Ukranian Airlines Flight PS752 Crash (See mod note/warning in post 270)

wandererz

Ukrainian Airlines 737 with 180 people.

No confidence left in Boeing whatsoever.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7863359/Ukrainian-passenger-plane-carrying-180-people-crashes-near-Tehran-local-media.html

zell12

A video posted by Iran's ISNA news agency showed a faint glow of light flickering shortly before a huge explosion was seen.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/01/ukrainian-airliner-crashes-tehran-iranian-media-200108032720868.html

KyussB

BBC Persian correspondent:
https://twitter.com/BahmanKalbasi/status/1214759246795100161

Read it was a 737-800 - not the Max. Given what's being going on in Iran today, it would be a rather extraordinarily unlikely coincidence, for this to end up being a Boeing technical issue.

Furasta

As said it was a 737-800 not the max, a type that doesn't have a history of issues. If that video is real then it look more like some kind of fire or the aircraft sustained some kind of damage on takeoff that lead to a uncontained fire.

Aircraft was only 3 years old so unlikely to me some kind of maintenance issue but still possible.

California Dreamer

wandererz wrote: »

No confidence left in Boeing whatsoever.

html

Well what about all the airbus crashes?

Leaving aside that 2019 was actually one of the safest years for aviation.

Accidents will happen. It’s a fact of life.

GM228

It's being reported by at least one news agency that it was accidentally shot down:-

https://twitter.com/AlHadath/status/1214758196511985664?s=19

With all that's gone on overnight with Iran no doubt the conspiracy theorists will be out in force on this one, I will say however it is coincidence that the Iranian President yesterday Tweeted this before this crash:-

https://twitter.com/HassanRouhani/status/1214236608196685824?s=19

The IR655 hashtag relates to the Iran Air Flight 655 tragedy (apologies I certainly don't want to start any conspiracy theories).

RIP

wandererz

California Dreamer wrote: »

Well what about all the airbus crashes?

Leaving aside that 2019 was actually one of the safest years for aviation.

Accidents will happen. It’s a fact of life.

According to this:
30 vs 94

Of course the number above does not take into account the cause.

https://www.1001crash.com/transport-page-plane_database-lg-2.html

gordongekko

California Dreamer wrote: »

Well what about all the airbus crashes?

Leaving aside that 2019 was actually one of the safest years for aviation.

Accidents will happen. It’s a fact of life.

Just using your random stat wouldn't 2020 therefore one of the worst years for aviation safety?

Boredstiff666

Reports say it could have been shot down by accident by Iran as it is filmed dropping in flames.

splinter65

If it was accidentally shot down then this won’t play out very well for Iran.

Boredstiff666

splinter65 wrote: »

If it was accidentally shot down then this won’t play out very well for Iran.

Not great for the passengers and crew either.

EB_2013

Will Boeing have trouble trying to get in to investigate the crash site?

California Dreamer

gordongekko wrote: »

Just using your random stat wouldn't 2020 therefore one of the worst years for aviation safety?

Not a random stat. Not the safest year but the 3rd.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/comment/2019-air-crashes/

Van.Bosch

wandererz wrote: »

Ukrainian Airlines 737 with 180 people.

No confidence left in Boeing whatsoever.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7863359/Ukrainian-passenger-plane-carrying-180-people-crashes-near-Tehran-local-media.html

Not sure Boeing ever claimed the 738 had anti missile defences?

If that’s what happened

raspberrypi67

Wonder was this an attack by Iran on the plane to cause more strife for boeing ...hmmm, bit ironic that it happens now..thought the 737-800 would have been the old style boeing with a fairly clear record...

GM228

Puncture holes in the fuselage (similar to MH17??) are apparently evident in photos of the wreckage:-

https://twitter.com/AeroGazette/status/1214808530458423298?s=19

GM228

EB_2013 wrote: »

Will Boeing have trouble trying to get in to investigate the crash site?

https://twitter.com/Boeing/status/1214768412779520000?s=19

Boeing would not liikely directly investigate, though the NTSB may get involved (and appoint Boeing to assist)?*

*Is Iran a signatory to the ICAO Convention?

Tenzor07

I’d think it would be more tasteful to open a thread and offer condolences to the families of those who perished on this flight rather than eagerly creating a thread to lustfully go after the aircraft manufacturer!?


R.I.P

Stone Deaf 4evr

Tenzor07 wrote: »

I’d think it would be more tasteful to open a thread and offer condolences to the families of those who perished on this flight rather than eagerly creating a thread to lustfully go after the aircraft manufacturer!?


