun Laoghaire in the Up direction when there's a surge of commuters getting on that need to be told that the next stop will be Pearse.


I see that it was Jamie2k9 that posted the bit about CSOs you attribute to me: https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112457059&postcount=10 Try and keep up.

Apologies it was Jamie. I take it back.
I’m not disputing nor interested in what you hear or presume. I’m telling how it is. Not what I’m experiencing, how it is.
CSO’s are visible.
CSO’s check tickets.
CSO’s are making announcements.

If they weren’t I’d say it. I don’t give a toss one way or another.

I see you have changed your tone from been condescending to been passive aggressive. Well done.

Jamie2k9

No Waterford CSO (or Heuston) check any tickets, I have not had a single ticket checked by them in 18 months or so since they were rolled out. The only checks are by the designated ticket inspectors on the route (2-3 of them). I presume your not mixing those up with CSOs on Rosslare route.

Whats worse is IE might roster a CSO and ticket inspector on one service and the service an hour later has nobody.

Yea they make the announcements just before the recorded one is made, bit pointless.

Great for Rosslare customers if they are doing well and what such a role involves...not happening elsewhere.

Praetorian

I used to catch the train as a kid every day from one small town to another for school and I used to try and game the 10 journey ticket as much as I could but the station masters were quite on the ball with checking. I was a poor kid with no pocket money, I'm sorry!

These days I probably could have made that 10 journey last a month or longer!

Del.Monte

Working class heroes wrote: »

Apologies it was Jamie. I take it back.
I’m not disputing nor interested in what you hear or presume. I’m telling how it is. Not what I’m experiencing, how it is.
CSO’s are visible.
CSO’s check tickets.
CSO’s are making announcements.

If they weren’t I’d say it. I don’t give a toss one way or another.

I see you have changed your tone from been condescending to been passive aggressive. Well done.

Why bother posting here at all if you're not interested in hearing what other people have to say? You have called me a liar several times today and had to apologise twice and your tone has gone from being OTT offensive to vaguely conciliatory. Well done, well done!

Working class heroes

Del.Monte wrote: »

Why bother posting here at all if you're not interested in hearing what other people have to say? You have called me a liar several times today and had to apologise twice and your tone has gone from being OTT offensive to vaguely conciliatory. Well done, well done!

Why not address the facts I posted?

I’ll post where I like. I seen bull and I contradicted.

If you don’t like it that’s your problem.

If my posting offends you feel free to report.

devnull

Working class heroes wrote: »

Why not address the facts I posted?

I’ll post where I like. I seen bull and I contradicted.

If you don’t like it that’s your problem.

If my posting offends you feel free to report.

Del.Monte wrote: »

Why bother posting here at all if you're not interested in hearing what other people have to say? You have called me a liar several times today and had to apologise twice and your tone has gone from being OTT offensive to vaguely conciliatory. Well done, well done!

Both of you - knock it off else there will have to be sanctions.

Attack the post and not the poster.

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Board Walker

I have been told many times about the old days on the Youghal line, Family's rarely all bought tickets, maybe one person out of 5 would buy one. No wonder the line closed!

Del.Monte

Board Walker wrote: »

I have been told many times about the old days on the Youghal line, Family's rarely all bought tickets, maybe one person out of 5 would buy one. No wonder the line closed!

Rubbish. I travelled on those trains and you had to have a ticket to get through the barrier at Cork station. The line closed because like so much of the extremities of the Irish railway system it was allowed to wither and had no investment until a huge amount of would have been needed to bring the line up to a safe condition.