Februdairy to Meaty March

TooOldBoots

Its 2020,
Subway have just released vegan version of the Meatball Marinara
Vegan marinara

Micky d's, KFC, Burger King all have similar offerings on the way.
I originally thought that it would take a 100 years or more before meat was gone from our diets. But I think it's happening a lot sooner. The whole movement is gaining traction and investment.
How can Irish farming embrace this when we are more or less 90-100% grassland farming. To me the future isn't bright at all

Lady Haywire

I noticed ads previos to this, got one today- both because I found the actual meat marinara was too filling & just to see what it was like.
My opinion- crap basically. Not as fulfilling or tasty as the veggie patty (which is my main go to) Too crumply, too dry.

I'm sure it's for someone, just not me.

yosemitesam1

TooOldBoots wrote: »

Its 2020,
Subway have just released vegan version of the Meatball Marinara
Vegan marinara

Micky d's, KFC, Burger King all have similar offerings on the way.
I originally thought that it would take a 100 years or more before meat was gone from our diets. But I think it's happening a lot sooner. The whole movement is gaining traction and investment.
How can Irish farming embrace this when we are more or less 90-100% grassland farming. To me the future isn't bright at all

Beef will be the health food of the future, all this plant based bs will only be able to be pushed so far before the health claims are found out as totally wrong and the negative effects of plant based diets become apparent

Say my name

People got hooked on tobacco because of it's addictiveness and peer pressure of wanting to fit in. It took a while for the health problems to surface to swing the other way.

This will be no different.

Sheep have to always follow something.

Imagine turning away from a diet that allowed this species to evolve and use tools and become what we are. There's no telling people.

Dinzee Conlee

Will near always have some market?

Similar to organic having a market - some people are willing to pay more for a similar product, albeit done differently.
I see meat always being in demand, by some people...

Now, this does mean that the higher end of the market will be in demand, chasing lower end markets for meat (which we seem to do) might not be the best strategy...

But, I’m also terrible at calling the future

gozunda

TooOldBoots wrote: »

Its 2020,
...
Micky d's, KFC, Burger King all have similar offerings on the way.
I originally thought that it would take a 100 years or more before meat was gone from our diets. But I think it's happening a lot sooner. The whole movement is gaining traction and investment.
How can Irish farming embrace this when we are more or less 90-100% grassland farming. To me the future isn't bright at all

That's not food - its highly processed crap.

Bizarre that not long ago the whole vegan thing was being pushed as a healthy wholefood diet - now its look at all this lovely procesed crap made with additives and god knows what.

A bit odd no ?

Fads go in cycles. This one is busted ...

little bit of help

Just read in the paper the Burger King meatless burger isn't suitable for vegetarians or vegans as it is cooked in the same grill/fryer as the meat ones.

Reckon a lot of teenagers w ho go vegan/vegetarian now will suffer down the road as this food isn't really healthy at all. Over processed and full of crap. I like the odd veg quarter pounder but at least I can recognise the chopped up veg in it!

Say my name

I was nearly going to call veganism for what it is a religion and I was nearly going to drop the veganism name for Hinduism.

But lucky I didn't as veganism is more extreme than Hinduism.
Anyway as ye were.

whelan2

little bit of help wrote: »

Just read in the paper the Burger King meatless burger isn't suitable for vegetarians or vegans as it is cooked in the same grill/fryer as the meat ones.

Reckon a lot of teenagers w ho go vegan/vegetarian now will suffer down the road as this food isn't really healthy at all. Over processed and full of crap. I like the odd veg quarter pounder but at least I can recognise the chopped up veg in it!

Was just going to say this. Subway etc all the other food is prepared the same way. Ha remember a salad burger years ago was so cool

TooOldBoots

I think theres more to it than just a fad. Plus it seems that the media are pushing an anti meat agenda too. Ether way it looks here to stay

gozunda

TooOldBoots wrote: »

I think theres more to it than just a fad. Plus it seems that the media are pushing an anti meat agenda too. Ether way it looks here to stay

Yeah like margarine was once the greatest thing since sliced bread - now butter is back on the menu.

https://thetakeout.com/i-can-believe-it-s-not-butter-the-rise-and-fall-of-mar-1821824760

Paid for feature Newspapers - such as the Guardian etc don't really lend the plant food industry promotion of their highly processed products any credence tbh.

