How do we stop coal burning?

Billy Bobb

As Greta Thunberg said: 'I will NEVER burn the coal so I will never pay the toll'.

While this heartening to hear, how do we get other young women to stop burning the coal?

Purgative

Throw water on it.

washman3

Give them an app for their latest top of the range samsung smart phones to keep them and their homes warm.....;)

alchemist33

Burn turf instead

biko

Give them bibles, torahs and korans to burn instead.

Quantum Erasure

smelly sock

Tell Greta to **** off.

y0ssar1an22

Billy Bobb wrote: »

As Greta Thunberg said: 'I will NEVER burn the coal so I will never pay the toll'.

While this heartening to hear, how do we get other young women to stop burning the coal?

Of course she will never pay the toll.

Only solution...make it economically viable for the general populace

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Billy Bobb wrote: »

how do we get other young women to stop burning the coal?

Leave it to the men, it was always a man's job anyway.

Or we could rinse and repeat https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058036075

Odyssey 2005

Billy Bobb wrote: »

As Greta Thunberg said: 'I will NEVER burn the coal so I will never pay the toll'.

While this heartening to hear, how do we get other young women to stop burning the coal?

Dont give them matches

Quantum Erasure

does anyone else have a habit of skipping over the OP in a thread, just reading the title and skip straight to the replies...?

punisher5112

If you want an honest answer then the government needs to incentives to go greener and make it affordable.


Imagine if ones fire place is blocked up and how much of a difference alone that would make in heat loss and draughts.

We need to be looking at electric to be honest and getting away from any solid fuel or diesel oil or kerosene or gas for that matter.

It isn't going to happen over night but it's something that needs doing.

s7ryf3925pivug

Drones. If you can get away with paralysing major airports with drones, then you can get away with interfering with domestic burning.

That's the high level plan. You just need to pinpoint what specifically to do with them. Needs to be annoying enough to stop people without actually being dangerous.

galwayllm

I don't know about you, but you can stop what you like, I'll burn it by the tonne of I have to....

Bobblehats

galwayllm wrote: »

I'll burn it by the tonne of I have to....

Always some libertine with the auld coal choking out the street; sooting everyone’s linen you think the neighbours don’t talk?! That there won’t be environmental repercussions.

coinop

Emma Murphy paid the toll for burning coal.

ZX7R

We are all ready paying quite a hefty till on a bag of coal as it is

Quantum Erasure

feck off back to ******* with that shíte



ha! its still censored,

you're just a 'Variation On A Theme', OP

The Satanist

Solar PV, battery storage and an oul heat pump.

BorneTobyWilde

Coal costs money, as does timber and turf and heating oil. There is no reason whatsoever that a house couldn't have electric radiators in all the rooms, and and electric fire in the fireplace and electric water heaters.
Could be a clean home, and you save 1500 a year from buying the coal, and the timber, and the kindling , and the heating oil. Yes you'll probably spend 1500 more on electric, but at least it's clean.

SafeSurfer

One can be self sufficient in heating and cooking if one has access to firewood or turf. If everyone is forced to depend on electricity for heating and cooking, the ability to be self sufficient is removed. Solar panels, generators alone etc are currently not practical in solely powering a house.

The other disadvantage with removing people’s ability to provide for their own heating and cooking needs is that, energy consumption can be monitored and used as an instrument to exert further control over the populace.

Greentopia

Coal is expensive and you're dependent on remote systems and supplies to heat your home, aside from how dirty and polluting it is.

I'm working to be completely self sufficient in firewood through coppicing in a few years time. Some friends of mine are off grid and have a few acres of permaculture food forests from which they grow their own timber for fuel in solid fuel stoves that heat radiators, or mix that with energy from their own wind turbines and a heat pump.

harry Bailey esq

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

does anyone else have a habit of skipping over the OP in a thread, just reading the title and skip straight to the replies...?

Hairy Japanese bastards.

whisky_galore

Billy Bobb wrote: »

As Greta Thunberg said: 'I will NEVER burn the coal so I will never pay the toll'.

While this heartening to hear, how do we get other young women to stop burning the coal?

Ironic that the oh-so-great Nordic countries incl Sweden have levels of resource consumption that are through the roof.

