Why some people think 9/11 was an inside job
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R J Lee quote them above. WTC event produced
Mick West has dedicated a significant amount of time examining this topic
However, despite this dedication, he failed to acknowledge a crucial piece of evidence that undermines his stance. R J Lee, a prominent figure in the field, made the claim that the fires were hot and that they produced combustion-modified products during the fire event.
Mick, from what I have observed, has not conducted an experiment that demonstrates conclusively how all the melted material occurred before the collapse. Instead, his focus has been on alternative explanations, such as sparks, flint, bic lighters, and torches cutting steel slabs, which are all considered low probability events or showing findings that occurred after the collapse started or were found in the debris pile.
Again any Fire that would be Melting Steel and Iron would be more hotter than what official narratives says.I question the official narrative because it does not make any sense at all. The NIST theories on it raise even more doubts.
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I do not accuse the R. J. Lee Group of fraud or being part of the conspiracy, as I believe that their assessments of 9/11 are based on logical reasoning and what they saw on television, just like everyone else. It is important to acknowledge that individuals may have different perspectives and interpretations based on their own experiences and observations.
R J Lee group theory states that the extreme heat generated by the fires, coupled with the prolonged exposure to the extreme temperatures, caused the creation of iron microspheres.
Why is this important?
The importance of the R J Lee assumption lies in its contradiction to the findings of the NIST study. While the NIST investigation ruled out any melting of Iron or Steel during the WTC fires, Lee argues that these fires reached temperatures significantly hotter than 1000 degrees Celsius and of melting happened when the buildings were on fire.
If Lee's theory is correct, it means that the fires could have reached higher temperatures than previously believed, potentially altering the structural integrity of the WTC buildings. The problem that no one has so far approached is the clear differences in how view the fires at the World Trade Center. Both R J Lee group and NIST have their own perspectives on the events that took place that day, and the discrepancies between those views have not gone unnoticed. It is worth noting that debunkers, who typically approach this topic from a non-conspiratorial point of view, are the ideal candidates for addressing this issue.
Instead. Debunkers have been arguing over nonsense for years on forums and YouTube. Their goal seems to be trying to find ways to create iron microspheres by other means that are considered legitimate, but they have completely ignored the fact that a mainstream group investigating the Dust phenomenon has stated that the iron was melted during the time the towers were standing.
Debunkers of the 9/11 conspiracy theory often dismiss the conspiracy version due to the lack of a play-by-play account of how the it was done However, they ignore significant clues shown on the day of the attacks, such as the red/yellow liquid pouring out of the South Tower 60 seconds before its collapse.
I am still amazed that twenty years later, people still have not grasped the fact that they are witnessing a melting event on video.
The footage shows a liquid pouring out of the window, a clear indication that something is amiss. Yet, instead of taking this obvious evidence into account, many continue to argue about steel losing strength causing the collapses and other issues.
South tower. Liquid is pouring out.
For the past two decades, there has been a growing movement in the debunking community that seeks to dismiss various anomalies that have been witnessed. This behavior can be attributed to the fact that the reality behind these anomalies is actually quite scary for them. These anomalies include contradictory evidence, witness testimonies, and scientific evidence that suggest alternative narratives to the widely accepted version of events. Instead of embracing these anomalies and seeking a deeper understanding of them, many debunkers have dismissed them as false or exaggerated.
The reluctance to accept these anomalies can be attributed to the fear of what is really going on.
Another myth that is often perpetuated is that multiple investigations have shown fire to be the cause of the collapse of the Twin Towers. However, this is incorrect. The only investigation that has ever been conducted was carried out by the mainstream NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology) with some help from the ASCE (American Society of Civil Engineers). Outside of that, nobody else has touched it since.
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For two or three days, some of you have been claiming that there has been a firefighting effort at Building 7, despite evidence to the contrary being presented. Despite this fact, you continue to write posts about the "waffling" of the truth. It is a direct upload from the NIST website, and it has not been altered or edited by any third-party sources. Highlighted quote in red)The false claims surrounding the Silverstein story have been thoroughly debunked
You say a lot of stuff makes no sense I said that the R.J. Lee Group mainstream view is that fires brought down the building. Once again, you have exhibited a penchant for fabricating information and distorting facts to suit your narrative.
In your recent response, you engaged in a pattern of circular deflection and twisting of words. It is difficult to determine why you are engaging in such behavior. I clearly stated that the RJ Lee study is relevant because they believe that the WTC fires were hot enough to melt steel and iron, while NIST does not. Instead of acknowledging this fact, you accused me of saying RJ Lee based their analysis solely on TV footage. It is unfortunate that you chose to engage in such tactics rather than engage in a meaningful dialogue.