Eitherway it's still highly processed glupe...

_Brian

gozunda wrote: »

That's not food - its highly processed crap.

Bizarre that not long ago the whole vegan thing was being pushed as a healthy wholefood diet - now its look at all this lovely procesed crap made with additives and god knows what.

A bit odd no ?

Fads go in cycles. This one is busted ...

It’s being monitised by the multinationals. Highly processed fancy packaged muck is the way they muscle in on this ideology to suck money out of it.

In a small way I feel sorry for Vegans, their ideology has been hijacked, pumped up on false science reports paid for by vested interests, but they can’t see it, they think their time has come, but the stark truth is they are being conned.

It’s a highly profitable junk food based ideology now, mashed up, mixed and fermented in vats in industrial estates using ingredients with no known history or research into long term consumption effects.

I know one person since they became an ethical vegan maybe 35years ago. She is hopping mad at the turn to processed foods rather than straight foods cooked from ingredients that the vegan movement once stood for.

Xcellor

_Brian wrote: »

It’s being monitised by the multinationals. Highly processed fancy packaged muck is the way they muscle in on this ideology to suck money out of it.

In a small way I feel sorry for Vegans, their ideology has been hijacked, pumped up on false science reports paid for by vested interests, but they can’t see it, they think their time has come, but the stark truth is they are being conned.

It’s a highly profitable junk food based ideology now, mashed up, mixed and fermented in vats in industrial estates using ingredients with no known history or research into long term consumption effects.

I know one person since they became an ethical vegan maybe 35years ago. She is hopping mad at the turn to processed foods rather than straight foods cooked from ingredients that the vegan movement once stood for.

I think it's about choice. There was zero choice for processed muck for those eating plant based diets. Now there's processed muck. Progress eh?

A vegan diet made up this or a traditional diet made up of meat based/dairy is equally as bad. McChicken or Mc Chickenless

There is evidence that a whole food plant based diet is beneficial and even health promoting this is very different from a plant based diet full of this type of stuff.

_Brian

Xcellor wrote: »

I think it's about choice. There was zero choice for processed muck for those eating plant based diets. Now there's processed muck. Progress eh?

A vegan diet made up this or a traditional diet made up of meat based/dairy is equally as bad. McChicken or Mc Chickenless

There is evidence that a whole food plant based diet is beneficial and even health promoting this is very different from a plant based diet full of this type of stuff.

Nobody should be thinking processed foods can make up a significant portion of their diet and it be a healthy choice, that goes for all sides of the meat/meat free debate.

If my food is going to be processed I’d opt to do the processing myself, or know the person personally who did it.

My big problem is adding more hyper processed foods and then shouting about how it’s such a healthy choice, this is nothing but marketing spin and lies by manufacturers to sell more produce.

If humans aren’t eating a massively wide range of foods which are near all cooked from raw ingredients then their diet isn’t healthy.

Xcellor

_Brian wrote: »

Nobody should be thinking processed foods can make up a significant portion of their diet and it be a healthy choice, that goes for all sides of the meat/meat free debate.

If my food is going to be processed I’d opt to do the processing myself, or know the person personally who did it.

My big problem is adding more hyper processed foods and then shouting about how it’s such a healthy choice, this is nothing but marketing spin and lies by manufacturers to sell more produce.

If humans aren’t eating a massively wide range of foods which are near all cooked from raw ingredients then their diet isn’t healthy.

I agree. But to be honest I think it's more the media that try and say vegan is automatically assumed to be healthy. It can be - very easily, without the need for any processed food. An impossible burger or whatever is supposed to taste like a regular beef patty. It's fatty and has salt etc it's not a side salad by any means.

If you take a real veggie burger which is just mushed up veggies and beans . It's nothing like a burger as most people are used to..

_Brian

Xcellor wrote: »

I agree. But to be honest I think it's more the media that try and say vegan is automatically assumed to be healthy. It can be - very easily, without the need for any processed food. An impossible burger or whatever is supposed to taste like a regular beef patty. It's fatty and has salt etc it's not a side salad by any means.

If you take a real veggie burger which is just mushed up veggies and beans . It's nothing like a burger as most people are used to..

