bus customer service

suicide_circus

when i worked in a retail environment and a customer had an issue or complaint it was not acceptable for me to respond with "not my f*cking problem". yet this is the response when i raised an issue with a bus driver today. I never said he caused the issue but he is driving a dublin bus vehicle and wearing a dublin bus jumper - he represents the company to some extent, no? It has to be said i was not in the least surprised at his attitude as it seems to be an industry standard from my experience. the most rudimentary customer service training would tell you to at least hear the customer out but no.

just a little rant i guess, i dont expect things to change.

Better Than Christ

suicide_circus wrote: »

when i worked in a retail environment and a customer had an issue or complaint it was not acceptable for me to respond with "not my f*cking problem". yet this is the response when i raised an issue with a bus driver today. I never said he caused the issue but he is driving a dublin bus vehicle and wearing a dublin bus jumper - he represents the company to some extent, no? It has to be said i was not in the least surprised at his attitude as it seems to be an industry standard from my experience. the most rudimentary customer service training would tell you to at least hear the customer out but no.

just a little rant i guess, i dont expect things to change.

What was the nature of the issue? Was it something that the driver in question could have helped you with, or were you just venting?

What I'm trying to ask is, was it his problem?

suicide_circus

issue was the previous bus never showed, got down to "Due" and never appeared so myself and the other passengers had to wait another 25 mins. Eventually this bus shows up, he lets passengers off (it was the terminus) and the driver closes the door at which point I and the 20 other people at the stop became a bit dismayed and i tried to explain the situation. he did end up opening the door again and let us all on but its the initial reaction and total indifference to the customer that isnt on imo.

Joker2019

Honestly what did you expect. Why did you complain to the driver when whatever issue you had likely had nothing to do with the driver. While I disagree with the drivers attitude in swearing at you. You are likely completely directing the issue which you likely had at completely the wrong person.

There are approriate complaint channels you can use such as the DB and NTA customer comment forms. Taking out your problems on the driver is completely wrong. Unlike workingbin retail the driver is completely out on his/her own and doesn't have a manager nearby with whom to refer to. By all means write a complaint or ring a number but if you want your issue resolved talking to the driver is not going to work to your benefit.

Joker2019

suicide_circus wrote: »

issue was the previous bus never showed, got down to "Due" and never appeared so myself and the other passengers had to wait another 25 mins. Eventually this bus shows up, he lets passengers off (it was the terminus) and the driver closes the door at which point I and the 20 other people at the stop became a bit dismayed and i tried to explain the situation. he did end up opening the door again and let us all on but its the initial reaction and total indifference to the customer that isnt on imo.

Maybe he wasn't scheduled to go out until a certain time. The driver has nothing to do with RTPI apart from logging his bus into the avl. If the last bus didn't show up that is not his problem so hence you should complain to DB.

suicide_circus

i suppose i expect some basic level of human courtesy as i would with anyone working in any customer facing role. "ah sorry about that, very annoying i know but sure i just drive the things. I'd get on to customer service if i were you". too much to expect?

Joker2019

suicide_circus wrote: »

i suppose i expect some basic level of human courtesy as i would with anyone working in any customer facing role. "ah sorry about that, very annoying i know but sure i just drive the things. I'd get on to customer service if i were you". too much to expect?

Perhaps. Look I agree he may have a bad attitude or maybe he was just having a bad day anyway. However you still took up your issue with the wrong person.

suicide_circus

Joker2019 wrote: »

However you still took up your issue with the wrong person.

my issue wasnt that the last bus didnt show, it was that he was in service but had closed the door and was preparing to drive away.

OP your posts are getting no Thanks from anybody.
I'm having issues myself with Dublin Bus 15Bs.
Suck it up.

Bus driver..... Customer service.... Lol

Roll on the autonomous buses

Better Than Christ

suicide_circus wrote: »

issue was the previous bus never showed, got down to "Due" and never appeared so myself and the other passengers had to wait another 25 mins. Eventually this bus shows up, he lets passengers off (it was the terminus) and the driver closes the door at which point I and the 20 other people at the stop became a bit dismayed and i tried to explain the situation. he did end up opening the door again and let us all on but its the initial reaction and total indifference to the customer that isnt on imo.

