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The ‘Win a Home In...’ scam

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    #32
    4068ac1elhodqr
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    corner of hells wrote: »
    What high rolling gamblers?
    100notes per ticket, and sure you'd want to be buying a handful to stand a good chance, ah shure here's 1.2k I'll take half a dozen, the wife too.


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    #33
    KevRossi
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    The raffle is for an apartment in London with a current value of £695,000. If you win it, you are free to live in it, rent it out or sell it on, it is yours, but you will pay any conveyance charges and any management fees as long as it is in your name.

    Roscommon GAA ran a similar raffle this year for a house in Ashtown, Dublin 15, value approx €425,000. Tickets were €100 and were limited to 15,000 tickets. The house was won by a guy from Mauritius living in Lucan, his name was Kumar. Money raised is for development of the Hyde Park in Roscommon and the new Dermot Earley Centre of Excellence (new training ground for Roscommon GAA).

    I got a ticket last year and will get one this year, as I'm a Rossie and I support the GAA. I almost never buy lottery tickets and only bet on the Grand National and the Gold Cup, so about another €100 a year on that.

    It is on no way a scam, if it was it would not have been won by a lad from Mauritius, and I do not believe that this year is a scam either. It's run by a group of volunteers who put the €400,000 a year former head of the FAI and their board of directors to shame.


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    #34
    TAFKAlawhec
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    True story: Back in the 00's, a couple of years before the Celtic Tiger got shot, a GAA club in Tyrone ran one such raffle to win a new semi-detached house in the local area, alongside some other smaller prizes.

    The winning ticket holder whom won the house was the head of the local Orange Lodge.


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    #35
    TuringBot47
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    NIMAN wrote: »
    e100 is indeed tempting to win a house.

    The one I entered was limited to 2500 tickets, plus there was about 8 or 10 decent other prizes too.

    I fancied the odds.

    2500 tickets @ €100 is €250,000
    Sounds off when they had to buy a house with that money

    One I tried was limited to 10,000 tickets.
    Winner was a teacher in a primary school.


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    #36
    Stevieluvsye
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    KevRossi wrote: »
    The raffle is for an apartment in London with a current value of £695,000. If you win it, you are free to live in it, rent it out or sell it on, it is yours, but you will pay any conveyance charges and any management fees as long as it is in your name.

    Roscommon GAA ran a similar raffle this year for a house in Ashtown, Dublin 15, value approx €425,000. Tickets were €100 and were limited to 15,000 tickets. The house was won by a guy from Mauritius living in Lucan, his name was Kumar. Money raised is for development of the Hyde Park in Roscommon and the new Dermot Earley Centre of Excellence (new training ground for Roscommon GAA).

    I got a ticket last year and will get one this year, as I'm a Rossie and I support the GAA. I almost never buy lottery tickets and only bet on the Grand National and the Gold Cup, so about another €100 a year on that.

    It is on no way a scam, if it was it would not have been won by a lad from Mauritius, and I do not believe that this year is a scam either. It's run by a group of volunteers who put the €400,000 a year former head of the FAI and their board of directors to shame.

    Very impressive indeed, and your last part is nail on the head


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    #37
    The Tetrarch
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    TAFKAlawhec wrote: »
    True story: Back in the 00's, a couple of years before the Celtic Tiger got shot, a GAA club in Tyrone ran one such raffle to win a new semi-detached house in the local area, alongside some other smaller prizes.

    The winning ticket holder whom won the house was the head of the local Orange Lodge.
    I laughed. :D


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    #38
    DubDani
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    Local GAA club here has been doing the same. Currently raffling off a House in a nice local development.

    Tickets are 100 and limited to a maximum of 5000 to be sold. There are additional prizes, like 15K in cash, a new Car, a Holiday and a few other cash prizes between 1K & 5K.

    The club buys the house of a local Developer (that's already involved with the club) for a big discount and all the profits from the draw go into club development. Not a bad thing as long as all is over board and people can be trusted. I would only buy a ticket for some local draw rather then a wider/national draw that I have less visibility of.


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    #39
    Muahahaha
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    ROSSKI wrote: »
    The draw that Roscommon had last year was a massive success raising over a million euro in ticket sales, this year with the help of Sean Mulryan again they are raffling a house in London, completely legit and very clever way of raising serious money, for €100 I would take a punt and only applaud them for there innovative thinking. gowantherossies

    I passed by Sean Mulryans house (well stud) the other day. Hes got Christmas lights hanging from two giant tress about 15 metres tall in the grounds, it looks class. I presume he had to get a cherry picker in to do the job of hanging them up, pretty easy when you're a property developer :D


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    #40
    recyclebin
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    I clicked on ad for one of these on Facebook and now I'm plagued with them. There is one for Roscommon, one for Westport, one for Cavan and one for a Faythe Harriers in Wexford running at the minute.


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    dxhound2005
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    Elias Melodic Gauze wrote: »
    If a recent case up in Co.Down can carry any influence or presedence in future for laws in Dublin, or elsewhere, then can't see this continuing for too long:
    "Pulled because the prizes exceeded the maximum level permitted under the Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (NI) Order 1985"...

    I.e. If a state thinks it will loose tax-take for what is gambling activity (not really charity), with very high-end value prizes, it would be unwise for them to ignore.
    Of course it could be run through a proper bookie, who would operate it under legislation and cough up (a little bit) of tax along the way, and be subject to audits and so on.

    The NI legislation is out of step with the rest of the UK. This means that all sorts of competitions exclude the North from participation. One I heard about was a Six Nations competition. RTE this year excluded the North from their competitions like the ones on the Late Late.

    I think the report may have got it wrong in saying it is because of the value of the prize. The NI legislation stipulates that all prize competitions regardless of the value of the prizes have to have a substantial amount of skill involved, not simply the luck of the draw. Clubs and other organisations get away with it for small draws if nobody complains to the police.

    Nothing to do with any competition run by a club in Ireland.


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    #42
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    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    The NI legislation is out of step with the rest of the UK.
    A step ahead perhaps, they disallow those 1-arm bandit machines that plagued Engerland with their 100notes per spin. That were easy profits for 10,000 or so bookie shops there. They also void many telly adverts for 'live tv virtual casino' nonsense, or put a terms at the bottom of such ads.
    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    I think the report may have got it wrong in saying it is because of the value of the prize. The NI legislation stipulates that all prize competitions regardless of the value of the prizes have to have a substantial amount of skill involved, not simply the luck of the draw. Clubs and other organisations get away with it for small draws if nobody complains to the police.
    Think the article (or another) mentioned high value draws. Ain't no one bothered about a small raffles here and there for easter eggs, and hampers of mince pies.
    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Nothing to do with any competition run by a club in Ireland.
    The GAA ran this raffle in the North, so has some context. At very least, some regulation should be looked at for tickets of 100+a pop for prizes over 1/4m.


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    #43
    dxhound2005
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    Elias Melodic Gauze wrote: »

    The GAA ran this raffle in the North, so has some context. At very least, some regulation should be looked at for tickets of 100+a pop for prizes over 1/4m.

    There is quite a list of regulations on this one.

    https://winnorthkildarehouse.ie/terms-conditions/

    I am not familiar with the relevant law, but the organisers must have felt they were on solid legal ground.

    The laws of the Republic of Ireland shall have application to these Terms and Conditions and the respective rights and obligations of each party hereto are governed by Irish Law.


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    #44
    whisky_galore
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    Not a fooking hope I'd buy a €100 raffle ticket, scam or not.


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    #45
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    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    There is quite a list of regulations on this one.
    https://winnorthkildarehouse.ie/terms-conditions/
    Therein lies the problem, you cite a single, unique set of terms, and specific contract in N.Kildare.
    Each house draw, may have it's own unique terms.
    Also this agreement states: ...
    .purposes not connected with gaming, wagering or lotteries.
    Well, if it sounds like a 'win a house lottery' that requires a wager, then it is a form of gaming/gambling.

    So the wider state law should therefore take a look at regulating these high rolling prizes, for high rolling gambles before they get too popular amist a housing crisis.


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    #46
    NIMAN
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    TuringBot47 wrote: »
    2500 tickets @ €100 is €250,000
    Sounds off when they had to buy a house with that money

    One I tried was limited to 10,000 tickets.
    Winner was a teacher in a primary school.

    It was Donegal, our houses are a lot cheaper up here.


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    #47
    freshpopcorn
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    I have often heard of the cars being won.
    I don't think the house has being done locally.


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    #48
    10000maniacs
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    NIMAN wrote: »
    e100 is indeed tempting to win a house.

    The one I entered was limited to 2500 tickets, plus there was about 8 or 10 decent other prizes too.

    I fancied the odds.

    Stick to the bookies.
    2500 /1 odds for a €100 stake?
    Did you ever notice in horse races, the 2500/1 horse always loses.


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