Finally, a Glock in .22lr.

tudderone

Wish these were available years ago when my centrefire glock licence renewal was refused. A factory made Glock in .22lr. Model number 44. Sadly it looks like we are screwed again as the barrel is only 4 inches long. Maybe they will do a long slide version in the future.

I cannot post a link as i am new here, but if you look on the Glock US website they are on there and on The firearm blog . com

J.R.

tudderone wrote: »

I cannot post a link as i am new here

https://us.glock.com/en/pistols/g44

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtkOwFyu3FM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPI-1mIYlbk

tudderone

Thanks J.R.

Grizzly 45

All they need to do is put a threaded barrel on it and you add a permanently attached "muzzle device" and you are sorted here.Give it about 18 months once it hits the US market,and the teething issues are worked out of the Gen 1 products[there always are],and you are going to see accessories aplenty that will make it legal here too.At least this is a genuine in house made Glock,not some pot metal, Urmarex toy

tudderone

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

At least this is a genuine in house made Glock,not some pot metal, Urmarex toy

That was my thinking too. I'd love a genuine, slightly scaled down 1911, like the old colt ace. But umarex have the market flooded with zinc/pot metal stuff. The only other pistol i remember being worth bothering with is the cz kadet. Lovely things. They are making a new one too with a polymer frame.

Witcher

Why is the barrel length a concern?

Grizzly 45

Under a certain length it becomes a restricted firearm,under the Crim Justice act misc provisions act.Ostensibly to prevent pocket pistols from becoming too easily available and us ligit shooters running amuck with them.:rolleyes:

Witcher

No it doesn't, the 10cm restriction was added by SI 337/2009;

. Article 4(2) of the Principal Order is amended—


(b) by the substitution of the following subparagraph for subparagraph (e)—

“(e) the following short firearms designed for use in connection with competitions governed by International Olympic Committee regulations:

(i) air-operated firearms of 4.5 millimetres (.177 inch) calibre;

(ii) single shot firearms using 0.22 inch long rifle rim fire percussion ammunition;

(iii) other firearms using 0.22 inch long rifle rim fire percussion ammunition provided that the maximum magazine capacity of such a firearm does not exceed five rounds and that the barrel length of the firearm is greater than 10 cm.”.

And removed by SI 391/2015;

3. Article 4(2) of the Firearms (Restricted Firearms and Ammunition) Order 2008 ( S.I. No. 21 of 2008 ) is amended by the substitution of the following subparagraph for subparagraph (e)—

(ii) single shot firearms designed for use with 0.22 inch long rifle rim fire percussion ammunition;

(iii) firearms which are designed for use with 0.22 inch long rifle rim fire percussion ammunition and use magazines that have been manufactured or modified prior to use so as to accommodate no more than five rounds of ammunition”.

We discussed it on the forum at the time sure.

tudderone

Witcher wrote: »

No it doesn't, the 10cm restriction was added by SI 337/2009;



And removed by SI 391/2015;



We discussed it on the forum at the time sure.

It does not mention barrel length at all in the second part of that quote, does the original condition of a 10cm barrel not stand ?

Witcher

tudderone wrote: »

It does not mention barrel length at all in the second part of that quote, does the original condition of a 10cm barrel not stand ?

No, it has substituted the whole paragraph.

Here's Spark's interpretation of it from back when it came out;

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=97062299&postcount=63

tudderone

Witcher wrote: »

No, it has substituted the whole paragraph.

Here's Spark's interpretation of it from back when it came out;

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=97062299&postcount=63

I might have to have a post christmas splurge so.

dc99

Hi - in any case 10cm is 3.9 inches so a 4 inch barrel would have been legal anyway

solarwinds

Barrel length on the Glock website states barrel length at 102mm / 4.01 inches.

tudderone

These are going to be available with a threaded barrel, but not in the States. The Glock factory set out to make it twice as reliable as the competition, they have a match barrel and are good for 1" groups at 25m.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_4tdgMbh78

Grizzly 45

Hmmm...Wonder will the clamp on full size Glock carbine kits work for this as well?Be a handy little package then for Bullseye 360.

gunhappy_ie

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Hmmm...Wonder will the clamp on full size Glock carbine kits work for this as well?Be a handy little package then for Bullseye 360.

