PSA give the Opel Insignia a facelift

GeneHunt

Opel reveals the new face of the Insignia, with new headlights and front grille. I'm guessing the face-lifted Insignia is going to be powered by PSA engines now too. According to the TopGear article, Vauxhall are killing off the Insignia Sports Tourer and the Country Tourer wagons. That probably means the Tourer is gone here too.

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Andrewf20

Still cant warm to its styling. I think the original model from 10 years back is better looking.

ba_barabus

Hopefully they sort build quality issues.

bazz26

Hertz and Enterprise will be delighted.

Toyotafanboi

... and still nobody wants one.

punisher5112

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

... and still nobody wants one.

Rep mobile....

Seems rental and reps are biggest users then.

Damien360

punisher5112 wrote: »

Rep mobile....

Seems rental and reps are biggest users then.

Insignia was the rep car of choice around 2010-11. Interiors were far better than avensis and mondeo of the time. Skoda superb is choice right now and seems to have overtaken the Passat. I’m judging on reg plates with lease companies listed on back and visitor car parks of companies I visit.

I don’t like the look of the current insignia. Looks squashed on the back.

Lots of toys for good value first and then interior and engine sways a lot of us reps where I work.

Yawlboy

I dislike the TURBO badges on them, looks like 1980's Halfords stick ons.

punisher5112

Yawlboy wrote: »

I dislike the TURBO badges on them, looks like 1980's Halfords stick ons.

Reminds me of all the cars in the whest with red TDI, turbo, A/C, auto etc....

Some garage was adding them on as were drivers...

theguzman

ba_barabus wrote: »

Hopefully they sort build quality issues.

Opel are now part of PSA, the geniuses who gift us Peugeot, Citroen junkmobiles. Opel weren't good before and now as part of the French work a day, strike a day methodology the word quality goes through the floor. One need only look at the other French lemon Renault and Dacia and weep.

colm_mcm

Your opinions are a little outdated

ba_barabus

theguzman wrote: »

Opel are now part of PSA, the geniuses who gift us Peugeot, Citroen junkmobiles. Opel weren't good before and now as part of the French work a day, strike a day methodology the word quality goes through the floor. One need only look at the other French lemon Renault and Dacia and weep.

Careful and don't fall off that high stool.

PSA are actually producing some very good, well built cars at the minute as are Renault/Nissan/Dacia.

The issues for Opel stem from the under investment by GM. Models like the Astra/Mokka/Insignia that were introduced before PSA took over or just after aren't fairing too well and it's not down to a single issue but multiple issues.

PSA have financially turned Opel around to make a profit for the first time in decades. The PSA derived models aren't too bad either if a little bland. So hopefully things will turn around for them quickly enough.

Cee-Jay-Cee

Bring back the Ascona I say!!

Dravokivich

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

Bring back the Ascona I say!!

MANTA!!!!

listermint

Whats the crack with alot of the 2010-2012 insignias engine going gaboom ? I know personally of 2 people where the engines gave out within 2 years of ownership.

Surely those that are harping about build quality know the insignia is not known for it.

colm_mcm

Are the petrol ones badged TURBO? I’ve seen TURBO D as well

astrofool

colm_mcm wrote: »

Are the petrol ones badged TURBO? I’ve seen TURBO D as well

I think the "E" fell off.

Tuco88

Opel were big brand in Ireland, died off in the late 90s early 00s imo. Our family had a few, 80s made opels were the best.

Ascona 400 thats the one, and the only opel for me. Personally not a big fan of the Mantas. 70s Manta A models looked nice, 80s looked awful front end and lights. Id take the Cossie time and time again

Rodin

Centre of bonnet too high on the 1st edition

punisher5112

Tuco88 wrote: »

Opel were big brand in Ireland, died off in the late 90s early 00s imo. Our family had a few, 80s made opels were the best.

Ascona 400 thats the one, and the only opel for me. Personally not a big fan of the Mantas. 70s Manta A models looked nice, 80s looked awful front end and lights. Id take the Cossie time and time again

Kadett was my dad's choice.

Easy to work on not like today.

coolbeans

theguzman wrote: »

Opel are now part of PSA, the geniuses who gift us Peugeot, Citroen junkmobiles. Opel weren't good before and now as part of the French work a day, strike a day methodology the word quality goes through the floor. One need only look at the other French lemon Renault and Dacia and weep.

