House with no driveway, on-street parking - what to do?

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118882378#Comment_118882378

Too much carrot, not enough stick. Was it really a good use of limited Government resources to subsidise €60k-€100k cars, that are already going to get reduced motor tax and free refuelling on the streets?

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118856767#Comment_118856767

That’s great to hear nowadays as they wouldn’t cover it before.

Have you received the grant back yet?

Cyrus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118884405#Comment_118884405

Yes it was, if it meant that the purchaser of a 60-100k car chose an EV instead of a diesel which was the whole point of it. That purchaser has most likely paid a whole lot of income tax as well so i wouldnt begrudge them a small discount on their new car. And the vast majority of EV owners charge at home not on the streets.

You need to think beyond they have enough money already why should they get an incentive, we should be trying to incentivise EVs across the board, and todays new 60k car is tomorrows 4 year old 25k car.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118884704#Comment_118884704

We should go the other and further penalise high value diesel and petrol cars. If you can afford a €60k car, you can afford to pay for it yourself. It's not the role of the State to subsidise private cars further.

...Ghost...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118885776#Comment_118885776

The tax incentive got more EVs on the road. Not everyone wanted a Zoe, or a Leaf. Better for you cycling behind an EV than a dirty diesel.

Cyrus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118885776#Comment_118885776

We already penalise cars more than most countries with taxation. Incentivising an electric alternative was clever , taking it away not so much.

you are missing the point that the end user would have spent the same amount anyway the incentive might push them to an EV.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118885848#Comment_118885848

We really don't. We subsidise motoring in general, providing vast amounts of public space to car owners, mostly at no charge. We all share the extensive costs of regulating motorists, whether we drive or not. We all share the healthcare costs of the impacts of toxic pollution. And we all share the extensive climate impacts of private car motorists.

There's no way we should be subsidising private cars for high earners.

Cyrus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118899442#Comment_118899442

i disagree, if they are going to be driving anyway, it would be better if they purchased a new EV, we should encourage that.

slave1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118899442#Comment_118899442

High earners pay considerable taxes, we should not discriminate like suggested.

...Ghost...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118899442#Comment_118899442

You too then are subsidised as a motorist as you have told us you are also a motorist. Each time you start the engine in your car, you pollute the air with toxic chemicals and particulates and cause illness, driving up healthcare costs. Unless of course you drive a battery electric vehicle? I haven't seen you claim to be an EV owner, so I assume it's Dino juice powering your engine.

EVs don't pump toxic fumes from a tailpipe. I'm alright with subsidising more EV purchases if it means more ICE vehicles are off the road.

yer man!

The Netherlands has had this problem for years, I'm living in the Ranstad and unless your house is worth over a million it's likely you are parking on the street here. The EVs just charge at a public charger at the end of the street or at work. My neighbours said it works for them as there are an abundance of chargers. Doesn't always work out and there are a few people that chance charging from the house across the footpath but not many.

Killer K

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118900971#Comment_118900971

How would this discrimination as you see it work in practice? I am genuinely interested to see your logic.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118901268#Comment_118901268

Yes, I'm an ICE owner and occasional driver. My next vehicle will undoubtedly be an EV, but the most environmental thing that I can do right now is minimise the environmental cost of disposal of my current vehicle and manufacture of my new vehicle. EVs don't emit toxic fumes from tailpipes, but they do emit toxic dust from their brake pads and toxic rubber particles from their tyres. EVs are not good for the environment, they are less bad in running than ICE, but still have a heavy environmental price in manufacture and disposal.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118900971#Comment_118900971

So we should do away with all kinds of means testing them - medical cards, fuel allowance, SUSI student supports? We wouldn't want to be discriminating against middle and high earners, right?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118899479#Comment_118899479

There's a difference between 'encouraging' and 'subsidising'. We're on the wrong side of that fence, subsidising expensive new cars for private use, while public transport and sustainable travel is crying out for more investment.

...Ghost...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118906696#Comment_118906696

Most of the braking in an EV is done regeneratively and only a portion is done with the pads, usually at very low speeds. My 2012 Leaf just recently had front pads replaced. They were the original factory pads. My 2014 Leaf is still on original pass with plenty of wear left. Your bicycle tyres also spew out rubber particulates, so unless you want to walk barefoot, you'll need to accept that it's better to have an EV replace an ICE which is far more damaging to health and environment. I like the environmental credentials of EV, but I choose EV for other reasons.

However, if you're that concerned about pollution and particulates, then why drive at all. Public transport is available to you.

Cyrus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118906696#Comment_118906696

Like I said you are missing the point people will buy new cars anywhere better we divert that money to Evs