Gave the links to let anyone read and refute them, but instead, they prefer to engage in postings that claim that I said this or that. This behavior goes beyond a mere difference of opinion and enters the realm of "crazy person" level.
I am not accusing R. J. Lee of anything, as their study focuses on certain particles found in the dust of the Liberty building in New York following the collapse of 9/11. Their research does not delve into the mechanism that caused the Twin Towers to collapse.
Missing evidence in criminal investigations often depends on various factors, such as the level of extra scope given to investigators to bother even looking into a particular event. RJ Lee Group is a respected and prominent material forensic consulting firm. It is not known whether the company has investigated conspiracy theories surrounding the 9/11 attacks. In order to gain a genuine understanding of R J Lee's groupthink, it is essential to engage in a direct conversation with individual members of the group. This approach involves presenting evidence, such as what I have presented here to them, and opening a dialogue that encourages individuals to share their thoughts and perspectives.
The aftermath of 9/11 saw a backlash against those who expressed skepticism or alternative narratives about the events. Many individuals, particularly those in the teaching profession, have been subjected to various forms of retribution for voicing their support or alternative perspectives. Engaging in an online discussion to challenge the NIST views is not a straightforward endeavor. The prospect of an R. J. Lee Group online discussion challenging NIST views may seem appealing, but it is important to recognize the challenges that such a discussion may face. Contracts may involve collaborations with government agencies or organizations that align with NIST's views. Engaging in discussions that challenge these established perspectives may jeopardize the group's access to contracts and funding sources. The world is not as simple as everyone is willing to openly discuss their inner thoughts. There are valid reasons why individuals may be reluctant to share their thoughts openly online.
Judy Wood is the only individual on this planet to claim that the World Trade Center towers were demolished by space laser weapons. Despite the lack of evidence to support her theory, there are an estimated 4,000 architects and engineers who read the Nist report, primarily from the United States, who signed a petition expressing their belief that the buildings were destroyed in a controlled demolition.
We have substantial forensic evidence indicating a controlled demolition at Building 7 and some kind of partial chemical-type substance was used in the demolition of the World Trade Center Twin Towers. This evidence is based on eyewitness accounts of seeing liquid steel that turned molten, meteor-looking rocks that fused from the heat, the pulverization of concrete and office furnishings, the freefall at Building 7, the liquid of material pouring out through a broken gap in the south tower, and we also have an audio tracks that could be an explosion. Additionally, the building reports, which were commissioned by the US government authorities, are clearly incomplete and full of omissions and lies.
Furthermore, the fact that the entire building was destroyed (building 7) and disappeared after the event adds further fuel to the controversy. This scenario is unprecedented in the history of steel-framed buildings. No previous steel-framed building has ever collapsed due to a fire, and none of them have ever completely vanished after the event. The absence of physical evidence ( NIST got there in 2002 to investigate) and the unique circumstances surrounding the collapse call into question the official narrative
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Ruppert's teaching methodology is based on the principle that he uses known materials from commercial demolitions. To postulate that chemical explosives were utilized in the WTC 1 and 2 destruction, it is essential to acknowledge the extensive planning and organization that must have taken place. It is evident that the Twin Towers were not simply brought down by a few individuals acting spontaneously.
I believe they used experimental RD-level-grade nanothermite explosives and placed them on the steel would result in a vastly different work process than what is typically observed on a commercial demolition site. If this was also they utilized, it should not have taken two years to be in the Twin Towers planting it. Nano-thermite explosives rely on a chemical reaction.
There are squibs, or small explosions, emitting from below the Twin Towers as it collapsed. What we actually show from that? Again, I am basing my analysis solely on what is currently known, and there is no evidence of explosive material in the dust, to the best of my knowledge. However, there is evidence of chemicals present here when liquid iron was discovered, which indicates that something inside the building was altering the steel and Iron.
What people rarely discuss is the reason behind the increasing intensity of the fires at the Twin Towers, what caused this change, and why it is higher than the reported temperature of 1,000 degrees Celsius claimed by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST).
Paper on it from 2000 (not conspiracy but mainstream)https://str.llnl.gov/content/pages/past-issues-pdfs/2000.10.pdf
A Chemical professor in Denmark discovered a similar nano scale type thermite in WTC dust, is extremely interesting despite denials on its authenticity
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Debunkers come in various shapes and forms, but regardless of their background or motivations, they often share a common trait: a tendency to dismiss or ignore evidence contrary to their beliefs or agendas.
