One for the legals

ohnonotgmail

Irishphotodesk wrote: »

Well... There was driving in a bus lane involved and parking in a disabled bay.

did you get a picture of it? front page news that.

HeidiHeidi

Salary Negotiator wrote: »

Op is all over the place.

Sounds to me like OP was out the front of the courts building (which is where the disabled bay and the bus lanes are) - so unless the barrister actually drove up the steps and in the door to put their client in the car, they had their opportunity to get the snap, but just missed it.



Sour grapes?

Irishphotodesk

chunkylover4 wrote: »

Has the question now become; is it illegal to drive in a bus lane (answer, it depends) and is it illegal to park in a disabled bay (answer, also it depends)?

The reason for the road traffic issues mentioned ...they were in response to the comment by 28064212 who mentioned unless there was road traffic etc etc.

Robbo

Deleted User wrote: »

Quite the scoop - front page even.

Woodward and Bernstein this ain't.

magicbastarder

Irishphotodesk wrote: »

Because barristers have access to areas of the courts building that are not available to members of the public, ergo by transporting a client into the courts building the client is not subject to the security measures placed on members of the public on arrival of the courts.

a) your original question was in relation to driving them *away* from the court, not into it.
b) if the client was going to court, and their barrister drove them there, by defintion they pretty much *will* have access to the court over and above the general public, because it would clearly concern a legal matter which requires their presence.

ohnonotgmail

Irishphotodesk wrote: »

The reason for the road traffic issues mentioned ...they were in response to the comment by 28064212 who mentioned unless there was road traffic etc etc.

I think you have your answer already.

magicbastarder

maybe someone else can confirm - do i recall correctly that outside a courthouse is one of the few places where a judge can place a ban on taking photos in a public place?

splinter65

Irishphotodesk wrote: »

Please enlighten me as to which part of my question said that the public are forced to be made available for the media, I asked is it legal for a barrister to shield a client from the media.

Can a barrister legally put a person into their personal vehicle for the purpose of denying the media an image ?

If you don't know the answer is ok to admit it or not give any response

Now you’re wondering if it’s legal to give someone a lift.
Try and think for one minute about things.
The answer is no it’s not illegal to give someone a lift.
But what you should do is go to your local Garda station and tell them that you want to report a crime having taken place and see how that pans out.

Salary Negotiator

splinter65 wrote: »

Now you’re wondering if it’s legal to give someone a lift.
Try and think for one minute about things.
The answer is no it’s not illegal to give someone a lift.
But what you should do is go to your local Garda station and tell them that you want to report a crime having taken place and see how that pans out.

The OP's constitutional right to work has been infringed, this could go all the way to the Supreme Court.

I wonder how the OP will get there though, can't see many volunteering to give him a lift.

Irishphotodesk

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Sounds to me like OP was out the front of the courts building (which is where the disabled bay and the bus lanes are) - so unless the barrister actually drove up the steps and in the door to put their client in the car, they had their opportunity to get the snap, but just missed it.



Sour grapes?

So far off the mark , the disabled bay is across 3 lanes of traffic from the courts and at the far end of the street (across from Aras ui dhalaigh), the bus lane begins at the drive in entrance to the four courts, ie. Morgan place .

Oh and picture was gotten, just questioning the legality of transportation of a client in and out of courts building, so far all I have gotten is while not common it's not illegal in law but security may have an issue with it.

Will mention it to the chief justice later and see his view on the matter - have an appointment later today.

Irishphotodesk

magicbastarder wrote: »

maybe someone else can confirm - do i recall correctly that outside a courthouse is one of the few places where a judge can place a ban on taking photos in a public place?

Would be interested in learning more about this... I believe the children's court has some sort of situation where it's illegal to photograph on that street (open to correction, someone in courts service mention it to me many moons ago) but I have never heard it being enforced.

HeidiHeidi

OK, I mistakenly assumed you were talking about the CCJ, not the Four Courts.


Still a most bizarre thread/question though.

splinter65

Irishphotodesk wrote: »

So far off the mark , the disabled bay is across 3 lanes of traffic from the courts and at the far end of the street (across from Aras ui dhalaigh), the bus lane begins at the drive in entrance to the four courts, ie. Morgan place .

Oh and picture was gotten, just questioning the legality of transportation of a client in and out of courts building, so far all I have gotten is while not common it's not illegal in law but security may have an issue with it.

Will mention it to the chief justice later and see his view on the matter - have an appointment later today.

No please, make a complaint to AGS, tell us how you get on.

Irishphotodesk

splinter65 wrote: »

Now you’re wondering if it’s legal to give someone a lift.
Try and think for one minute about things.
The answer is no it’s not illegal to give someone a lift.
But what you should do is go to your local Garda station and tell them that you want to report a crime having taken place and see how that pans out.

Flip it another way.... Is it legal for a member of the public to bypass security measures of a building aided by someone who has access.

aaakev

Irishphotodesk wrote: »

Flip it another way.... Is it legal for a member of the public to bypass security measures of a building aided by someone who has access.