So it wasn't his problem then. I know that when I've been driving a bus for two hours, the last thing I want to do at the terminus is start dealing with a new (and possibly irate) bunch of passengers immediately, especially if I'm not due to depart for a while. I always close the doors after the last passenger gets off, so I can take five minutes to reset the ticket machine, check for lost property... and stretch my legs and breathe. And yes, that involves what looks like total indifference. My attitude is that five minutes won't kill them.

suicide_circus wrote: »

i suppose i expect some basic level of human courtesy as i would with anyone working in any customer facing role. "ah sorry about that, very annoying i know but sure i just drive the things. I'd get on to customer service if i were you". too much to expect?

For a surprising amount of people, that isn't enough. I've made the mistake of trying to be helpful at the end of my shift, when I see a crowd of people at the terminus waiting for some other bus that hasn't shown up. And after calling the control room to find out where their bus is, all I've got in return is hassle and abuse because, well, I'm wearing the company's uniform. I've literally had to beg people to get off my bus so that I can go home. It doesn't matter to them that I've just finished a ten hour shift and am about to bring the bus back to the garage for another driver to take over - all they see is a bus going 'out of service' when (as far as they're concerned) it should be bringing them home. Because they are all that matters.

So nowadays, my policy at the end of a shift, or if I'm going on my break, is to switch the display to 'Out of Service' at the second last stop, so that anyone waiting at the terminus doesn't know what route the bus has just been on. And I stop as far away from them as possible, close the doors, switch the interior lights off and get the hell out of there as quickly as possible, looking the other way as I pass them.

Salary Negotiator

Passengers are only a nuisance to some DB drivers.

suicide_circus

Better Than Christ wrote: »

So it wasn't his problem then. I know that when I've been driving a bus for two hours, the last thing I want to do at the terminus is start dealing with a new (and possibly irate) bunch of passengers immediately, especially if I'm not due to depart for a while. I always close the doors after the last passenger gets off, so I can take five minutes to reset the ticket machine, check for lost property... and stretch my legs and breathe. And yes, that involves what looks like total indifference. My attitude is that five minutes won't kill them.



For a surprising amount of people, that isn't enough. I've made the mistake of trying to be helpful at the end of my shift, when I see a crowd of people at the terminus waiting for some other bus that hasn't shown up. And after calling the control room to find out where their bus is, all I've got in return is hassle and abuse because, well, I'm wearing the company's uniform. I've literally had to beg people to get off my bus so that I can go home. It doesn't matter to them that I've just finished a ten hour shift and am about to bring the bus back to the garage for another driver to take over - all they see is a bus going 'out of service' when (as far as they're concerned) it should be bringing them home. Because they are all that matters.

So nowadays, my policy at the end of a shift, or if I'm going on my break, is to switch the display to 'Out of Service' at the second last stop, so that anyone waiting at the terminus doesn't know what route the bus has just been on. And I stop as far away from them as possible, close the doors, switch the interior lights off and get the hell out of there as quickly as possible, looking the other way as I pass them.

well your attitude seems to be pretty standard. does customer service play any part in your training as a matter of interest?

Joker2019

suicide_circus wrote: »

well your attitude seems to be pretty standard. does customer service play any part in your training as a matter of interest?

Attitude seems perfectly reasonable to me. Is a driver not entitled to catch his/her breath before doing another trip espeicially on a long route. I'm sure it does play a part in the training NTA seem to be pushing. Customer service training is 9 times out of 10 a pretty useless exercise.

.G.

Salary Negotiator wrote: »

Passengers are only a nuisance to some DB drivers.

"it'd be a great job if it wasn't for the skulls" was an oft heard phrase in DB when I drove for them.

suicide_circus

Joker2019 wrote: »

Atiitude seems perfectly reasonable to me.

says it all really

Joker2019

suicide_circus wrote: »

says it all really

Why whats wrong with the OPs attitude?

Mrs OBumble

OP, what you expect would be delivered by most private operators that I'm aware of. (There are a couple of exceptions, running city-only services.)

But it's not delivered by the employees of most state-owned bus companies. Apparently these state-owned companies are a lot better to work for than the private operators - presumably because being rude to customers is allowed.

Joker2019

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

OP, what you expect would be delivered by most private operators that I'm aware of. (There are a couple of exceptions, running city-only services.)

But it's not delivered by the employees of most state-owned bus companies. Apparently these state-owned companies are a lot better to work for than the private operators - presumably because being rude to customers is allowed.

I have come across rude drivers with private operators and very nice drivers with state operators. Most drivers just like people (which drivers are in fact) are fine but some are complete arseholes you get that everywhere. I've come across rude staff in shops and have come across rude people in all walks of life.