Pretty clueless stuff there.

Capra

coolbeans wrote: »

Pretty clueless stuff there.

Wouldn't be a boards.ie car thread without someone repeating some generic nonsense based upon stereotypes of the past.

Hellrazer

ba_barabus wrote: »

Hopefully they sort build quality issues.

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

... and still nobody wants one.

I think these 2 could be related. They are an awful heap of ****e to be honest.

The problems they are giving are just stupid build quality issues.

For example last week I fitted 7 accelerator pedals to Insignias, 2 clutch and brake recalls (every single hydraulic component changed due to clutch pedals dropping to the floor and not returning) , multiple software updates for ridiculous issues and that's only the ones I can remember.
Btw these were 18 and 19 model year cars.

They need to sort out build quality issues. Hopefully now that they are on the PSA platform reliability will get better since Peugeot topped the reliability index this year in the UK ahead of brands expected to be on top.

ba_barabus

Hellrazer wrote: »

I think these 2 could be related. They are an awful heap of ****e to be honest.

The problems they are giving are just stupid build quality issues.

For example last week I fitted 7 accelerator pedals to Insignias, 2 clutch and brake recalls (every single hydraulic component changed due to clutch pedals dropping to the floor and not returning) , multiple software updates for ridiculous issues and that's only the ones I can remember.
Btw these were 18 and 19 model year cars.

They need to sort out build quality issues. Hopefully now that they are on the PSA platform reliability will get better since Peugeot topped the reliability index this year in the UK ahead of brands expected to be on top.

I'm told the PSA based models are good apart from heater matrices on the Grandland models.

The GM designed Insignias are piss poor, as are the Ashtrays.

I know of several long term dealers about to dump the brand since Gowran took over. They're refusing trade ins of Opel and redirecting customers to the alternative brands they sell.

road_high

I had one for 6 months as a temp lease car and loved it. The dash and infotainment are excellent, the interior leagues ahead of the mark one. The 1.6 diesel was very impressive too if a but loud at low speeds and when cold. Very economical though. Fine big car with plenty of space and decent dynamics. The looks could have been better executed but was still a handsome car. Overall I was very impressed with it

road_high

coolbeans wrote: »

Pretty clueless stuff there.

They probably think German cars are reliable!

Hellrazer

ba_barabus wrote: »

I'm told the PSA based models are good apart from heater matrices on the Grandland models.

The GM designed Insignias are piss poor, as are the Ashtrays.

I know of several long term dealers about to dump the brand since Gowran took over. They're refusing trade ins of Opel and redirecting customers to the alternative brands they sell.

Theres not enough of the Psa ones around for me to make an informed opinion about yet but the few Ive seen don't seem to be as bad as the GM ones.
However the spec has taken a hit especially with the radio and dash.
Seems to be a lot less gadgets for your money :)

I haven't seen the issue youre talking about on the Grandlands.

To be perfectly honest the GM astra is probably the most reliable car of that era. Again theres a recall on the brake and clutch system (diesels) that requires the entire hydraulic system to be replaced but once its done they don't give many issues..

road_high

Hellrazer wrote: »

I think these 2 could be related. They are an awful heap of ****e to be honest.

The problems they are giving are just stupid build quality issues.

For example last week I fitted 7 accelerator pedals to Insignias, 2 clutch and brake recalls (every single hydraulic component changed due to clutch pedals dropping to the floor and not returning) , multiple software updates for ridiculous issues and that's only the ones I can remember.
Btw these were 18 and 19 model year cars.

They need to sort out build quality issues. Hopefully now that they are on the PSA platform reliability will get better since Peugeot topped the reliability index this year in the UK ahead of brands expected to be on top.

Disappointing to hear the new model is giving problems. The mark 1 has a bad enough name as it. Saying that I put 150k kms from new on one without a bother. Never ever let me down. Was the 160 bhp SRI and a lovely car when new

Hellrazer

road_high wrote: »

I had one for 6 months as a temp lease car and loved it. The dash and infotainment are excellent, the interior leagues ahead of the mark one. The 1.6 diesel was very impressive too if a but loud at low speeds and when cold. Very economical though. Fine big car with plenty of space and decent dynamics. The looks could have been better executed but was still a handsome car. Overall I was very impressed with it

You only had it 6 months --if you had it another 6 you`d start to see the issues that Ive mentioned above starting to creep in!!!