NIST clearly has not a clue because this actual WTC steel on the back of the lorry on 9/11 clearly shows signs of melting.
The Red underlined part shows they is lying again.
Upload from R j Lee group report
Despite highlighting the problem, debunkers still can't seem to grasp its significance. It's evident that they lack the necessary comprehension to address the underlying issue effectively.
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Television footage, with its visual content, has the potential to significantly influence our beliefs. When individuals view television footage of planes hitting buildings and causing flames and fire, it triggers a series of cognitive processes in the brain. The visual information is processed, interpreted, and stored in memory. On that fateful day, news channels broadcast extensive coverage of the events, providing viewers with real-time updates and analysis. It is understandable that individuals may have formed their perspectives on what happened based on the information they witnessed through these channels.
Yet, by carefully examining the available evidence, we can identify discrepancies, inconsistencies, or gaps in the official story. Pointing out flaws in the official narrative is not a conspiracy or extreme act. Rather, it is a necessary and valid exercise in critical thinking.
The melting inside the buildings during the 9/11 attacks raises important questions about the official hypothesis that planes knocked off fireproofing and caused the floor trusses to sag and pull at the box columns, ultimately leading to the collapse. This alternative hypothesis paints an entirely different picture of what caused the towers to collapse.
However, the presence of melting inside the buildings undermines this theory.
This report presents an analysis of the background of iron microspheres in the World Trade Center towers and other buildings prior to the 9/11 attacks. The analysis focuses on the detection of newly formed iron microspheres in the dust samples collected after the attack. The findings suggest a significant increase in the formation of iron microspheres, with levels approximately 150 times greater than those found in previous studies.
R J Lee explains here
The iron microspheres before and after the Twin Towers fires were examined to determine the percentage difference between the two samples. The background Iron Microspheres were present when the building was constructed, resulting from the welding and construction of the materials
TP-01 refers to the percentage ratio of iron microspheres in the WTC dust after the collapse. The percentage ratio of iron microspheres was determined by analyzing the WTC dust samples collected before the 9/11 attacks. The background WTC dust/FE Sphere before the attack was 0.04.
.The significance of the finding of a 150-fold increase in iron microsphere formation during the fires at the World Trade Center (WTC) is undeniable. This anomaly suggests that there was something present that caused the iron and steel to melt. The presence of iron microspheres in the debris suggests that the towers were not completely destroyed by the impact of the planes and subsequent fires, but rather by an additional mechanism.
The argument that this finding is insignificant or irrelevant is unconvincing. It is indeed a significant forensic clue that points towards a potential cause of the towers' collapse. The formation of iron microspheres indicates that there was molten material present, which contradicts the official narrative that the towers were brought down solely by the structural damage caused by the impact and fire.
The extreme temperatures required to melt steel and Iron far exceed the temperatures that can be generated by conventional combustion processes in buildings that predominately deal with banks and financial institutions.
Mick West's ( popular 9/11 guy debunker who owns meta bunk) experiment in replicating the Iron microspheres in his garage has garnered attention, yet it is lacking in scientific rigor and fails to accurately represent the actual process of creating these particles during the fire at the Twin Towers.
The floor truss slabbing is made of concrete and is designed to hold the weight of the building and provide a stable foundation. If the steel and iron in the Twin Towers melted, it would exert intense heat on the concrete slabbing too. Without the concrete slabs, the floor trusses would no longer be supported, and the building would collapse. load-bearing component, melting, is actually very bad. The sagging of exterior walls due to melting steel floor trusses can have serious consequences.
Finally
According to NIST, the maximum heat reached in the Twin Towers during the 9/11 attacks was approximately 1,000 degrees Celsius. However, this statement has raised concerns about the accuracy of the findings.
The heat within the towers actually melted iron and steel, which suggests that the temperatures were much higher than what NIST reported. It is evident that there is an error or discrepancy in the data. Regarding the temperature, it is important to note that a 500-degree fire can appear hot to human perception, but it does not automatically equate to extreme heat.
Fireproofing is said to have been knocked off as a theory by the official collapse people, claiming that the ASTM-grade 36 steel should not sag or soften for at least 2 to 4 hours. However, the theory is deemed untestable due to the fact that much of the fireproofing was dislodged during the collapse itself."Even if the fireproofing was knocked off, the heat from jet fuel wouldn't melt steel or iron."
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