Better Than Christ

suicide_circus wrote: »

well your attitude seems to be pretty standard. does customer service play any part in your training as a matter of interest?

It plays a huge part. But common sense and self-care are important too.

suicide_circus

Joker2019 wrote: »

Why whats wrong with the OPs attitude?

eh...i am the OP

Joker2019

suicide_circus wrote: »

eh...i am the OP

The other OP

Isambard

could this be the scenario? Bus turns up at a terminus where the driver might expect a few minutes break and time to set up the vehicle for the return only to have irate passengers banging on his door and giving out to him that the previous bus didn't show. If so, I'd find that a bit annoying if I were him.

Spanish Eyes

The vast majority of DB drivers are sound as a pound. They have to deal with horrendous traffic and often belligerent passengers too. I salute them. Everyone can have a bad day now and then, including me.

It really is not within their remit to comment on the arrival or departure times of any bus.

Contact DB Head Office on Twitter or whatever medium, and leave our bus drivers to do their job, i.e. DRIVE us in and out.

suicide_circus

AGAIN my issue was that he was driving away without picking us up after the last bus failed to arrive. a decision he thought better of some moments later

Spanish Eyes

suicide_circus wrote: »

AGAIN my issue was that he was driving away without picking us up after the last bus failed to arrive. a decision he thought better of some moments later

Ah ok, but you have to let it go. It doesn't happen frequently and maybe he had piles or something :eek:

suicide_circus

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Ah ok, but you have to let it go. It doesn't happen frequently and maybe he had piles or something :eek:

ah i've let this incident go but wouldn't it be nice to extend a little common courtesy to eachother this festive season...

Spanish Eyes

suicide_circus wrote: »

ah i've let this incident go but wouldn't it be nice to extend a little common courtesy to eachother this festive season...

We never know what's going on in someone's life, so I try to give the benefit of the doubt when things go wrong for me. I sound very saintly, but I most certainly am not, but am empathetic and look for possible reasons, and get on with it.

There but for the grace of (whomever) go I.

Better Than Christ

suicide_circus wrote: »

AGAIN my issue was that he was driving away without picking us up after the last bus failed to arrive. a decision he thought better of some moments later

It's unlikely that it was his decision to make. He could have been waiting for his controller to advise him on what to do.

I recently pulled up at a terminus at a busy shopping centre 23 minutes late due to traffic. My controller had contacted me earlier in the journey, telling me to abandon the next trip and drive 'out of service' as far as the opposite terminus, so that I could hopefully get back on-time for the rest of the evening. It's not ideal, but with scant resources, difficult decisions sometimes have to be made for the benefit of the service as a whole. As it turned out, there was a large queue at the first bus stop, so I radioed control to suggest that it would - on balance - be the wrong decision to (a) leave fifty people standing in the rain, and (b) let the driver of the next bus deal with them. The controllers were dealing with other incidents, so it took them a few minutes to get back to me.

During this time, a large number of irate passengers were staring at me (I was a safe distance away, displaying 'Ás Seirbhís', so they hadn't quite started banging on the doors yet). As far as they were concerned, I was just an ignorant bus driver, sitting on his warm bus, not giving a damn about them getting soaked. In the end, the controller agreed that I should pick them up. Even after I explained to them why I was waiting, and that I had been arguing in favour of not leaving them on the side of the road for God knows how long, they weren't very grateful. I'd think twice about doing it again.

Isambard

suicide_circus wrote: »

AGAIN my issue was that he was driving away without picking us up after the last bus failed to arrive. a decision he thought better of some moments later

you said nothing about him driving away initially, I suspect he was closing the doors whilst having a bit of a break and doing whatever he has to do at a terminus.

Joker2019

Better Than Christ wrote: »

It's unlikely that it was his decision to make. He could have been waiting for his controller to advise him on what to do.

I recently pulled up at a terminus at a busy shopping centre 23 minutes late due to traffic. My controller had contacted me earlier in the journey, telling me to abandon the next trip and drive 'out of service' as far as the opposite terminus, so that I could hopefully get back on-time for the rest of the evening. It's not ideal, but with scant resources, difficult decisions sometimes have to be made for the benefit of the service as a whole. As it turned out, there was a large queue at the first bus stop, so I radioed control to suggest that it would - on balance - be the wrong decision to (a) leave fifty people standing in the rain, and (b) let the driver of the next bus deal with them. The controllers were dealing with other incidents, so it took them a few minutes to get back to me.