Not just a media thing.
All over social media there is hype from individuals about the wonderful range of hyper processed vegan foods now available amd how they are a great healthy choice, while being environmentally friendly. Produced in foreign countries in industrial processes from products that themselves are not environmentally friendly to farm or manufacture.

It really is a case of the emperors new clothes. Everyone is saying they are great because either that suits s their doctrine or because some silly celeb says so. They haven’t yet woken up to the muck they are eating and endorsing nor the damage it will do to them and the environment.

And I’m not saying all meat or dairy products are good. Much is intensively farmed to the detriment of the environment and animal welfare, it’s sometimes processed into god awful foods loaded with fats and salts. I think if American feedlots making ground beef, of a dairy farm in New York with 5000 cows fed on bums and bread waste and expected lifetime of 3 years. These are all wrong. But because these are wrong doesn’t mean meat and dairy products are all bad. They are an essential part of the human diet in their correct forms and proportions. Particularly Irish farming systems keep animals at pasture for long periods, more needs to be done for poultry and pig farms to move animals out with sky above them and soil below them.

I really take an impartial view and don’t let my love for farming taint my view, farming has problems, problems that can be solved and going by current trends they are being solved. Shortening supply chains, consumers seeking less intensive farming produce.

Xcellor

_Brian wrote: »

Not just a media thing.
All over social media there is hype from individuals about the wonderful range of hyper processed vegan foods now available amd how they are a great healthy choice, while being environmentally friendly. Produced in foreign countries in industrial processes from products that themselves are not environmentally friendly to farm or manufacture.

It really is a case of the emperors new clothes. Everyone is saying they are great because either that suits s their doctrine or because some silly celeb says so. They haven’t yet woken up to the muck they are eating and endorsing nor the damage it will do to them and the environment.

And I’m not saying all meat or dairy products are good. Much is intensively farmed to the detriment of the environment and animal welfare, it’s sometimes processed into god awful foods loaded with fats and salts. I think if American feedlots making ground beef, of a dairy farm in New York with 5000 cows fed on bums and bread waste and expected lifetime of 3 years. These are all wrong. But because these are wrong doesn’t mean meat and dairy products are all bad. They are an essential part of the human diet in their correct forms and proportions. Particularly Irish farming systems keep animals at pasture for long periods, more needs to be done for poultry and pig farms to move animals out with sky above them and soil below them.

I really take an impartial view and don’t let my love for farming taint my view, farming has problems, problems that can be solved and going by current trends they are being solved. Shortening supply chains, consumers seeking less intensive farming produce.

I can agree the less processing food undergoes the more nutritious it is - whole foods with the least amount of refinement as possible.

I don't agree that animal products are an essential part of the human diet though. If they were essential vegetarians and vegans would be dying out but they aren't. The evidence is strong enough that exclusively plant based diets are so healthy they are endorsed by dieticians + health bodies globally.

So while meat and dairy can form part of a balanced diet they aren't required to be healthy.

_Brian

Xcellor wrote: »

I can agree the less processing food undergoes the more nutritious it is - whole foods with the least amount of refinement as possible.

I don't agree that animal products are an essential part of the human diet though. If they were essential vegetarians and vegans would be dying out but they aren't. The evidence is strong enough that exclusively plant based diets are so healthy they are endorsed by dieticians + health bodies globally.

So while meat and dairy can form part of a balanced diet they aren't required to be healthy.

I’ll respectfully disagree.
Speaking to nutritionist on this and bioavailability of protein for example is found essentially nowhere in plants like it is in animal products. It’s what the human digestive system evolved to eat and still our most complete source.

I’m Not saying you can’t produce a vegan funded “scientific report” supporting otherwise. I appreciate vegans are happy to compromise on these issues because of their belief system, it would actually add more credibility to their position if they acknowledged that and the need to supplement the likes of B12 because their chosen restrictive diet can’t provide it.

gozunda

Xcellor wrote: »

I think it's about choice. There was zero choice for processed muck for those eating plant based diets. Now there's processed muck. Progress eh?

A vegan diet made up this or a traditional diet made up of meat based/dairy is equally as bad. McChicken or Mc Chickenless

There is evidence that a whole food plant based diet is beneficial and even health promoting this is very different from a plant based diet full of this type of stuff

A traditional balanced healthy diet of meat, dairy, vegetables etc remains very much a recommended diet. It is not comparable to any diet - plant based or otherwise full of these highly processed products.