I agree with you though-without the problems they`d be a fantastic car to own.

road_high

Hellrazer wrote: »

You only had it 6 months --if you had it another 6 you`d start to see the issues that Ive mentioned above starting to creep in!!!

I agree with you though-without the problems they`d be a fantastic car to own.

Yea it’s a highly competitive car in my opinion. Would take one over anything in its class bar the 508 probably. The only ones I see are rental or lease. Rare to see a privately owned one

Hellrazer

road_high wrote: »

Disappointing to hear the new model is giving problems. The mark 1 has a bad enough name as it. Saying that I put 150k kms from new on one without a bother. Never ever let me down. Was the 160 bhp SRI and a lovely car when new

The mark 1 issue with engines was down to poor servicing. Oil pump seal went hard if they went over their service intervals regularly.
So a lot of them engine failures were in ex reps / rental cars or people just not bothering to service them on time.

Anyone that Ive seen serviced on time from new never suffered with the oil pump seal failure.

road_high

Hellrazer wrote: »

The mark 1 issue with engines was down to poor servicing. Oil pump seal went hard if they went over their service intervals regularly.
So a lot of them engine failures were in ex reps / rental cars or people just not bothering to service them on time.

Anyone that Ive seen serviced on time from new never suffered with the oil pump seal failure.

Mine was always serviced in the button but someone else here was saying that even didn’t matter and the issues would still arise! I’ve seen it around so hopefully the next owner got on ok

Grab All Association

ba_barabus wrote: »

I'm told the PSA based models are good apart from heater matrices on the Grandland models.

The GM designed Insignias are piss poor, as are the Ashtrays.

I know of several long term dealers about to dump the brand since Gowran took over. They're refusing trade ins of Opel and redirecting customers to the alternative brands they sell.

I have a cousin across the pond who had the 2.8Ltr 4x4 version that was pretty decent. The Jesus says no mentality at time prevented them selling here though. Today it’s the Eamon Ryan says no mentality.

Off topic- Him and Gormely have condemned us all to cancer in the next few decades with the incentives for poverty specs diesels with steel wheels and plastic caps.

Absolute craziness people giving up their 1.4ltr petrol Golf’s for diesels doing local miles. Thankfully times are changing. Does anyone remember how difficult it was to sell our petrol cars back in 08? The greens will never ever get a vote from me. Rant over

ba_barabus

Hellrazer wrote: »

To be perfectly honest the GM astra is probably the most reliable car of that era. Again theres a recall on the brake and clutch system (diesels) that requires the entire hydraulic system to be replaced but once its done they don't give many issues..

Have they sorted the whisper shyte engines?

Don't get me wrong, I actually like the current Insignia and Astra.i just couldn't buy one given a 'll I've heard.

punisher5112

Eamon Ryan wants us to increase our population to 10million or more....

He opposes any road upgrades such as N11 to M11 grade.....

This green party absolutely shafted us.

Diesel given the cheapest tax and Nox was known about even back then....

I've known of quite a few insignia blowing up.

Cheap horrible places to be and the Vectra before it was dirt too.

I do miss the omega's though... Some machine rear wheel drive....

PSA would have been better dropping the insignia and renamed it....

road_high

punisher5112 wrote: »

Eamon Ryan wants us to increase our population to 10million or more....

He opposes any road upgrades such as N11 to M11 grade.....

This green party absolutely shafted us.

Diesel given the cheapest tax and Nox was known about even back then....

I've known of quite a few insignia blowing up.

Cheap horrible places to be and the Vectra before it was dirt too.

I do miss the omega's though... Some machine rear wheel drive....

PSA would have been better dropping the insignia and renamed it....

New insignia is a lovely car and the old model wasn’t bad at all in the higher specs. I had both. A lot of investment had gone into it so they couldn’t just drop it immediately. They may do in the future though any future insignia will be a 508 based car

road_high

ba_barabus wrote: »

Have they sorted the whisper shyte engines?