During this time, a large number of irate passengers were staring at me (I was a safe distance away, displaying 'Ás Seirbhís', so they hadn't quite started banging on the doors yet). As far as they were concerned, I was just an ignorant bus driver, sitting on his warm bus, not giving a damn about them getting soaked. In the end, the controller agreed that I should pick them up. Even after I explained to them why I was waiting, and that I had been arguing in favour of not leaving them on the side of the road for God knows how long, they weren't very grateful. I'd think twice about doing it again.

IATDF (It's always the drivers fault)

punisher5112

I am absolutely drained with all the stupid questions, aggression and plain thickness towards me and others alike.....

db has inspectors, chief inspectors, super chief inspectors, admin staff, admin managers, depot managers, management over different sides of the Liffey, HR management, customer experience manager yes customer experience manager.... I kid you not and more managers and the CEO.....

I have absolutely nothing to do with the bus not turning up or it left you behind or it showed it was due and disappeared.....

There are all of the above that are paid an absolute fortune and why not contact them.....


I'm paid to drive from A to B and B to A safely and to the best of my ability.....

I'm not there to be abused, threatened, spat on, punched, spoken to like a fool etc etc....

We aren't even told if the bus ahead was off or not.

We can only see what is in front of us at any one given time....

punisher5112

Isambard wrote: »

could this be the scenario? Bus turns up at a terminus where the driver might expect a few minutes break and time to set up the vehicle for the return only to have irate passengers banging on his door and giving out to him that the previous bus didn't show. If so, I'd find that a bit annoying if I were him.

Regularly happens, people need to realise the journey we just had was a really bad one with all sorts that happen....

Abuse is on the rise imo and stupidity seems to be also.....


Traffic is a nightmare and not only that dealing with cyclists that have absolutely no respect for their own lives never mind others....

When I get to the end them 3 minutes to yourself are sometimes the only thing that can keep you going....

punisher5112

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Bus driver..... Customer service.... Lol

Roll on the autonomous buses

Exactly and not a runner will be waited for.....

Buses run for those that wait not those that run.....

punisher5112

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

OP, what you expect would be delivered by most private operators that I'm aware of. (There are a couple of exceptions, running city-only services.)

But it's not delivered by the employees of most state-owned bus companies. Apparently these state-owned companies are a lot better to work for than the private operators - presumably because being rude to customers is allowed.

Watch you don't fall of that horse.....


The attitude towards drivers is shocking to say the least.....


If someone is nice to me I'll be exactly the same back.....

You come on all guns blazing well sorry I ain't going to be dealing with that....

Stress is huge in our roles and believe me it's only getting worse.

To be honest there should be no interaction with a driver at all.

If one gets on pays, sits down and gets off as any normal person would then 100% there would never be any issue or complaints etc....

So many complaints put in over the years of absolute madness...

Driver kidnapped me, driver smiled at me, driver wouldn't talk to me, took me against my will and I was afraid what he would do to me at the last stop etc etc etc......


If I were to actually take most stuff seriously I'd be 6 feet under a long time ago....

Isambard

punisher5112 wrote: »

Regularly happens, people need to realise the journey we just had was a really bad one with all sorts that happen....

Abuse is on the rise imo and stupidity seems to be also.....


Traffic is a nightmare and not only that dealing with cyclists that have absolutely no respect for their own lives never mind others....

When I get to the end them 3 minutes to yourself are sometimes the only thing that can keep you going....

and what should be born in mind is that in a case where a bus is missing, the next driver will have had the scenario in this thread at every stop along the way. No wonder they get pissed off!

Midnight_EG

suicide_circus wrote: »

when i worked in a retail environment and a customer had an issue or complaint it was not acceptable for me to respond with "not my f*cking problem". yet this is the response when i raised an issue with a bus driver today. I never said he caused the issue but he is driving a dublin bus vehicle and wearing a dublin bus jumper - he represents the company to some extent, no? It has to be said i was not in the least surprised at his attitude as it seems to be an industry standard from my experience. the most rudimentary customer service training would tell you to at least hear the customer out but no.

just a little rant i guess, i dont expect things to change.

You raised an issue with a driver that he had absolutely no clue about. Not his fault you didn't get a satisfactory answer, you should have asked the correct people i.e Customer Service.