And unfortunately it seems thats what many of these companies are pushing. I would hope that vegans as much as those who enjoy a traditional balanced diet would stand against this extreme industrialisation of food.

gozunda

gozunda wrote: »

A traditional balanced healthy diet of meat, dairy, vegetables etc remains very much a recommended diet. It is not comparable to any diet - plant based or otherwise full of these highly processed products.

And unfortunately it seems thats what many of these companies are pushing. I would hope that vegans as much as those who enjoy a traditional balanced diet would stand against this extreme industrialisation of food.

You can be plant based and avoid processed foods easily enough.

In terms of a balanced diet the updated food pyramid would put red meat just below sweats and treats. Milk and cheese are nutritious but surely organic options there are best using purely grass based systems. A lot of dairy in Ireland is supplemented with meal containing gm soya based meal from South America.

I think people should be given access to cleaner produce marketed accordingly. Be it organic meat, dairy or alternative options.

Vegan burgers that don't contain flavour enhancers or msg etc aren't processed muck.

The fast food vegan burger has been proven to contain more salt etc. But fast food is muck regardless of the type.

I see a lot of processed muck in the freezer ailse of the supermarket with frozen beef burgers that have flavour enhancers etc.

_Brian

Deleted User wrote: »

You can be plant based and avoid processed foods easily enough.

In terms of a balanced diet the updated food pyramid would put red meat just below sweats and treats. Milk and cheese are nutritious but surely organic options there are best using purely grass based systems. A lot of dairy in Ireland is supplemented with meal containing gm soya based meal from South America.

I think people should be given access to cleaner produce marketed accordingly. Be it organic meat, dairy or alternative options.

Vegan burgers that don't contain flavour enhancers or msg etc aren't processed muck.

The fast food vegan burger has been proven to contain more salt etc. But fast food is muck regardless of the type.

I see a lot of processed muck in the freezer ailse of the supermarket with frozen beef burgers that have flavour enhancers etc.

You criticise farmers for feeding gm soy to cows.
But not the fake burgers for using gm soy to feed to people.

Much of the soy fed to animals is byproduct of human food processes.

_Brian

_Brian wrote: »

You criticise farmers for feeding gm soy to cows.
But not the fake burgers for using gm soy to feed to people.

Much of the soy fed to animals is byproduct of human food processes.

I never mentioned fake burgers, what ever they are.

For me meat and dairy coming out of Ireland fed on grass and conentrates (not imported from South America) from Ireland should fetch a premium.

Meat and diary fed on soya and maize from the other side of the world should not receive this label.

emaherx

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I never mentioned fake burgers, what ever they are.

For me meat and dairy coming out of Ireland fed on grass and conentrates (not imported from South America) from Ireland should fetch a premium.

Meat and diary fed on soya and maize from the other side of the world should not receive this label.

Contrary to popular belife very little of the diet of beef or dairy cows actually comes from soya from South America. Cattle here are more than 80% grass fed, most imported soya comes from US but that doesn't even make up all imported ingredients for concentrates as most comes from UK France and Eastern Europe as well as grown here in Ireland and by the time all the pigs and poultry are fed the percentage gm soy in cattle feed is fairly low.

“It is estimated that 96% of the diet on a fresh matter basis and 82% on a dry matter basis of the typical Irish cow diet comes from forage,”

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/farming/better-milk-from-our-96-grass-fed-irish-cows-882529.html

yosemitesam1

[Deleted User] wrote: »

In terms of a balanced diet the updated food pyramid would put red meat just below sweats and treats. Milk and cheese are nutritious but surely organic options there are best using purely grass based systems.

It's perfectly possible to live 100% off of meat and dairy with nothing else and be in the best of health

gozunda

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You can be plant based and avoid processed foods easily enough.

In terms of a balanced diet the updated food pyramid would put red meat just below sweats and treats. Milk and cheese are nutritious but surely organic options there are best using purely grass based systems. A lot of dairy in Ireland is supplemented with meal containing gm soya based meal from South America.
I think people should be given access to cleaner produce marketed accordingly. Be it organic meat, dairy or alternative options.
Vegan burgers that don't contain flavour enhancers or msg etc aren't processed muck.
The fast food vegan burger has been proven to contain more salt etc. But fast food is muck regardless of the type. I see a lot of processed muck in the freezer ailse of the supermarket with frozen beef burgers that have flavour enhancers etc.