Dimensional they are the same as a G19 but designed that a Centerfire slide and barrel will not work on them.

The likes of triggers, mag releases etc from the 19 will work in them.

tudderone

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Hmmm...Wonder will the clamp on full size Glock carbine kits work for this as well?Be a handy little package then for Bullseye 360.

Won't be too expensive to find out

https://hobbyairsoft.ie/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1579

Gorgeousgeorge

See cilldara hunting advertising the glock 44 in .22 on the aul facebook page

tudderone

Gorgeousgeorge wrote: »

See cilldara hunting advertising the glock 44 in .22 on the aul facebook page

They are not out until January i think.

Gorgeousgeorge

tudderone wrote: »

They are not out until January i think.

No idea was just on the feed

The pigeon man

tudderone wrote: »

They are not out until January i think.

Looks like it's going to be between €800-1100 when it hits the Irish market.

Also I hope the super has a good heart because the name Glock will undoubtedly leave him riddled with anxiety.

ZiabR

For the pistol owners out there, do you think it is going to get harder and harder to licence pistols in this country? Pistols are surely the hardest Firearm to get a licence for at the moment or am I complete off the mark?

Gorgeousgeorge

ZiabR wrote: »

For the pistol owners out there, do you think it is going to get harder and harder to licence pistols in this country? Pistols are surely the hardest Firearm to get a licence for at the moment or am I complete off the mark?

once you meet the requirements its easy, member of an authorised range, safe, monitored alarm separate safe for ammo etc etc whatever the supernintendo looks for.

aaakev

Gorgeousgeorge wrote: »

once you meet the requirements its easy, member of an authorised range, safe, monitored alarm separate safe for ammo etc etc whatever the supernintendo looks for.

What is the price of range membership these days in the likes of HH? My young lad is looking for his first rifle and he is more into shooting paper than hunting so I reckon I'll get a pistol to pass the time on the range when I bring him. The glock would definitely be on my radar!

Grizzly 45

tudderone wrote: »

Won't be too expensive to find out

https://hobbyairsoft.ie/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1579

How about ...NO...With airsoft stuff added to live firearms. Totally different plastics apprently used in these clam shells. You "might" get away with it if it is a .22 but deffo not with CF.I looked at this option and was strongly advised not to do so by those in the know in Europe.So I wouldnt even chance it with a .22

Grizzly 45

ZiabR wrote: »

For the pistol owners out there, do you think it is going to get harder and harder to licence pistols in this country? Pistols are surely the hardest Firearm to get a licence for at the moment or am I complete off the mark?

Not as bad as a CF semi auto sporting rifle;) THAT is the fun one these days.

Gorgeousgeorge

aaakev wrote: »

What is the price of range membership these days in the likes of HH? My young lad is looking for his first rifle and he is more into shooting paper than hunting so I reckon I'll get a pistol to pass the time on the range when I bring him. The glock would definitely be on my radar!

360 a year including insurance. discounts for familys students etc. get full use of all facilities for that. dont forget about courtlough and mnsci as well.

aaakev

Gorgeousgeorge wrote: »

360 a year including insurance. discounts for familys students etc. get full use of all facilities for that. dont forget about courtlough and mnsci as well.

No bad at all in fairness, especially for the facilities!

Kildare based so HH would be the one.

Cheers for the info

ZiabR

Just to add the Courtlough pricing for the (Pistol) range.

First years membership is €495, each year after that it is €350. Both prices do not include insurance, which is €50 a year.

Prices are much cheaper for Shotgun/Rifle range only.

tudderone

The pigeon man wrote: »

Looks like it's going to be between €800-1100 when it hits the Irish market.

Yeah right, i only paid 650 euro for a 9mm glock 17, ok it was a fair while ago but no way have they doubled in price since then. In the videos posted, they mentioned the recommended price as about 400 US dollars. With the exchange rate today, 400 USD is 360 euro. Even allowing for dealer mark-up anything over 450 euros is a piss-take.

