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Best .17HMR ammo for foxes?

  • 15-01-2020 12:22pm
    #1
    Bosco22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18 ✭


    Has anyone used the Hornady .17HMR XTP 20Gr on foxes? Would it be a better bullet than the 17 Grain ballistic tip?


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  • #2
    Cass
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    I used them in my Savage rifle, as they only worked well in it, and they were as effective as the 17gr polymer tipped ones in my CZ. The thing i found about the hmr is shot placement is more important than the bullet.

    The bullets are small, don't carry much energy so anything bar a good head shot left me with runners. That includes heart shots. They ran with anything other than a head shot.
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  • #3
    Bosco22
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    Yeah I was just curious cause I had a runner last night with the 17 grain vmax. After I fired I thought I knocked him dead but as I walked over he was heading for the hills so I must of hit him low.


  • #4
    Cass
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    I ended up getting rid of my hmr, but i'm not advocating you do the same. For rabbits and other small vermin/game they were grand, but for Foxes i found myself spending hours tracking runners. To compensate i kept my shots to under 100 yards and head shots only.

    I preferred the 17gr tipped rounds due to better expansion, or at least i believed so as i've no data to show they are better or worse than the 20gr XTP.
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  • #5
    steyrman
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    Hi I’m using the 17 grain hornady in my cz I shot over 140 foxes in 2 months last season I still regard them as good as any of he rest I have tried


  • #6
    Rows Grower
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    steyrman wrote: »
    Hi I’m using the 17 grain hornady in my cz I shot over 140 foxes in 2 months last season I still regard them as good as any of he rest I have tried

    That's a lot of foxes, you must be covering an awful lot of square miles.

    Fair play, that is dedication.

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  • #7
    Bosco22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18 ✭Bosco22


    steyrman wrote: »
    Hi I’m using the 17 grain hornady in my cz I shot over 140 foxes in 2 months last season I still regard them as good as any of he rest I have tried

    Jesus some shooting!


  • #8
    minktrapper
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    steyrman wrote: »
    Hi I’m using the 17 grain hornady in my cz I shot over 140 foxes in 2 months last season I still regard them as good as any of he rest I have tried

    At what kind of distance are you shooting them mostly at.


  • #9
    Boredstiff666
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    Cass wrote: »
    I ended up getting rid of my hmr, but i'm not advocating you do the same. For rabbits and other small vermin/game they were grand, but for Foxes i found myself spending hours tracking runners. To compensate i kept my shots to under 100 yards and head shots only.

    Would the .22 wmr be better than the .17 at same ranges?


  • #10
    Bosco22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18 ✭Bosco22


    Boredstiff666 wrote: »
    Would the .22 wmr be better than the .17 at same ranges?

    The .22 wmr would hit harder but wouldn’t travel as fast from what I’ve read. Never owned one so can’t say really.


  • #11
    Blaser1982
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20 ✭Blaser1982


    Bosco22 wrote: »
    Has anyone used the Hornady .17HMR XTP 20Gr on foxes? Would it be a better bullet than the 17 Grain ballistic tip?

    The 20g hollow point by hornady are excellent for use on foxes but group differently in rifles. Grouped excellent in my cz455 but not as good in the new t1x.


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  • #12
    minktrapper
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    Blaser1982 wrote: »
    The 20g hollow point by hornady are excellent for use on foxes but group differently in rifles. Grouped excellent in my cz455 but not as good in the new t1x.

    What kind of range do they have.


  • #13
    Vizzy
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    minktrapper wrote: »
    What kind of range do they have.

    Mate shot a fox stone dead last Friday at 128m (Headshot)


  • #14
    minktrapper
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    Vizzy wrote: »
    Mate shot a fox stone dead last Friday at 128m (Headshot)

    That wouldn't be very hard. What kind of killing power would they have for a behind the shoulder shot.


  • #15
    270WIN
    Closed Accounts Posts: 213 ✭✭270WIN


    I found the 17 grain TNT CCI hollow points lethal on foxes. I thought it had more knockdown power than the 17 grain ballistic tips. Its a pity that I cant get them anymore.It was also the most accurate in my CZ.


  • #16
    Vizzy
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    minktrapper wrote: »
    That wouldn't be very hard. What kind of killing power would they have for a behind the shoulder shot.

    About the same, or a bit further I would think.


  • #17
    Boredstiff666
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    Bosco22 wrote: »
    The .22 wmr would hit harder but wouldn’t travel as fast from what I’ve read. Never owned one so can’t say really.

    Yeah a .50 would hit harder than a .308 but not travel as fast.

    So which one at a hundred or so meters would be best?


  • #18
    Sika98k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 555 ✭✭✭Sika98k


    Simples, get a 223/22/250 / 243. All good fox calibers.


  • #19
    Boredstiff666
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    Sika98k wrote: »
    Simples, get a 223/22/250 / 243. All good fox calibers.

    I dont know how far a .17 or a .22wmr will kill at. But I have seen vids where a .22lr will kill at a longer range than you can shoot it accurately.

    So really the smaller calibers of .17, .22wmr are ok at up to 100 - 150 yards with placement and cost pennies.

    The argument about which is best at that range I still have trouble understanding because as I said earlier that a .50 is a slow heavier bullet than others.

    The other calibers are ok if you have nothing around you I suppose.


  • #20
    DogfoxCork
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    just get a .223 and save all that wondering of, Will it be enough to drop it humanely? Unless you have a perfect opportunity for a headshot you're just guessing if it will do the job. if you have to ask the question then you probably already know the answer. have shot a few fox with my hmr in the head sub 100 and they've dropped on the spot, ive shot a few heart/lung and they've run off, no doubt to die in the next field or parish. which is why i don't have the hmr for fox.


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