I didnt say they couldnt be. But it's certainly not a given.

The problem with the plant food industry atm is that highly processed products are being pushed as an alternative to healthy whole foods such as meat, dairy etc.

This is the current food pyramid used here and you will notice that meat etc has a recommended 2 servings a day whilst 'sweets and treats' are at the most extreme end of the pyramid at just one or two servings a week. Quite a difference! Certainly not 'just below' ...

https://www.safefood.eu/SafeFood/media/SafeFoodLibrary/Images/Healthy Eating/Food_Diet/Food_pyramid_transp_landscape_640.gif?ext=.gif

You might also want to check where the bulk of soya meal and husks (left overs from the soy oil industry interestingly enough) come from btw.

I presume you are vegan?

cj maxx

thats it, a fad. I don't eat much meat, if at all, because it's supposedly better for my health. ( auto- immune condition) but this processed sh1te is worse.

Xcellor

_Brian wrote: »

I’ll respectfully disagree.
Speaking to nutritionist on this and bioavailability of protein for example is found essentially nowhere in plants like it is in animal products. It’s what the human digestive system evolved to eat and still our most complete source.

I’m Not saying you can’t produce a vegan funded “scientific report” supporting otherwise. I appreciate vegans are happy to compromise on these issues because of their belief system, it would actually add more credibility to their position if they acknowledged that and the need to supplement the likes of B12 because their chosen restrictive diet can’t provide it.

The American , Australian and British dietetic organizations representing literally thousands of professionals have all stated a vegan diet can give you all the nutrients you require. The NHS has likewise. The evidence is overwhelming.

A b12 supplement should be taken as even people who eat animal products can be low on this. Live stock can even be dificient so they also have supplements.
https://www.agridirect.ie/product/vitamin-b12-cobalt

It remains that a whole food plant based diet is entirely healthy and contains everything required to sustain humans.

While I accept that a diet which contains animal proteins can also be healthy when planned correctly, the same is true of a vegan diet.

emaherx

Xcellor wrote: »

The American , Australian and British dietetic organizations representing literally thousands of professionals have all stated a vegan diet can give you all the nutrients you require. The NHS has likewise. The evidence is overwhelming.

A b12 supplement should be taken as even people who eat animal products can be low on this. Live stock can even be dificient so they also have supplements.
https://www.agridirect.ie/product/vitamin-b12-cobalt

It remains that a whole food plant based diet is entirely healthy and contains everything required to sustain humans.

While I accept that a diet which contains animal proteins can also be healthy when planned correctly, the same is true of a vegan diet.

It's funny every one of those organizations say they don't recommend cutting out meat and dairy. Granted they all say it is possible to be healthy on an all plant diet if you feel the need for your own ethical reasons.

yosemitesam1

Xcellor wrote: »

The American , Australian and British dietetic organizations representing literally thousands of professionals have all stated a vegan diet can give you all the nutrients you require. The NHS has likewise. The evidence is overwhelming.

A b12 supplement should be taken as even people who eat animal products can be low on this. Live stock can even be dificient so they also have supplements.
https://www.agridirect.ie/product/vitamin-b12-cobalt

It remains that a whole food plant based diet is entirely healthy and contains everything required to sustain humans.

While I accept that a diet which contains animal proteins can also be healthy when planned correctly, the same is true of a vegan diet.

Type 2 diabetes can be eradicated by moving people from diet containing plant food to entirely animal based with no plant based food at all

Xcellor

emaherx wrote: »

It's funny every one of those organizations say they don't recommend cutting out meat and dairy. Granted they all say it is possible to be healthy on an all plant diet if you feel the need for your own ethical reasons.

They don't need to. A diet correctly planned which contains animal protein can be healthy.

I don't believe ethics are a guiding factor for nutritionists. It's the science, blood works, health outcomes that determine this.

The statements go as far as saying the diet is healthful and reduces the risk of certain diseases.

Xcellor

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

Type 2 diabetes can be eradicated by moving people from diet containing plant food to entirely animal based with no plant based food at all

I think you have been misinformed. The opposite is true.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5466941/

Whole food plant based diets have been shown to prevent, treat and reverse this condition.

hetuzozaho

[Deleted User] wrote: »

In terms of a balanced diet the updated food pyramid would put red meat just below sweats and treats.

