External socket.

tom_tarbucket

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

If it is wired correctly it should be OK ...... but there is no harm at all in being even safer by tripping the whole lot

True. The current socket will have the cabling wired as a guide for me. So l can take a photo and copy for new scenario. Is it kinda the same as wiring a plug?

I know from last experience of wiring a plug that it can be very frustrating pairing back the outer cable to make sure you have enough wires cable to make the connections. Is it the same general scenario with the external socket?

Johnboy1951

tom_tarbucket wrote: »

True. The current socket will have the cabling wired as a guide for me. So l can take a photo and copy for new scenario. Is it kinda the same as wiring a plug?

I know from last experience of wiring a plug that it can be very frustrating pairing back the outer cable to make sure you have enough wires cable to make the connections. Is it the same general scenario with the external socket?

Yes, generally it is the same.

IMO best to have two people there if unsure.

tom_tarbucket

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Yes, generally it is the same.

IMO best to have two people there if unsure.

You offering to help ?

tom_tarbucket

tom_tarbucket wrote: »

True. The current socket will have the cabling wired as a guide for me. So l can take a photo and copy for new scenario. Is it kinda the same as wiring a plug?

I know from last experience of wiring a plug that it can be very frustrating pairing back the outer cable to make sure you have enough wires cable to make the connections. Is it the same general scenario with the external socket?

Will there be 6 cables to connect - 2 live, 2 neutral and 2 earth?

tom_tarbucket

Also it seems I have to punch or make new holes in the new plastic box. (For screwing it to wall and for electric cable feed) All holes are sealed/solid now. How is this normally done? (ESP the bigger hole)

graememk

tom_tarbucket wrote: »

Also it seems I have to punch or make new holes in the new plastic box. (For screwing it to wall and for electric cable feed) All holes are sealed/solid now. How is this normally done? (ESP the bigger hole)

Usually drilled out/knocked out

You can then get glands that you can fit in to fill the holes that tighten onto the cable I'll get a link to an example.

https://www.screwfix.ie/p/tower-male-comp-gland-black-20mm-pack-of-2/80851

tom_tarbucket

tom_tarbucket wrote: »

Will there be 6 cables to connect - 2 live, 2 neutral and 2 earth?

I see on my new socket that it only has 1x Live port and 1x Neutral port. I presume you just group the 2 cables and put the 2 live cables to the one port etc.

adunis

If you have 6 wires 9 wires etc there's other **** daisy chained on that circuit (ahem.....stared in electrical parlance makes it sound propper even if it isn't great practice),if right was right you should have 3 wires,there's only ever going to be 3 connections in a socket ,stick all the lives together in the appropriate connection same for the neutrals and earth's.

tom_tarbucket

This is the way it looks in attached.

punisher5112

Bit of silicone around it at the back and no water will get in.....

tom_tarbucket

punisher5112 wrote: »

Bit of silicone around it at the back and no water will get in.....

Where do you put silicone. Directly on to back of box is it

punisher5112

tom_tarbucket wrote: »

Where do you put silicone. Directly on to back of box is it

Yeah you could.

tom_tarbucket

punisher5112 wrote: »

Yeah you could.

Thing is. With the cable pulled through in proper final position I cannot get the sealant gun to go where I want. The gap is too narrow. Or should I apply sealant on box first and then pull the cable through.

punisher5112

tom_tarbucket wrote: »

Thing is. With the cable pulled through in proper final position I cannot get the sealant gun to go where I want. The gap is too narrow. Or should I apply sealant on box first and then pull the cable through.

You could just throw the sealant around the outside between box and wall. Then no danger of water getting in.

tom_tarbucket

punisher5112 wrote: »

You could just throw the sealant around the outside between box and wall. Then no danger of water getting in.

Noted. Is it ok for the sealant to get on the white outplaying wire. Presume it is. I see the white outer cable has a slight crack in it that would sealant in to the 3 smaller inner wires (live, neutral, earth). But at the place where no copper exposed.

punisher5112

tom_tarbucket wrote: »

Noted. Is it ok for the sealant to get on the white outplaying wire. Presume it is. I see the white outer cable has a slight crack in it that would sealant in to the 3 smaller inner wires (live, neutral, earth). But at the place where no copper exposed.

Best not if you can do without as some will break down or react with certain materials.

Bit around the box when fitted should be fine....

DublinDilbert

tom_tarbucket wrote: »

Noted. Is it ok for the sealant to get on the white outplaying wire. Presume it is. I see the white outer cable has a slight crack in it that would sealant in to the 3 smaller inner wires (live, neutral, earth). But at the place where no copper exposed.

Just loosen the screws and put some silicone around where the cable exits the wall and enters the back of the box. Also a little bit at each screw hole. No need to fully seal the box to the wall.

tom_tarbucket

DublinDilbert wrote: »

Just loosen the screws and put some silicone around where the cable exits the wall and enters the back of the box. Also a little bit at each screw hole. No need to fully seal the box to the wall.

Could I put the silicone *inside* the box - as In the circled part of attached picture.

Johnboy1951

I would put a bead of silicone along the top and down both sides of the box after it is fitted.
I would not put any along the bottom --- this allows any moisture/condensation to escape.
Work the silicon well into the joint of box and wall, and smooth off with damp finger to finish.

tom_tarbucket

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

I would put a bead of silicone along the top and down both sides of the box after it is fitted.
I would not put any along the bottom --- this allows any moisture/condensation to escape.
Work the silicon well into the joint of box and wall, and smooth off with damp finger to finish.

Thanks.

Is there a need to put any silicone inside the box?
Or at the ‘back’ of the box?

Your suggestion above - would I install the box first. i.e. screw it to the wall etc .......and then after this apply the silicone.

Johnboy1951

tom_tarbucket wrote: »

Thanks.

Is there a need to put any silicone inside the box?
Or at the ‘back’ of the box?

It would probably do no harm at all to put silicone around the cable entry point as the box is mounted so that it spreads a bit.

Your suggestion above - would I install the box first. i.e. screw it to the wall etc .......and then after this apply the silicone.

Yes.

tom_tarbucket

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

It would probably do no harm at all to put silicone around the cable entry point as the box is mounted so that it spreads a bit.



Yes.

Thanks again sorry for all pedantic questions.

Final q. The silicone at the hole where cable is.....should I put the silicone INSIDE or OUTSIDE the box?

Johnboy1951

tom_tarbucket wrote: »

Thanks again sorry for all pedantic questions.

Final q. The silicone at the hole where cable is.....should I put the silicone INSIDE or OUTSIDE the box?

IMO, outside, so that it attaches to the wall when the box is presented for fixing, thus giving a seal around the entry hole.

tom_tarbucket

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

IMO, outside, so that it attaches to the wall when the box is presented for fixing, thus giving a seal around the entry hole.

Thanks. And as an extra thing do the seal at the top and sides also?

Johnboy1951

tom_tarbucket wrote: »

Thanks. And as an extra thing do the seal at the top and sides also?

Yes, after the box is properly fixed and not movable.