Polar101

I never really understand why people complain to the driver of the 'next bus' - it's not his fault the previous bus didn't show up, and it's unlikely he knows why it happened. Sure, I'm annoyed when I have to wait in the rain for 30 minutes for a 39a that is supposed to run every 10 minutes - and when five "sorry, not sorry" -buses pass by in the meanwhile. But I don't see that being the drivers' fault.

Midnight_EG

Polar101 wrote: »

I never really understand why people complain to the driver of the 'next bus' - it's not his fault the previous bus didn't show up, and it's unlikely he knows why it happened. Sure, I'm annoyed when I have to wait in the rain for 30 minutes for a 39a that is supposed to run every 10 minutes - and when five "sorry, not sorry" -buses pass by in the meanwhile. But I don't see that being the drivers' fault.

The gas thing is... It's literally never the drivers fault

Joker2019

Why do people get annoyed when out of service buses go past when they're waiting for a bus that's literally like getting annoyed at the other passing traffic for not being your bus

TheChizler

Midnight_EG wrote: »

You raised an issue with a driver that he had absolutely no clue about. Not his fault you didn't get a satisfactory answer, you should have asked the correct people i.e Customer Service.

The driver could have explained that rather than swearing at the OP.

Midnight_EG

TheChizler wrote: »

The driver could have explained that rather than swearing at the OP.

One can imagine that the OP didn't direct his displeasure in a nice way, as no passenger ever does

punisher5112

I've got to the point if you don't say hi or excuse me my answers will be just as short.

If one gets on and is respectful then I will do what I can.

Polar101

Joker2019 wrote: »

Why do people get annoyed when out of service buses go past when they're waiting for a bus that's literally like getting annoyed at the other passing traffic for not being your bus

It is pretty annoying when you see a bus arrive from the city to the terminus, and then go out of service, while you are still waiting for the bus that was supposed to show up a while back.

punisher5112

Polar101 wrote: »

It is pretty annoying when you see a bus arrive from the city to the terminus, and then go out of service, while you are still waiting for the bus that was supposed to show up a while back.

But it doesn't mean it is the bus, it could be the one ahead or behind.

Many duties have you go special to or from the terminus as to break, finish or start off at another point especially if running late.

Control will usually then move up the next bus to try and lower the gap time. Yes it's not ideal but there are so many variables such as a collision, huge delays, busy with more passenger then usual etc etc...

Joker2019

Polar101 wrote: »

It is pretty annoying when you see a bus arrive from the city to the terminus, and then go out of service, while you are still waiting for the bus that was supposed to show up a while back.

Well then they should get annoyed at the fact a car might pull up and not pick you up. Maybe they should get annoyed with the air passing by as well that's no their bus either. The fact is a bus that pulls up and leaves OOS is not the bus they are supposed to be on and it was not scheduled to be either.

Better Than Christ

Polar101 wrote: »

It is pretty annoying when you see a bus arrive from the city to the terminus, and then go out of service, while you are still waiting for the bus that was supposed to show up a while back.

I can see how it's disappointing when a bus arrives and you think it's the one you're waiting for, but it turns out not to be. This is one of the reasons why I always switch the display to 'Out of Service' before arriving at the terminus - I don't want to give anyone false hope. The tantrums I've seen though, from grown adults, who think they're entitled to harangue me because I'm going home and therefore can't be at their beck and call. It's about as rational as seeing a shop that's just closed and banging on the shutters because someone's still inside and you want your cigarettes.

When it comes to public transport, there is a very entitled attitude in this country. Look at the rude arseholes who obsessively tweet Dublin Bus, Bus Éireann and Go Ahead, demanding answers from the unfortunate person operating the Twitter account. Those accounts should be for the purpose of providing assistance and information, but for the most part, they're little more than a convenient punch bag for spoilt brats.

Isambard

TheChizler wrote: »

The driver could have explained that rather than swearing at the OP.

i'm afraid that the language used isn't really a factor to take into account in this day and age. Expletives are normal nowadays and many people don't even realise they are using them. Had he said "not my business you ****ing old cow", that would be a different matter. He didn't actually swear AT the person.

magicbastarder

Isambard wrote: »

i'm afraid that the language used isn't really a factor to take into account in this day and age.

um, when talking to a customer, it is.

Tchaikovsky

So representing the company you work for in a professional, not-swearing-at-the-customer-kinda-way gone out the window?

StreetLight

Tchaikovsky wrote: »

So representing the company you work for in a professional, not-swearing-at-the-customer-kinda-way gone out the window?

That works both ways. It does not entitle a customer to abuse a member of staff who may not be in a position to give answers one wants to hear.