Is this correct? Anyone know if there is an agreed recommended red meat intake?

yosemitesam1

Xcellor wrote: »

I think you have been misinformed. The opposite is true.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5466941/

Whole food plant based diets have been shown to prevent, treat and reverse this condition.

The science is simple, carbs cause diabetes. Humans can thrive on zero carbs which means you run on ketones derived from fat. You can't get type 2 diabetes then

Xcellor

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

The science is simple, carbs cause diabetes. Humans can thrive on zero carbs which means you run on ketones derived from fat. You can't get type 2 diabetes then

Please can you provide a link to the study backing up your claim.

Panch18

Bring on the carnivore diet

Xcellor

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

The science is simple, carbs cause diabetes. Humans can thrive on zero carbs which means you run on ketones derived from fat. You can't get type 2 diabetes then

Very interesting and r cent case study showing how plant based diet reversed conditions both diabetes and heart disease along with reducing BMI.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnut.2019.00082/full

This observation has been made repeatedly leading to so much confidence that as mentioned nutritional experts are able to state the following

"The results of an evidence-based review showed that a vegetarian diet is associated with a lower risk of death from ischemic heart disease. Vegetarians also appear to have lower low-density lipoprotein cholesterol levels, lower blood pressure, and lower rates of hypertension and type 2 diabetes than nonvegetarians. Furthermore, vegetarians tend to have a lower body mass index and lower overall cancer rates. Features of a vegetarian diet that may reduce risk of chronic disease include lower intakes of saturated fat and cholesterol and higher intakes of fruits, vegetables, whole grains, nuts, soy products, fiber, and phytochemicals"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19562864/#

yosemitesam1

Xcellor wrote: »

Please can you provide a link to the study backing up your claim.

Look up the physiology of ketosis, it's a perfectly natural state for humans to be in.
How can someone suffer from type 2 diabetes if they're not eating carbohydrates?

emaherx

emaherx wrote: »

Contrary to popular belife very little of the diet of beef or dairy cows actually comes from soya from South America. Cattle here are more than 80% grass fed, most imported soya comes from US but that doesn't even make up all imported ingredients for concentrates as most comes from UK France and Eastern Europe as well as grown here in Ireland and by the time all the pigs and poultry are fed the percentage gm soy in cattle feed is fairly low.



https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/farming/better-milk-from-our-96-grass-fed-irish-cows-882529.html

Why can't it be 100 %. Also, a major concern with intensive farming in Ireland is the mass import of chemical fertilizers. We should be looking at getting rid of sprays also to put our stuff in a better bracket.

yosemitesam1

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

Look up the physiology of ketosis, it's a perfectly natural state for humans to be in.
How can someone suffer from type 2 diabetes if they're not eating carbohydrates?

Refined carbs are a problem. You won't get those on a plant based diet

I think some meat based protein is good. Pure meat diets with saturated fats have been shown to cause issues with heart disease in Scandinavian studies

gozunda

gozunda wrote: »

I didnt say they couldnt be. But it's certainly not a given.

The problem with the plant food industry atm is that highly processed products are being pushed as an alternative to healthy whole foods such as meat, dairy etc.

Rapeseed oil is good also.

This is the current food pyramid used here and you will notice that meat etc has a recommended 2 servings a day whilst 'sweets and treats' are at the most extreme end of the pyramid at just one or two servings a week. Quite a difference! Certainly not 'just below' ...

https://www.safefood.eu/SafeFood/media/SafeFoodLibrary/Images/Healthy Eating/Food_Diet/Food_pyramid_transp_landscape_640.gif?ext=.gif

You might also want to check where the bulk of soya meal and husks (left overs from the soy oil industry interestingly enough) come from btw.

I presume you are vegan?

I try to avoid processed food, pork, chicken. I like lean beef, venison, lamb, veg, fruits, eggs and youghurt.

I avoid milk and butter also as I find they are bad for the skin and lungs.

My thinking is food here be it veg, fruit of meat should ideally be sourced in the country

Panch18

Panch18 wrote: »

Bring on the carnivore diet

You need fibre. Pure carnivore isn't balanced. You miss certain nutrients from veg and fruit also

emaherx

hetuzozaho wrote: »

Is this correct? Anyone know if there is an agreed recommended red meat intake?