R.I.P

yup, internet condolences are whats needed, if we just get enough, they might all come back to life.

no.8

Tragic . Condolences to all onboard

ZiabR

RIP to all involved.
It is to early to speculate on anything other than a fire that has brought the plane down. We don't know the cause of the fire. Time will tell.

raspberrypi67

ZiabR wrote: »

RIP to all involved.
It is to early to speculate on anything other than a fire that has brought the plane down. We don't know the cause of the fire. Time will tell.

Missile...?:rolleyes:

raspberrypi67

RIP to all of those unfortunate people

Van.Bosch

Tenzor07 wrote: »

I’d think it would be more tasteful to open a thread and offer condolences to the families of those who perished on this flight rather than eagerly creating a thread to lustfully go after the aircraft manufacturer!?


R.I.P

Changing the thread title would be a start.

L1011

I'll put a more sensible thread title on when I'm at a PC. Can't do it mobile

Boredstiff666

I would be more interested why Britons and Canadians are flying to a potential war zone. But thats just me.

Jack1985

“Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy says he has instructed prosecutors to open criminal proceedings after a Ukraine International Airlines flight with 176 people on board crashed shortly after taking off from Tehran”

@SkyNews

Kev11491

Judging from the video it seemed like random bursts of flames coming off the plane, surely that would suggest some sort of explosion?

You're on a discussion site. This is a major incident. If you don't like people discussing an event in the immediate aftermath then perhaps don't come on the thread.

PukkaStukka

wandererz wrote: »

Ukrainian Airlines 737 with 180 people.

No confidence left in Boeing whatsoever.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7863359/Ukrainian-passenger-plane-carrying-180-people-crashes-near-Tehran-local-media.html

No confidence in Boeing yet you quote the Daily Mail. :rolleyes:

Nijmegen

Boredstiff666 wrote: »

I would be more interested why Britons and Canadians are flying to a potential war zone. But thats just me.

A lot of Iranian expats on British, US, Canadian (etc) passports for one. People there for work (the EU is basically still open for business with Iran after the nuclear deal).

As to the crash itself, it's unsurprising that speculation is rife given the timing and it'll also be unsurprising if there's conspiracy theories of cover ups etc given the folks involved. I'd say if Iran lets in the air accident investigators quickly, it's because it was something unrelated to them. If parts start going walkabout and it's difficult to get investigators in, could be foul play, but obviously far too early to tell based on some pictures of wreckage.

GM228

Humm, wonder is this true?

https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1214853184830619648?s=19

sReq | uTeK

L1011 wrote: »

I'll put a more sensible thread title on when I'm at a PC. Can't do it mobile

Or....they could be getting out if one.

Tenzor07

GM228 wrote: »

Humm, wonder is this true?

Hardly surprising in the current climate that the Iranians won't give the BB to the Americans.

Same for the Ethiopian airlines BB, https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-boeing-737-max-crash-black-boxes-20190314-story.html

PinOnTheRight

GM228 wrote: »

Humm, wonder is this true?

https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1214853184830619648?s=19

Would the manufacturer normally receive the black boxes? I'd thought they'd go to an accident investigating authority rather than Boeing.

Newuseruntaken

They obviously hit the plane at the same time they were firing rockets at the Iraq air bases, so they can claim it was simply collateral damage

Shedidnt

Why would you have 63 Canadians flying together from Iran to the Ukraine?

I've heard a rather imaginative explanation that it's easy for Iranians to get Canadian passports and they may be dual passport holders returning to Canada.

3 questions about that.
Why coincidentally are 63 of them on the same plane?
Would Iran mistakenly think that Canadian = US
Is the Ukraine on a flight route from Iran to Canada?

Noo

Shedidnt wrote: »

Is the Ukraine on a flight route from Iran to Canada?

Yes, there are direct flights from Kiev to Toronto

L1011

Shedidnt wrote: »

Would Iran mistakenly think that Canadian = US

Not a hope in hell

Tchaikovsky

I was on this exact same airline 3 years ago to the day (going from Kyiv to Tehran). Kyiv would be one of the main airports linking Tehran to the EU and North America.

RIP

MuffinsDa

Shedidnt wrote: »

Why would you have 63 Canadians flying together from Iran to the Ukraine?

I've heard a rather imaginative explanation that it's easy for Iranians to get Canadian passports and they may be dual passport holders returning to Canada.

3 questions about that.
Why coincidentally are 63 of them on the same plane?
Would Iran mistakenly think that Canadian = US
Is the Ukraine on a flight route from Iran to Canada?