Peatys

You don't need to stop it altogether.. just cover it in slack then give it a poke in the morning

pure.conya

blast it with piss

Graces7

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Coal costs money, as does timber and turf and heating oil. There is no reason whatsoever that a house couldn't have electric radiators in all the rooms, and and electric fire in the fireplace and electric water heaters.
Could be a clean home, and you save 1500 a year from buying the coal, and the timber, and the kindling , and the heating oil. Yes you'll probably spend 1500 more on electric, but at least it's clean.

Electricity costs than coal or turf. Folk on low incomes eg pensioners, do not have that kind of extra money to spend. Even affording solid fuel is hard.

decky1

Billy Bobb wrote: »

As Greta Thunberg said: 'I will NEVER burn the coal so I will never pay the toll'.

While this heartening to hear, how do we get other young women to stop burning the coal?

have you ever taken a look at the power stations etc the amount of smoke coming out of them per minute and that's world wide, and you want us to stop burning coal in our homes,to save the planet, bit like us washing out bean cans before we put them in the bin.not a hope.;)

tipptom

Greentopia wrote: »

Coal is expensive and you're dependent on remote systems and supplies to heat your home, aside from how dirty and polluting it is.

I'm working to be completely self sufficient in firewood through coppicing in a few years time. Some friends of mine are off grid and have a few acres of permaculture food forests from which they grow their own timber for fuel in solid fuel stoves that heat radiators, or mix that with energy from their own wind turbines and a heat pump.

Away beardy Hippy.

Nuclear power plants for clean efficient energy.

Capt'n Midnight

We Irish are way ahead of the curve

“Burn everything that comes from England except their people and their coal”
- Jonathan Swift 1720

Capt'n Midnight

tipptom wrote: »

Away beardy Hippy.

Nuclear power plants for clean efficient energy.

Efficient ?
Nuclear power plants have poor thermal efficiency due to low temperature limits and or needing heat exchangers.

Also nuclear isn't quick or cheap. By the time you get one approved and built renewables, energy storage, demand shedding and smart meter technologies will have advanced a generation.

Also nuclear means you have to go into large carbon debt during construction and mining of the initial charge. Wind turbines can be carbon neutral in as little as six months.

whisky_galore

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Wind turbines can be carbon neutral in as little as six months.

Wind turbines are great until they're planned anywhere near where someone is living .

Greentopia

tipptom wrote: »

Away beardy Hippy.

Nuclear power plants for clean efficient energy.

Neither clean nor efficient. And no beard thankfully on my female physog but hippy is no insult to me. The less I have to pay out in heating and other bills the less I have to work and the more free time I have for friends, travel, gardening and so on.

Greentopia

whisky_galore wrote: »

Wind turbines are great until they're planned anywhere near where someone is living .

Doesn't have to be large turbines, you can have small micro generating wind turbines just for personal use on your own land. Some friends of mine have them and made the blades themselves and they work great.

BorneTobyWilde

First off you need to ban dirty coal, not put a tax on it, the more they tax it the more they will never ban it. It's all about he money at the end of then day.

2011

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

First off you need to ban dirty coal, not put a tax on it, the more they tax it the more they will never ban it. It's all about he money at the end of then day.

But it makes such a nice fire.

Graces7

Where I used to live in Orkney they now give these to all pensioners. I wish!

Greentopia wrote: »

Doesn't have to be large turbines, you can have small micro generating wind turbines just for personal use on your own land. Some friends of mine have them and made the blades themselves and they work great.

Graces7

decky1 wrote: »

have you ever taken a look at the power stations etc the amount of smoke coming out of them per minute and that's world wide, and you want us to stop burning coal in our homes,to save the planet, bit like us washing out bean cans before we put them in the bin.not a hope.;)

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Thank you; this has needed saying for a long time..

By the way are folk here aware that pensioners and other low income folk get a Solid Fuel Allowance of E 22.50 a week, whereas the electricity allowance now covers the standing charge and maybe lighting only.

Guess what using for heating here...

I am burning smokeless but only as the community bus refuses to carry more than one 20 kg bag at a time and the real coal comes in 40 kg bags. It is grand once lit but hard to light..

BeerWolf

Graces7 wrote: »

I am burning smokeless but only as the community bus refuses to carry more than one 20 kg bag at a time and the real coal comes in 40 kg bags. It is grand once lit but hard to light..

Sure you can find someone that'll deliver, got one that does bundle deals for good prices.

2011

2011 wrote: »

But it makes such a nice fire.