Unless there is a specific law covering access to the building then yes... it's a courthouse, not an airport

Salary Negotiator

Irishphotodesk wrote: »

Flip it another way.... Is it legal for a member of the public to bypass security measures of a building aided by someone who has access.

Everything is legal, unless it isn't so for most buildings the answer is probably yes.

Irishphotodesk

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

OK, I mistakenly assumed you were talking about the CCJ, not the Four Courts.


Still a most bizarre thread/question though.

Same practice could apply although barristers in CCJ are not permitted to bring clients through the internals of the building, it's the security bypassing that interests me... Is it legal to bypass security for a member of the public because the barrister effectively brings them in.

Short answer is no... Not illegal (until a client goes postal and questions are asked)

HeidiHeidi

Irishphotodesk wrote: »

Same practice could apply although barristers in CCJ are not permitted to bring clients through the internals of the building, it's the security bypassing that interests me... Is it legal to bypass security for a member of the public because the barrister effectively brings them in.

Short answer is no... Not illegal (until a client goes postal and questions are asked)

Initially it was the shielding from a photo op that prompted you to ask, now it's bypassing security.


Anyone else dying to know who the person was??

Salary Negotiator

Irishphotodesk wrote: »

Same practice could apply although barristers in CCJ are not permitted to bring clients through the internals of the building, it's the security bypassing that interests me... Is it legal to bypass security for a member of the public because the barrister effectively brings them in.

Short answer is no... Not illegal (until a client goes postal and questions are asked)

Your original question was about driving away from the courthouse and the media's constitutional right to work.

Seems to me that the barrister did something you didn't like and now you're looking for ways to complain about them to anyone who'll listen. You even name dropped the Chief Justice.

Fairly pathetic to be honest.

Irishphotodesk

Salary Negotiator wrote: »

Your original question was about driving away from the courthouse and the media's constitutional right to work.

Seems to me that the barrister did something you didn't like and now you're looking for ways to complain about them to anyone who'll listen. You even name dropped the Chief Justice.

Fairly pathetic to be honest.

Or ... I'm curious about if the action was legal or not....and seeking the wisdom of those with legal training.

I have no reason to complain a barrister, curious about the actions and if the actions are not illegal why is it not done more often, it certainly is not a common practice for a barrister to transport a member of the public to and from a court building.

As for the pathetic remark, that's simply rude and unnecessary.

cdeb

This thread is hilarious. I hope the OP isn't a troll.

The question must have been answered 10/12 times at this stage, but keep on asking!

Has to be a troll.


They're meeting with the Chief Justice later yet comes to Boards for legal opinion.

easypazz

Irishphotodesk wrote: »

For one thing.... Mr Dwyer is in custody and would be in a prison van escorted by prison officers ergo completely different scenario.

What basis ... Let's say the media person involved is tasked with providing the national media with images from court cases, and a barrister using his/her private vehicle transports the client to and from the court in an effort to avoid being photographed by the media, to me it would be a direct attempt at denying the media person their opportunity to do their job, this my reason for asking .... Is it legal ? Or illegal to transport someone in and out of the courts.

I'm sure people would be up in arms if every person before the courts were shielded from the media.

Theres a hot chick across the road from me. When she gets undressed she closes her curtains denying me a view.

The cheek of her.

ohnonotgmail

easypazz wrote: »

Theres a hot chick across the road from me. When she gets undressed she closes her curtains denying me a view.

The cheek of her.

what is the rest of her like?

cdeb

I went into Burger King last night for a post session feed.

Now my local chipper is suing me saying I'm infringing their right to work.

(May not have happened)

GBX

The OP aint a troll ... but there coming across as somebody who missed out on a photo and are looking for some sort of angle against the barrister who did them wrong by depriving them of the photo op.

Irishphotodesk

GBX wrote: »

The OP aint a troll ... but there coming across as somebody who missed out on a photo and are looking for some sort of angle against the barrister who did them wrong by depriving them of the photo op.

Picture was gotten - also, not looking for any angle to attack the barrister, curious about the legality of the situation, which has been answered multiple times... Not illegal, but not commonplace.

Penn

Irishphotodesk wrote: »

I have no reason to complain a barrister, curious about the actions and if the actions are not illegal why is it not done more often

Probably because the case in question is an extremely high-profile case with far greater media interest and therefore greater protections are required to avoid that, but to start questioning the legality of it is absurd.

One eyed Jack

Irishphotodesk wrote: »

Can someone explain to me if it is legal for a barrister to put a client into their car and transport them from the courts, for the express purpose of evading the media ?

Asking for a friend !

My understanding is that it would impact on the members of the media's constitutional right to work and would be illegal

There doesn’t appear to be anything unlawful in the circumstances you’re describing, and doing so in no way impacts on anyone’s right to work. It’s no different than someone covering their face on the way to or from the Courthouse with their jacket so that they can evade the media. It would depend upon the individual circumstances in each particular case if someone were to make a complaint against another person, whether any laws were broken, but from what you’re describing the answer is no, it’s not illegal and nobody appears to have violated any existing laws.

notsoyoungwan

No update with the opinion of the Chief Justice... I wonder why?!