ZiabR

tudderone wrote: »

Yeah right, i only paid 650 euro for a 9mm glock 17, ok it was a fair while ago but no way have they doubled in price since then. In the videos posted, they mentioned the recommended price as about 400 US dollars. With the exchange rate today, 400 USD is 360 euro. Even allowing for dealer mark-up anything over 450 euros is a piss-take.

Firearms pricing in Ireland across the board is at least 200-300 euro more. For example.

NEW Beretta 1 686 Sporter
UK Price - £1695
Ireland - €2150
Markup after currency conversion - €157

NEW Browning 525 Sporter 1
UK Price - £1550
Ireland - €2050
Markup after currency conversion - €228

Now i know the UK would import alot more guns than Ireland so maybe that has an impact of the pricing.

That being said, no matter what gun you look at, it will always be more expensive here.

tudderone

ZiabR wrote: »

Firearms pricing in Ireland across the board is at least 200-300 euro more. For example.

NEW Beretta 1 686 Sporter
UK Price - £1695
Ireland - €2150
Markup after currency conversion - €157

NEW Browning 525 Sporter 1
UK Price - £1550
Ireland - €2050
Markup after currency conversion - €228

Now i know the UK would import alot more guns than Ireland so maybe that has an impact of the pricing.

That being said, no matter what gun you look at, it will always be more expensive here.

Yeah i get that, rip off ireland etc. But no way would or should a 450 euro gun be 800-1200 euros as was said. I am old and hairy enough to know that things are a bit more expensive in Ireland, always have been, but thats taking the joke too far.


P.S just looked online, US dealers are already discounting this new pistol to $389.

tudderone

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

How about ...NO...With airsoft stuff added to live firearms. Totally different plastics apprently used in these clam shells. You "might" get away with it if it is a .22 but deffo not with CF.I looked at this option and was strongly advised not to do so by those in the know in Europe.So I wouldnt even chance it with a .22

But is it down to any technical considerations or is it political ? The airsofters not wanting to see any of their stuff on real firearms in case they are restricted or something ?

Gorgeousgeorge

tudderone wrote: »

Yeah i get that, rip off ireland etc. But no way would or should a 450 euro gun be 800-1200 euros as was said. I am old and hairy enough to know that things are a bit more expensive in Ireland, always have been, but thats taking the joke too far.


P.S just looked online, US dealers are already discounting this new pistol to $389.

take any beretta shotgun that came in legit and not grey. first they leave beretta with a mark up then hit gmk in the uk who put a percentage on top. their is no beretta ireland anymore everything comes in from gmk to authorised dealers here in ireland and another percentage is put on top by them. if bought direct from an authorised agent fine but say you buy off connolly red mills or sportsden or jim mcbride, then another percentage is put on.

could be 40-60 percent mark up by the time i get me hands on it

tudderone

Gorgeousgeorge wrote: »

take any beretta shotgun that came in legit and not grey. first they leave beretta with a mark up then hit gmk in the uk who put a percentage on top. their is no beretta ireland anymore everything comes in from gmk to authorised dealers here in ireland and another percentage is put on top by them. if bought direct from an authorised agent fine but say you buy off connolly red mills or sportsden or jim mcbride, then another percentage is put on.

could be 40-60 percent mark up by the time i get me hands on it

No one works for free, and everyone gets a cut, fair enough, but the idea you can rip someone off because you cannot get the product anywhere else in the country is wrong too.

Gorgeousgeorge

tudderone wrote: »

No one works for free, and everyone gets a cut, fair enough, but the idea you can rip someone off because you cannot get the product anywhere else in the country is wrong too.

Who's ripping off someone? I agree with you 100% but with 2nd hand 87t 98fs hammerli xesse etc 800+ that price does not look too bad.

tudderone

Gorgeousgeorge wrote: »

Who's ripping off someone? I agree with you 100% but with 2nd hand 87t 98fs hammerli xesse etc 800+ that price does not look too bad.

Charging twice the recommended retail price isn't ripping someone off ? We were told when we joined the euro and at the time of the Lisbon and nice treaties, that we would be paying much less for goods as it was a single market, what a load of lies that turned out to be. Why can't i buy a firearm in German or Italy or any other eurozone country and have it shipped here ?