With the added bonus of heating up the climate, tis feckin freezing at the moment and Ireland could do with warming up generally

2011

Deleted User wrote: »

With the added bonus of heating up the climate

So warmer inside and outside! It's win, win :pac:

screamer

Where do people get this electricity is clean from? Not in Ireland, where we burn “the coal” turf and anything else to produce it. Wind farms are not producing all our electricity, and the burning stations are pumping out CO2 in huge quantities, but it suits the nimbys, all the electricity they want with stinking smog elsewhere in the country.

Graces7

screamer wrote: »

Where do people get this electricity is clean from? Not in Ireland, where we burn “the coal” turf and anything else to produce it. Wind farms are not producing all our electricity, and the burning stations are pumping out CO2 in huge quantities, but it suits the nimbys, all the electricity they want with stinking smog elsewhere in the country.

To be fair, they are phasing out/ closing down power stations that burn turf, faster than they had planned and trying to deploy staff elsewhere. The effect on wildlife must be horrendous too

Wanderer78

screamer wrote:

Where do people get this electricity is clean from? Not in Ireland, where we burn “the coal†turf and anything else to produce it. Wind farms are not producing all our electricity, and the burning stations are pumping out CO2 in huge quantities, but it suits the nimbys, all the electricity they want with stinking smog elsewhere in the country.

Power generation is, and always was our biggest problem in this game, thankfully we re slowly moving in the right direction with in now, I'm still not convinced renewables can fill the gap though

BeerWolf

screamer wrote: »

Where do people get this electricity is clean from? Not in Ireland, where we burn “the coal” turf and anything else to produce it. Wind farms are not producing all our electricity, and the burning stations are pumping out CO2 in huge quantities, but it suits the nimbys, all the electricity they want with stinking smog elsewhere in the country.

Don't matter, as long as one feels good about themselves... :pac:

Bob Harris

whisky_galore wrote: »

Wind turbines are great until they're planned anywhere near where someone is living .

And with ireland's scattergun approach to planning that means they are always close to where someone is living.

whisky_galore

whisky_galore wrote: »

Wind turbines are great until they're planned anywhere near where someone is living .

Or until the wind doesn't blow. And it takes the output of 2000 wind turbines to equal the output of one nuclear reactor. How big a carbon footprint does building and installing 2000 wind turbines create?

"Low thermal efficiency" what the hell is that supposed to mean?

"Efficiency and Reliability. A pellet of nuclear fuel weighs approximately 0.1 ounce (6 grams). However, that single pellet yields the amount of energy equivalent to that generated by a ton of coal, 120 gallons of oil or 17,000 cubic feet of natural gas, making nuclear fuel much more efficient than fossil fuels."
People really don't have a clue of the scale of this...

Greentopia

Graces7 wrote: »

Where I used to live in Orkney they now give these to all pensioners. I wish!

Those damn hippy pensioners. They should be campaigning for a nuclear power station on that island!

God forbid anyone should have any unconventional ideas about taking control over their own lives. Notions eh?

Wanderer78

unfortunately i cant ever see nuclear power stations being built here, we ll just continue to farm that risk out to others, while we receive the power

nthclare

Thanks op, this is a great reminder to go the local coal dealer and feed my hearths desires and purpose to keeping my dwelling warm and toasty.

I can see it now in the future, van found on the m17 with 40kg of the black stuff

A man and woman are being questioned in the local guarda station.

8 months later, said couples excuse was they're 72 and 69 years old and cannot afford to get their house insulated so they were asked to move the black nuggets for a criminal organisation,and they'll get a half bag for themselves.


Meanwhile their illegal stove has been taken and their fireplace will be replaced with a small brick wall.

They were sentenced to sitting down listening to endless loops of grettas speech and endless subliminal flashes of her gib on screen for a month.

Meanwhile Peggy O Leary has been released from the Midlands prison after 4 months for getting caught with turf dust in her shed, she denied it was for personal use.

The jury of blue and pink haired ecowarriors weren't having it, there was enough dust there to burn and produce an amount of CO2 to create a cloud of smoke to fill the equivalent of a baloon...

Next story.....

olestoepoke

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Coal costs money, as does timber and turf and heating oil. There is no reason whatsoever that a house couldn't have electric radiators in all the rooms, and and electric fire in the fireplace and electric water heaters.
Could be a clean home, and you save 1500 a year from buying the coal, and the timber, and the kindling , and the heating oil. Yes you'll probably spend 1500 more on electric, but at least it's clean.

And who will pay for the costly conversion? And once they have you on the grid they have you by the balls another avenue to overcharge people.