Buffy the Vampire Slayer Vs Charmed

Troyaferd

The White Wolf wrote: »

I found Buffy season 7 very mean spirited also.

True.

nix

The White Wolf wrote: »

I found Buffy season 7 very mean spirited also.

How so?

The White Wolf

nix wrote: »

How so?

Just that there's a lot of misery.

Faith is hated. Buffy is hated more though which makes a recovering Faith popular but guess what Faith is no Buffy!! So Buffy is the saviour again by default.

Dawn and Xander are firmly affirmed as nobodies....and it's a bit weird to find out where that relationship goes in the comics.

Angel is brought in for THAT cameo everyone wanted only to be told to sharply **** off. Apparently Buffy doesn't see the potential in an avengers type initiative.

And finally the whole Caleb arc, while I love Fillon, is plugging a hole with an anti religious angle to cover an utterly crap final big bad.

It's really hard to find much joy in that final season and SMG's disinterest makes it no easier.

nix

The White Wolf wrote: »

Just that there's a lot of misery.

Faith is hated. Buffy is hated more though which makes a recovering Faith popular but guess what Faith is no Buffy!! So Buffy is the saviour again by default.

Dawn and Xander are firmly affirmed as nobodies....and it's a bit weird to find out where that relationship goes in the comics.

Angel is brought in for THAT cameo everyone wanted only to be told to sharply **** off. Apparently Buffy doesn't see the potential in an avengers type initiative.

And finally the whole Caleb arc, while I love Fillon, is plugging a hole with an anti religious angle to cover an utterly crap final big bad.

It's really hard to find much joy in that final season and SMG's disinterest makes it no easier.

Yeah i feel the introduction of all those annoying initiates squandered the "potential" of a lot of the usually great characters.

I didnt mind the first evil though, in fact i thought it was the perfect choice to go, it was never actually defeated when it first showed itself back in season 3, it could take on the guise of anybody dead, so great to squeeze in any fallen cameos.. It also let the big bad be constantly interacting and taunting the gang and not just a boring super beast plotting from a lair for 20+ episodes :pac:

Mr.Nice Guy

Speaking of the big bads, who did people think was the best villain? My favourite was the Mayor, followed by Angel. Those would be my two favourite seasons.

Least favourite would be Dark Willow. Hated that whole storyline. Adam was a damp squib in the end too. Didn't like Glory but she did come across as a threat.

AulWan

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Speaking of the big bads, who did people think was the best villain? My favourite was the Mayor, followed by Angel. Those would be my two favourite seasons.

Least favourite would be Dark Willow. Hated that whole storyline. Adam was a damp squib in the end too. Didn't like Glory but she did come across as a threat.

The Mayor, definitely. Great witty character.

But the Master in Season One had some great lines.

Worst villain - Adam. Or was the villain there really Maggie?

gimli2112

Yeah the Mayor, faith was a great sub-villain that year. The final fight between herself and Buffy was fantastic for a pg-13 show.
Wasn't mad on evil Angel in Season 2 except the final showdown was awesome,
There is however no contest for best villain, it's Spike.

The White Wolf

If the show was made today then The Master would have been a multi season villain, but because of the uncertainty around a 2nd season they offed him.

The show was at its best when the villains were vampires so The Master, Angelus, Spike and Drusilla all deserve a shout.

Necro

Mr.Nice Guy wrote:

Speaking of the big bads, who did people think was the best villain? My favourite was the Mayor, followed by Angel. Those would be my two favourite seasons.

Angelus for me but it's very close.

From the turn of Angel right up to where she takes him out it was pretty perfect.

Then they mess things up by bringing him back when his ending was brilliant.

I know, I know there wouldn't have been the spin off without that but is that really the case? I'd have preferred the two going their own way after season 2, the return and subsequent 'will they won't they' felt a bit flat to me tbh.


To answer the OP's question it's always Buffy as the correct answer and it was never close.

Zero-Cool

I love how this has turned into a Buffy appreciation thread

Evil Angel FTW. Season 2 was goddamn perfect.

Also gonna start Veronica Mars from the mentions on here.

The White Wolf

Gotta say I can't class Spike as a villain. In season 5 alone the man is so loveable.

I think Drusilla takes precedence over him anyway if we're talking about true villains.

Troyaferd

The White Wolf wrote: »

Gotta say I can't class Spike as a villain. In season 5 alone the man is so loveable.

I think Drusilla takes precedence over him anyway if we're talking about true villains.

They where both great in Season 2.

Troyaferd

and I really liked Spike and also Drusilla as villains in Season 2.

Troyaferd

Zero-Cool wrote: »

Also gonna start Veronica Mars from the mentions on here.

It`s a really enjoyable series.

Troyaferd

Season 2 had the best Big Bads.

The White Wolf

Troyaferd wrote: »

Season 2 had the best Big Bads.

Trifecta of Angelus, Drusilla and Spike is indeed hard to beat. I'd rank them as number 1, while forlornly wishing we got the reality of the season 3 episode Doppelganger where the Master reigned supreme.

Edit i think that episode was in fact called the wish.

AulWan

I re-watched that episode only yesterday. Great episode.

The White Wolf

AulWan wrote: »

I re-watched that episode only yesterday. Great episode.

One of my own favourites as well! Season 3 was possibly the most enjoyable for me due to the scooby gang drama. The Zeppo is another classic episode for me.

TheValeyard

I actually thought the episode where Buffys mom died was one of the best. Really got you in the feels. Very good just good auld human being episode.

Zero-Cool

The White Wolf wrote: »

Trifecta of Angelus, Drusilla and Spike is indeed hard to beat. I'd rank them as number 1, while forlornly wishing we got the reality of the season 3 episode Doppelganger where the Master reigned supreme.

Edit i think that episode was in fact called the wish.

Goddamn how cool was vamp willow!!

what the hell!

I miss watching Buffy and Angel. I have the boxsets but no DVD player. Where is everyone watching good quality versions?

gimli2112

I have everything on DVD, I used to have Buffy on videotape. Can watch it via the PS4

what the hell!

gimli2112 wrote: »

I have everything on DVD, I used to have Buffy on videotape. Can watch it via the PS4

Got rid of the XBox unfortunately so I'm stuck.

AulWan

I have them saved on a hard drive in AVI format.

TheValeyard

AulWan wrote: »

I have them saved on a hard drive in AVI format.

This thread has made me start rewatching them on Prime Video.

Troyaferd

The White Wolf wrote: »

Trifecta of Angelus, Drusilla and Spike is indeed hard to beat. I'd rank them as number 1, while forlornly wishing we got the reality of the season 3 episode Doppelganger where the Master reigned supreme.

Edit i think that episode was in fact called the wish.

Right.

witchgirl26

Buffy obviously wins hands down.

I did like Charmed but found it more fluff watching than anything. I think the key difference for me is that in Charmed they were always seeming to chase the idea that having a boyfriend/husband & kids was the ideal and the ultimate goal whereas in Buffy it was very much about self-empowerment and understanding who you were as a person(/vampire). There were romances which were good to watch but they didn't necessarily define a character.

Troyaferd

Buffy the Vampire Slayer

Mr E

Mod: Stop bumping the thread, Troyaferd.

Niska

what the hell! wrote: »

I miss watching Buffy and Angel. I have the boxsets but no DVD player. Where is everyone watching good quality versions?

Re watching last few seasons (up to 'Conversations with dead people" last night) - they are on Amazon Prime.