There is it's between 350 and 500g a week.

emaherx

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Why can't it be 100 %. Also, a major concern with intensive farming in Ireland is the mass import of chemical fertilizers. We should be looking at getting rid of sprays also to put our stuff in a better bracket.

I agree, and on many farms it is or very close to it. But there's no sense in overstating the amount of feed imported from South America. Some posters on here tried to claim all our imported feed was soya from Brazil. The amount of soya imported from South America wouldn't feed the Irish herd for a day. Total imported feed wouldn't feed them for a month plus that has to feed pigs and chickens which live nearly exclusively on those types of concentrates.

hetuzozaho

emaherx wrote: »

There is it's between 350 and 500g a week.

So one t bone steak a week say?

It probably should be in the sweets part so ha!

Panch18

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You need fibre. Pure carnivore isn't balanced. You miss certain nutrients from veg and fruit also

Plenty of people on the carnivore diet, and some for a long time. Meat only

Panch18

Panch18 wrote: »

Plenty of people on the carnivore diet, and some for a long time. Meat only

Are there studies? I think the typical person would do better on a balanced diet. Pure carnivore has been shown to cause heart problems in a study in Finland

As farmers, I think we often defend against change and it really only benefits the barons that really own all the cattle and dairy in this country.

Farming organisations only ask for better prices from said powerful buyers and offer no alternatives.

Surely good alternative ready made meals could be developed and delivered directly to the customer using veg, meat and dairy etc grown in this country with no carbon footprint.

This would be a good option for consumers as it would be clean local meals great for busy people. Maybe a healthy food franchise with standard and vegan options.

gozunda

hetuzozaho wrote: »

Is this correct? Anyone know if there is an agreed recommended red meat intake?

No it's not.

This is the current food pyramid used here and you will notice that meat etc has a recommended 2 servings a day whilst 'sweets and treats' are at the most extreme end of the pyramid at just one or two servings a week. Quite a difference! Certainly not 'just below' ...

https://www.safefood.eu/SafeFood/media/SafeFoodLibrary/Images/Healthy Eating/Food_Diet/Food_pyramid_transp_landscape_640.gif?ext=.gif

hetuzozaho

gozunda wrote: »

No it's not.

This is the current food pyramid used here and you will notice that meat etc has a recommended 2 servings a day whilst 'sweets and treats' are at the most extreme end of the pyramid at just one or two servings a week. Quite a difference! Certainly not 'just below' ...

https://www.safefood.eu/SafeFood/media/SafeFoodLibrary/Images/Healthy Eating/Food_Diet/Food_pyramid_transp_landscape_640.gif?ext=.gif

Red meat I was discussing, not 'meat etc'.

Thanks though

HairySalmon

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You can be plant based and avoid processed foods easily enough.

In terms of a balanced diet the updated food pyramid would put red meat just below sweats and treats. Milk and cheese are nutritious but surely organic options there are best using purely grass based systems. A lot of dairy in Ireland is supplemented with meal containing gm soya based meal from South America.

I think people should be given access to cleaner produce marketed accordingly. Be it organic meat, dairy or alternative options.

Vegan burgers that don't contain flavour enhancers or msg etc aren't processed muck.

The fast food vegan burger has been proven to contain more salt etc. But fast food is muck regardless of the type.

I see a lot of processed muck in the freezer ailse of the supermarket with frozen beef burgers that have flavour enhancers etc.

As a biotechnologist, I’m very curious to understand why GM foods are viewed so negatively, when much of of our hormones used to treat illness and disease, such as insulin, have only been achieved via genetic modification. We inject these hormones and vaccines directly into our bloodstream, and largely, we don’t question it.

gozunda

hetuzozaho wrote: »

Red meat I was discussing, not 'meat etc'.

Thanks though

Youre welcome. And yes that category of the food pyramid incudes red meat. So you can have you're t bone steak and some chicken etc and all as part of your healthy balanced diet :pac:

Boredstiff666

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I try to avoid processed food, pork, chicken. I like lean beef, venison, lamb, veg, fruits, eggs and youghurt.

Yoghurt is a kind of processed food.

I avoid milk and butter also as I find they are bad for the skin and lungs.

What are you doing with the milk and butter?