There is a very large expat Iranian community in Canada, as well as students. A lot of them would have travelled to visit family and friends back home during Christmas holidays and were on their way back home. UIA has some of the cheapest fares around so naturally they used them for this trip. Pretty simple explanation really. No need for conspiracy theories.

reubenreuben

It's extremely sad. 24 passengers under 16 including 1 yr old baby (sky news)

GM228

reubenreuben wrote: »

It's extremely sad. 24 passengers under 16 including 1 yr old baby (sky news)

UIA have released the passenger manifest with birthdays included:-

https://www.flyuia.com/ua/ua/news/2020/flight-ps752-passenger-list

seamus

Newuseruntaken wrote: »

They obviously hit the plane at the same time they were firing rockets at the Iraq air bases, so they can claim it was simply collateral damage

This doesn't make any sense unless there was a reason they were firing the rockets over Tehran, at least 500km away from the targets.

They would have been launched from a site closer to the border, well away from Tehran.

GM228 wrote: »

UIA have released the passenger manifest with birthdays included:-

https://www.flyuia.com/ua/ua/news/2020/flight-ps752-passenger-list

There are whole families in there, parents, children and grandchildren

Tacitus Kilgore

seamus wrote: »

This doesn't make any sense unless there was a reason they were firing the rockets over Tehran, at least 500km away from the targets.

They would have been launched from a site closer to the border, well away from Tehran.

I would have said at least 500 miles, Ain Assad is well away from the border in Iraq.

Jude13

Shedidnt wrote: »

Why would you have 63 Canadians flying together from Iran to the Ukraine?

I've heard a rather imaginative explanation that it's easy for Iranians to get Canadian passports and they may be dual passport holders returning to Canada.

3 questions about that.
Why coincidentally are 63 of them on the same plane?
Would Iran mistakenly think that Canadian = US
Is the Ukraine on a flight route from Iran to Canada?

Many many nationalities in this region have dual Canadian citizenship. Many pakistani and syrian colleagues do. So it may be that approx 39% of the passengers were dual citizens with Canada. Or due to the escalation a Canadian firm was demob-ing its staff.
No, Iranians no the difference between Americans and Canucks.
Might have been the first flight out of hazard.

Shedidnt

I just find it curious that you'd have 63 Canadians on a plane from Iran to the Ukraine, which came to its demise, the same day Iran attacks air bases with US (and Iraqi) personnel in Iraq. Just too coincidental for me. Just sayin'

crushproof

Shedidnt wrote: »

I just find it curious that you'd have 63 Canadians on a plane from Iran to the Ukraine, which came to its demise, the same day Iran attacks air bases with US (and Iraqi) personnel in Iraq. Just too coincidental for me. Just sayin'

Jeez, give it a rest. Check the manifests of any other major airline flying from there to Europe or North America and it will be full of dual citizens. Massive Iranian diaspora in countries around the world.

It's horrific seeing whole families on board, thoughts go out to their relatives. Hopefully it will be properly investigated despite all that's going on there at the moment.

Caranica

Shedidnt wrote: »

I just find it curious that you'd have 63 Canadians on a plane from Iran to the Ukraine, which came to its demise, the same day Iran attacks air bases with US (and Iraqi) personnel in Iraq. Just too coincidental for me. Just sayin'

Sounds like one for the conspiracy theories forum

Lots of logical reasons given above. Though it's a moot point now, all tragically lost.

Reports this morning saying engine failure which is very worrying, especially so soon after take off.

Cookiemunster

Shedidnt wrote: »

I just find it curious that you'd have 63 Canadians on a plane from Iran to the Ukraine, which came to its demise, the same day Iran attacks air bases with US (and Iraqi) personnel in Iraq. Just too coincidental for me. Just sayin'

Look at the names on the passenger manifest. There are no European names, which you'd expect to see a lot of from 63 random Canadians. They were all either dual citizens or of Iranian descent.

There's a conspiracy theory forum for that kind of BS.

Nijmegen

If the Iranians won't give the black boxes to and invite in independent investigators to pour over the wreckage, I'd be quite suspicious. Iran can creditably call in Europeans to do the investigation, given that Europe didn't end its involvement in the nuclear deal and re-impose sanctions when the US did. The Ukrainians can creditably call on Europeans as they did after MH. If they do so, I'd say we'll find out it was a very tragic accident.

If they do not do so, the chances of foul play (possibly accidental foul play, eg air defences put on high alert at the time of the missile strikes and someone sets one off) are high.

GBX

Shedidnt is a newly reg'd person signed up just to stir things by the looks of it :rolleyes: