The ‘Win a Home In...’ scam

radioguru02

Assuming this whole thing is a scam? Whole load of FB pages claiming to be repping GAA clubs and offering houses as prizes
Edit: found this though
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/hundreds-buy-tickets-for-roscommon-gaa-s-dublin-house-raffle-1.3630684
Must be real I guess?

Username you choose

pirateradiohed wrote: »

Assuming this whole thing is a scam? Whole load of FB pages claiming to be repping GAA clubs and offering houses as prizes
Edit: found this though
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/hundreds-buy-tickets-for-roscommon-gaa-s-dublin-house-raffle-1.3630684
Must be real I guess?

Do they not announce the winner publicly? I would imagine they are obligated to do so.

corner of hells

pirateradiohed wrote: »

Assuming this whole thing is a scam? Whole load of FB pages claiming to be repping GAA clubs and offering houses as prizes
Edit: found this though
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/hundreds-buy-tickets-for-roscommon-gaa-s-dublin-house-raffle-1.3630684
Must be real I guess?

It's not a scam , I won that house you're talking about.
I won a house the previous year too and expect to win again next year too.

Hill St Blue

Cavan GAA are running a 'win a home in D15' competition at the moment, that is most certainly not a scam. Money raised will go towards funding a centre of excellence.
€100 a ticket, to be in with a chance of winning a house (or the cash equivalent presumably).

Afaik, Roscommon GAA ran a similar draw some time back. There may have been more that I'm not aware of. Like any draw/raffle, if it is legit, it will be transparent and easy to double check the source.

cj maxx

I had someone at the door selling tickets for a house for £100. He was to call back ' when the boss' was home but never did . Some are legit, some especially if you don't know the club are probably chancers

Will I Am Not

Hill St Blue wrote: »

Cavan GAA are running a 'win a home in D15' competition at the moment, that is most certainly not a scam. Money raised will go towards funding a centre of excellence.
€100 a ticket, to be in with a chance of winning a house (or the cash equivalent presumably).

Afaik, Roscommon GAA ran a similar draw some time back. There may have been more that I'm not aware of. Like any draw/raffle, if it is legit, it will be transparent and easy to double check the source.

Not a chance would you get the cash equivalent. Builder gets a great price for the house, club get the rest. It’s basically a load of people collectively overpaying for a house that one of them will live in.

Fann Linn

Username you choose wrote: »

Do they not announce the winner publicly? I would imagine they are obligated to do so.

They do. The winner of that house was presented with the keys at half time during the Roscommon Dublin game in the Hyde last spring. If you've any proof however that it is a scam I'm all ears!

Username you choose

Fann Linn wrote: »

They do. The winner of that house was presented with the keys at half time during the Roscommon Dublin game in the Hyde last spring. If you've any proof however that it is a scam I'm all ears!

I'm not the op, I never said it was a scam.

Fann Linn

Username you choose wrote: »

I'm not the op, I never said it was a scam.

Sorry.

4068ac1elhodqr

If a recent case up in Co.Down can carry any influence or presedence in future for laws in Dublin, or elsewhere, then can't see this continuing for too long:
"Pulled because the prizes exceeded the maximum level permitted under the Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (NI) Order 1985"...

I.e. If a state thinks it will loose tax-take for what is gambling activity (not really charity), with very high-end value prizes, it would be unwise for them to ignore.
Of course it could be run through a proper bookie, who would operate it under legislation and cough up (a little bit) of tax along the way, and be subject to audits and so on.

NIMAN

I entered one of those last year for a local soccer club.

Winner was announced ok. Think it was a local business who owns a plant hire outfit. Supposedly very well off!

andekwarhola

Hill St Blue wrote: »

Cavan GAA are running a 'win a home in D15' competition at the moment, that is most certainly not a scam. Money raised will go towards funding a centre of excellence.
€100 a ticket, to be in with a chance of winning a house (or the cash equivalent presumably).

Afaik, Roscommon GAA ran a similar draw some time back. There may have been more that I'm not aware of. Like any draw/raffle, if it is legit, it will be transparent and easy to double check the source.

There must be a veritable stampede of applicants hoping to become absent rack renter landlords in Blanchardtown.

ROSSKI

The draw that Roscommon had last year was a massive success raising over a million euro in ticket sales, this year with the help of Sean Mulryan again they are raffling a house in London, completely legit and very clever way of raising serious money, for €100 I would take a punt and only applaud them for there innovative thinking. gowantherossies

NIMAN

e100 is indeed tempting to win a house.

The one I entered was limited to 2500 tickets, plus there was about 8 or 10 decent other prizes too.

I fancied the odds.

Hill St Blue

Will I Am Not wrote: »

Not a chance would you get the cash equivalent. Builder gets a great price for the house, club get the rest. It’s basically a load of people collectively overpaying for a house that one of them will live in.

The other way to look at that, is that a load of people, collectively have a gamble, that results in a life changing prize for one of them.
Those who don't win, can still see a tangible result from their outlay. It's not often that you can say that when you have a flutter on the horses or whatever.

The profit raised from the venture, goes towards a defined project, which will benefit both current and future generations of GAA players from the region. It doesn't go into the coffers of one club, but towards building a sporting facility for the county.

It's true, only one person can win the prize, but at least the profit raised is going towards something meaningful and beneficial.
For many people who buy tickets for this kind of thing, it's as much about supporting the project as the prize.

Will I Am Not

Hill St Blue wrote: »

The other way to look at that, is that a load of people, collectively have a gamble, that results in a life changing prize for one of them.
Those who don't win, can still see a tangible result from their outlay. It's not often that you can say that when you have a flutter on the horses or whatever.

The profit raised from the venture, goes towards a defined project, which will benefit both current and future generations of GAA players from the region. It doesn't go into the coffers of one club, but towards building a sporting facility for the county.

It's true, only one person can win the prize, but at least the profit raised is going towards something meaningful and beneficial.
For many people who buy tickets for this kind of thing, it's as much about supporting the project as the prize.

Yeah but I’m a cynical c*nt.

4068ac1elhodqr

Hill St Blue wrote: »

The other way to look at that, is that a load of people, collectively have a gamble, that results in a life changing prize for one of them.
Those who don't win, can still see a tangible result from their outlay. It's not often that you can say that when you have a flutter on the horses or whatever.

The profit raised from the venture, goes towards a defined project, which will benefit both current and future generations of GAA players from the region. It doesn't go into the coffers of one club, but towards building a sporting facility for the county.

It's true, only one person can win the prize, but at least the profit raised is going towards something meaningful and beneficial.
For many people who buy tickets for this kind of thing, it's as much about supporting the project as the prize.

Some valid points, but there is also a loss of anon, and even some resentment? - For joe and jane getting a 'free house'.


Tickets could also be sold on a membership basis, not everyone wants to play golf, hence it's paid for by people who choose to play golf. People buying these tickets might just want a gamble, and not ever visit the new grounds.



The biggest factor would be validation of results. A big hat and big jim and dave's finger picking isn't full verification.

corner of hells

Elias Melodic Gauze wrote: »

If a recent case up in Co.Down can carry any influence or presedence in future for laws in Dublin, or elsewhere, then can't see this continuing for too long:
"Pulled because the prizes exceeded the maximum level permitted under the Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (NI) Order 1985"...

I.e. If a state thinks it will loose tax-take for what is gambling activity (not really charity), with very high-end value prizes, it would be unwise for them to ignore.
Of course it could be run through a proper bookie, who would operate it under legislation and cough up (a little bit) of tax along the way, and be subject to audits and so on.

I think sporting bodies have or can apply for a tax exemption once its promoting something of benefit to a community.

I doubt the GAA would be that careless to be non compliant with something so significant.

4068ac1elhodqr

corner of hells wrote: »

I think sporting bodies have or can apply for a tax exemption once its promoting something of benefit to a community.
I doubt the GAA would be that careless to be non compliant with something so significant.

Still it's a very high value item to be traded on an near industrial scale (like a bookie/state-lottery).

Also validation is very tricky. Even Lotteries Ireland can't get their bleeding scratchcards right (missing 180k), and they're audited and vetted.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/national-lottery-scratch-cards-were-missing-180-000-in-prizes-1.4112014

In the past the RCC used to open community centres, sports grounds and so on from their weekly community take. Perhaps they're stashing it all away for future expenses or wiring it over to the banks in Rome in preperation for the arrival of wormwood or something prophetic.

corner of hells

Elias Melodic Gauze wrote: »

Some valid points, but there is also a loss of anon, and even some resentment? - For joe and jane getting a 'free house'.


Tickets could also be sold on a membership basis, not everyone wants to play golf, hence it's paid for by people who choose to play golf. People buying these tickets might just want a gamble, and not ever visit the new grounds.



The biggest factor would be validation of results. A big hat and big jim and dave's finger picking isn't full verification.

Have a read of the article about the house raffled in Ashtown.
It actually names who independently overseen the raffle.

corner of hells

Elias Melodic Gauze wrote: »

Still it's a very high value item to be traded on an near industrial scale (like a bookie/state-lottery).

Also validation is very tricky. Even Lotteries Ireland can't get their bleeding scratchcards right (missing 180k), and they're audited and vetted.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/national-lottery-scratch-cards-were-missing-180-000-in-prizes-1.4112014

In the past the RCC used to open community centres, sports grounds and so on from their weekly community take. Perhaps they're stashing it all away for future expenses or wiring it over to the banks in Rome in preperation for the arrival of wormwood or something prophetic.

RCC ?

4068ac1elhodqr

corner of hells wrote: »

RCC ?

The Roman Catholic Church, most take in a few grand per week in cash from pass the basket. Then there's events and ceremonies and so on.

4068ac1elhodqr

corner of hells wrote: »

Have a read of the article about the house raffled in Ashtown.
It actually names who independently overseen the raffle.

Slight of hand can occur anywhere even at the very highest levels, you can't ever be 100% sure everything is above board. The bigger the prize...

corner of hells

Elias Melodic Gauze wrote: »

The Roman Catholic Church, most take in a few grand per week in cash from pass the basket. Then there's events and ceremonies and so on.

Your posts are like a mad man's ****e , all over the place.
You've managed to crowbar the Catholic church into a thread about local GAA clubs raising funding for their individual clubs by what seems a really benevolent idea.
The National Lottery issue was discovered by the " National Lottery " in a review by themselves and they've acknowledged their error indicating they will remedy it themselves .

You seem to be searching for a conspiracy.

corner of hells

Elias Melodic Gauze wrote: »

Slight of hand can occur anywhere even at the very highest levels, you can't ever be 100% sure everything is above board. The bigger the prize...

You do know who PwC are ?

Muahahaha

The last raffle I was at was very interesting. Because the people who ran the raffle actually won it.

4068ac1elhodqr

corner of hells wrote: »

You do know who PwC are ?

Do they oversee every single house raffle?

Even then, it only takes slight, or singular human error for something to go wrong, ask India (Satyam), view some missed targets:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/pwc-kpmg-deloitte-and-ey-audit-quality-failure-frc-report-a8998321.html and occasional failures https://nypost.com/2018/07/02/pwc-must-pay-fdic-625m-for-failing-to-uncover-fraud-scheme/

Ticket picking from a container isn't really random, even a RNG script(); can have flaws. There would be so much vested interests with high value tickets, of low volume, for such a high singular localised community jackpot.

Rubberchikken

maybe the FAI could do something similiar. they seem broke.

4068ac1elhodqr

corner of hells wrote: »

You've managed to crowbar the Catholic church into a thread about local GAA clubs raising funding for their individual clubs by what seems a really benevolent idea.

The (wealthy) RCC traditionally funded and opened community/sports grounds. Now it's seems to be privatised by high-rolling gamblers looking for somewhere to live.

corner of hells wrote: »

The National Lottery issue was discovered by the " National Lottery " in a review by themselves and they've acknowledged their error indicating they will remedy it themselves .

Eh? It was discovered after most tickets were sold, even then, it ran on for another 6wks before any annoucement. Not sure how easy it is to run out and capture all shelf stock, customers not refunded. It's not 'resolved'.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/national-lottery-scratch-cards-were-missing-180-000-in-prizes-1.4112014

Even the lottery regulators didn't notice it, and were unable to discover it, just lucky they came forward themselves in the cases where it occured.

corner of hells

Rubberchikken wrote: »

maybe the FAI could do something similiar. they seem broke.

They're just short a couple of quid , probably find it down the back of couch any day soon.

corner of hells

Elias Melodic Gauze wrote: »

The (wealthy) RCC traditionally funded and opened community/sports grounds. Now it's seems to be privatised by high-rolling gamblers looking for somewhere to live.


Eh? It was discovered after most tickets were sold, even then, it ran on for another 6wks before any annoucement. Not sure how easy it is to run out and capture all shelf stock, customers not refunded. It's not 'resolved'.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/national-lottery-scratch-cards-were-missing-180-000-in-prizes-1.4112014

Even the lottery regulators didn't notice it, and were unable to discover it, just lucky they came forward themselves in the cases where it occured.

What high rolling gamblers?

4068ac1elhodqr

corner of hells wrote: »

What high rolling gamblers?

100notes per ticket, and sure you'd want to be buying a handful to stand a good chance, ah shure here's 1.2k I'll take half a dozen, the wife too.

KevRossi

The raffle is for an apartment in London with a current value of £695,000. If you win it, you are free to live in it, rent it out or sell it on, it is yours, but you will pay any conveyance charges and any management fees as long as it is in your name.

Roscommon GAA ran a similar raffle this year for a house in Ashtown, Dublin 15, value approx €425,000. Tickets were €100 and were limited to 15,000 tickets. The house was won by a guy from Mauritius living in Lucan, his name was Kumar. Money raised is for development of the Hyde Park in Roscommon and the new Dermot Earley Centre of Excellence (new training ground for Roscommon GAA).

I got a ticket last year and will get one this year, as I'm a Rossie and I support the GAA. I almost never buy lottery tickets and only bet on the Grand National and the Gold Cup, so about another €100 a year on that.

It is on no way a scam, if it was it would not have been won by a lad from Mauritius, and I do not believe that this year is a scam either. It's run by a group of volunteers who put the €400,000 a year former head of the FAI and their board of directors to shame.

TAFKAlawhec

True story: Back in the 00's, a couple of years before the Celtic Tiger got shot, a GAA club in Tyrone ran one such raffle to win a new semi-detached house in the local area, alongside some other smaller prizes.

The winning ticket holder whom won the house was the head of the local Orange Lodge.

TuringBot47

NIMAN wrote: »

e100 is indeed tempting to win a house.

The one I entered was limited to 2500 tickets, plus there was about 8 or 10 decent other prizes too.

I fancied the odds.

2500 tickets @ €100 is €250,000
Sounds off when they had to buy a house with that money

One I tried was limited to 10,000 tickets.
Winner was a teacher in a primary school.

Stevieluvsye

KevRossi wrote: »

The raffle is for an apartment in London with a current value of £695,000. If you win it, you are free to live in it, rent it out or sell it on, it is yours, but you will pay any conveyance charges and any management fees as long as it is in your name.

Roscommon GAA ran a similar raffle this year for a house in Ashtown, Dublin 15, value approx €425,000. Tickets were €100 and were limited to 15,000 tickets. The house was won by a guy from Mauritius living in Lucan, his name was Kumar. Money raised is for development of the Hyde Park in Roscommon and the new Dermot Earley Centre of Excellence (new training ground for Roscommon GAA).

I got a ticket last year and will get one this year, as I'm a Rossie and I support the GAA. I almost never buy lottery tickets and only bet on the Grand National and the Gold Cup, so about another €100 a year on that.

It is on no way a scam, if it was it would not have been won by a lad from Mauritius, and I do not believe that this year is a scam either. It's run by a group of volunteers who put the €400,000 a year former head of the FAI and their board of directors to shame.

Very impressive indeed, and your last part is nail on the head

The Tetrarch

TAFKAlawhec wrote: »

True story: Back in the 00's, a couple of years before the Celtic Tiger got shot, a GAA club in Tyrone ran one such raffle to win a new semi-detached house in the local area, alongside some other smaller prizes.

The winning ticket holder whom won the house was the head of the local Orange Lodge.

I laughed.

DubDani

Local GAA club here has been doing the same. Currently raffling off a House in a nice local development.

Tickets are 100 and limited to a maximum of 5000 to be sold. There are additional prizes, like 15K in cash, a new Car, a Holiday and a few other cash prizes between 1K & 5K.

The club buys the house of a local Developer (that's already involved with the club) for a big discount and all the profits from the draw go into club development. Not a bad thing as long as all is over board and people can be trusted. I would only buy a ticket for some local draw rather then a wider/national draw that I have less visibility of.

Muahahaha

ROSSKI wrote: »

The draw that Roscommon had last year was a massive success raising over a million euro in ticket sales, this year with the help of Sean Mulryan again they are raffling a house in London, completely legit and very clever way of raising serious money, for €100 I would take a punt and only applaud them for there innovative thinking. gowantherossies

I passed by Sean Mulryans house (well stud) the other day. Hes got Christmas lights hanging from two giant tress about 15 metres tall in the grounds, it looks class. I presume he had to get a cherry picker in to do the job of hanging them up, pretty easy when you're a property developer

recyclebin

I clicked on ad for one of these on Facebook and now I'm plagued with them. There is one for Roscommon, one for Westport, one for Cavan and one for a Faythe Harriers in Wexford running at the minute.

dxhound2005

Elias Melodic Gauze wrote: »

If a recent case up in Co.Down can carry any influence or presedence in future for laws in Dublin, or elsewhere, then can't see this continuing for too long:
"Pulled because the prizes exceeded the maximum level permitted under the Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (NI) Order 1985"...

I.e. If a state thinks it will loose tax-take for what is gambling activity (not really charity), with very high-end value prizes, it would be unwise for them to ignore.
Of course it could be run through a proper bookie, who would operate it under legislation and cough up (a little bit) of tax along the way, and be subject to audits and so on.

The NI legislation is out of step with the rest of the UK. This means that all sorts of competitions exclude the North from participation. One I heard about was a Six Nations competition. RTE this year excluded the North from their competitions like the ones on the Late Late.

I think the report may have got it wrong in saying it is because of the value of the prize. The NI legislation stipulates that all prize competitions regardless of the value of the prizes have to have a substantial amount of skill involved, not simply the luck of the draw. Clubs and other organisations get away with it for small draws if nobody complains to the police.

Nothing to do with any competition run by a club in Ireland.

4068ac1elhodqr

dxhound2005 wrote: »

The NI legislation is out of step with the rest of the UK.

A step ahead perhaps, they disallow those 1-arm bandit machines that plagued Engerland with their 100notes per spin. That were easy profits for 10,000 or so bookie shops there. They also void many telly adverts for 'live tv virtual casino' nonsense, or put a terms at the bottom of such ads.

dxhound2005 wrote: »

I think the report may have got it wrong in saying it is because of the value of the prize. The NI legislation stipulates that all prize competitions regardless of the value of the prizes have to have a substantial amount of skill involved, not simply the luck of the draw. Clubs and other organisations get away with it for small draws if nobody complains to the police.

Think the article (or another) mentioned high value draws. Ain't no one bothered about a small raffles here and there for easter eggs, and hampers of mince pies.

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Nothing to do with any competition run by a club in Ireland.

The GAA ran this raffle in the North, so has some context. At very least, some regulation should be looked at for tickets of 100+a pop for prizes over 1/4m.

dxhound2005

Elias Melodic Gauze wrote: »

The GAA ran this raffle in the North, so has some context. At very least, some regulation should be looked at for tickets of 100+a pop for prizes over 1/4m.

There is quite a list of regulations on this one.

https://winnorthkildarehouse.ie/terms-conditions/

I am not familiar with the relevant law, but the organisers must have felt they were on solid legal ground.

The laws of the Republic of Ireland shall have application to these Terms and Conditions and the respective rights and obligations of each party hereto are governed by Irish Law.

whisky_galore

Not a fooking hope I'd buy a €100 raffle ticket, scam or not.

4068ac1elhodqr

dxhound2005 wrote: »

There is quite a list of regulations on this one.
https://winnorthkildarehouse.ie/terms-conditions/

Therein lies the problem, you cite a single, unique set of terms, and specific contract in N.Kildare.
Each house draw, may have it's own unique terms.
Also this agreement states: ...

.purposes not connected with gaming, wagering or lotteries.

Well, if it sounds like a 'win a house lottery' that requires a wager, then it is a form of gaming/gambling.

So the wider state law should therefore take a look at regulating these high rolling prizes, for high rolling gambles before they get too popular amist a housing crisis.

NIMAN

TuringBot47 wrote: »

2500 tickets @ €100 is €250,000
Sounds off when they had to buy a house with that money

One I tried was limited to 10,000 tickets.
Winner was a teacher in a primary school.

It was Donegal, our houses are a lot cheaper up here.

freshpopcorn

I have often heard of the cars being won.
I don't think the house has being done locally.

10000maniacs

NIMAN wrote: »

e100 is indeed tempting to win a house.

The one I entered was limited to 2500 tickets, plus there was about 8 or 10 decent other prizes too.

I fancied the odds.

Stick to the bookies.
2500 /1 odds for a €100 stake?
Did you ever notice in horse races, the 2500/1 horse always loses.