The Irish are too quiet.

Gorgeousgeorge

tudderone wrote: »

Charging twice the recommended retail price isn't ripping someone off ? We were told when we joined the euro and at the time of the Lisbon and nice treaties, that we would be paying much less for goods as it was a single market, what a load of lies that turned out to be. Why can't i buy a firearm in German or Italy or any other eurozone country and have it shipped here ?

The Irish are too quiet.

Ah right I get ya now the shop thats selling them.

But you can buy a firearm and have it shipped here. Licence first then import licence. Had my dt10 from a shop in turin. Likes of top gun will get anything you want

ZiabR

Gorgeousgeorge wrote: »

Ah right I get ya now the shop thats selling them.

But you can buy a firearm and have it shipped here. Licence first then import licence. Had my dt10 from a shop in turin. Likes of top gun will get anything you want

How much did you save buying in Italy? Did you have to pay importation fees?

tudderone

ZiabR wrote: »

How much did you save buying in Italy? Did you have to pay importation fees?

There can't be importation fees between EU countries can there ?

Gorgeousgeorge

ZiabR wrote: »

How much did you save buying in Italy? Did you have to pay importation fees?

About 2k. Big savings to be had even buying in the uk. No fees duty vat etc. The Lads on here walked me through the process with the import licence and everything else. Shipping was 250.

https://armerianordovest.it/prodotto/beretta-so4/

That's a 5-7k gun here depending on condition. Says like new. Can buy trap dt10 in italy for 2k all day long if you look hard enough. Even zoli, renato gamba,salvinelli and F.A.I.R can be had half the cost of here.

Grizzly 45

tudderone wrote: »

But is it down to any technical considerations or is it political ? The airsofters not wanting to see any of their stuff on real firearms in case they are restricted or something ?

Nope,it's tech related in the materials used for Real VS Airsoft.Might look the same to the uniniated,but the airsoft stuff is a plastic,while the real firearm stuff is a polymer,or re enforced with metal where it counts.You proably "could" get away with it on low power rounds like a .22.But then again those who have the Urmarex brand of liscensed Walthers and Colts could tell you about parts failure of pot metal slides and bushings ,etc,as they were also compatible for airsoft and blank firing pistols as well a the .22.But you will NOT get away with it on a full powerhouse round like a 9mm.

ZiabR

Gorgeousgeorge wrote: »

About 2k. Big savings to be had even buying in the uk. No fees duty vat etc. The Lads on here walked me through the process with the import licence and everything else. Shipping was 250.

https://armerianordovest.it/prodotto/beretta-so4/

That's a 5-7k gun here depending on condition. Says like new. Can buy trap dt10 in italy for 2k all day long if you look hard enough. Even zoli, renato gamba,salvinelli and F.A.I.R can be had half the cost of here.

That is an impressive saving. Can't get over that, 2k? Thats the price of 7 years membership to my club or a second gun... mental.

Grizzly 45

Been saying it for years guys,shop around on the EU market.There are plenty of bargins out there.

Gorgeousgeorge

ZiabR wrote: »

That is an impressive saving. Can't get over that, 2k? Thats the price of 7 years membership to my club or a second gun... mental.

all depends on what you are looking for, seen some serious black friday deals in the sportsman gun centre. biggest prob is the wait could be 6 months+ after you have fully paid till you get what you bought

DocKS123

Would it be difficult to get a licence to have a suppressor for the G44?

aaakev

DocKS123 wrote: »

Would it be difficult to get a licence to have a suppressor for the G44?

Cant see what good reason you would have as you can only use it on a range where ear protection is mandatory

DocKS123

Would it not help to group better?

aaakev

DocKS123 wrote: »

Would it not help to group better?

Don't think the super would care too much about your groups

solarwinds

DocKS123 wrote: »

Would it be difficult to get a licence to have a suppressor for the G44?

Yes.
Are you trying to give your Super a heart attack from laughing so hard at your application.

DocKS123

Ok point taken :-) Happy Christmas everyone