Don't get me wrong, I actually like the current Insignia and Astra.i just couldn't buy one given a 'll I've heard.

Were the whisper engines giving bother?

ba_barabus

road_high wrote: »

Were the whisper engines giving bother?

Rattling timing chains. I've heard of another issue but can't recall it

road_high

ba_barabus wrote: »

Rattling timing chains. I've heard of another issue but can't recall it

You’d think after the previous bother with the 2.0litre they’d have done everything to avoid a repeat? I blame GM they are a terrible penny pinching lot

The insignia has always been a bit of a whipping boy for people. When you consider the attitude towards i40’s too from “petrol heads” I think a lot of it is just because the Gardai use them a lot.

road_high

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

The insignia has always been a bit of a whipping boy for people. When you consider the attitude towards i40’s too from “petrol heads” I think a lot of it is just because the Gardai use them a lot.

No I think I40s are ****e but I like Insignias so long as they’re not the poverty spec models. The insignias the traffic corps have are savage think they’re 2.8 twin turbos? The Insignia unquestionably has had reliability issues which are unfortunate

road_high

road_high wrote: »

No I think I40s are ****e but I like Insignias so long as they’re not the poverty spec models. The insignias the traffic corps have are savage think they’re 2.8 twin turbos? The Insignia unquestionably has had reliability issues which are unfortunate

There’s very little wrong with an i40 really, or the ‘poverty’ insignias. You’ll have some twonk telling you how great a duster is but Hyundai’s are ****e :rolleyes:

punisher5112

road_high wrote: »

No I think I40s are ****e but I like Insignias so long as they’re not the poverty spec models. The insignias the traffic corps have are savage think they’re 2.8 twin turbos? The Insignia unquestionably has had reliability issues which are unfortunate

They're the 2.0 with 190ps.

I can't say 100% if there are or not the 2.8 but I don't believe so.

They had the OPC Vectra in silver haven't seen it in a while.

They put a standard handbrake in the estates the roads policing have.

Wouldn't say no to the 2.8 4x4 myself though.

punisher5112

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

There’s very little wrong with an i40 really, or the ‘poverty’ insignias. You’ll have some twonk telling you how great a duster is but Hyundai’s are ****e :rolleyes:

Gearbox and clutch issues....

Underpowered for policing work especially when you see them as roads policing units.

You want a good handling vehicle as these will in most cases be driven hard to get places when needed.

road_high

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

There’s very little wrong with an i40 really, or the ‘poverty’ insignias. You’ll have some twonk telling you how great a duster is but Hyundai’s are ****e :rolleyes:

I think the I40s is very dated and a lot less capable than the Insignia.

bazz26

The i40 wasn't even class leading when it was launched nearly 9 years ago, these days they are prehistoric. I really could not see any reason to own one outside of having no interest in a car other than needing something that drives from you work for the AGS. I think they are coming to the end of their run now as their sister car the Kia Optima has just been killed off in Europe and won't be replaced as more people move to medium crossovers. The i40 is far from being bullet proof either, clutch and gearbox failure is very common on them.

colm_mcm

punisher5112 wrote: »

Gearbox and clutch issues....

Underpowered for policing work especially when you see them as roads policing units.

You want a good handling vehicle as these will in most cases be driven hard to get places when needed.

Compare with it’s rivals though (1.6 Passat, 1.6 Superb, 1.5 Mondeo) and you can’t say these would be any better.

punisher5112

colm_mcm wrote: »

Compare with it’s rivals though (1.6 Passat, 1.6 Superb, 1.5 Mondeo) and you can’t say these would be any better.

Oh I hear you on the new stuff.....

Bring back the mark 3 Mondeo. ;-)

road_high

colm_mcm wrote: »

Compare with it’s rivals though (1.6 Passat, 1.6 Superb, 1.5 Mondeo) and you can’t say these would be any better.

Performance perhaps not but by any another measure yes, they are much better cars

colm_mcm

Yes, but this red herring that they’re unsuited to being high speed pursuit vehicles keeps getting trotted out. Its a boring saloon with the least powerful diesel engine option. That doesn’t make it a bad car in itself.

Obviously it’s a 9 year old model now, and you’d be mental to buy a new one, but they’re really not as bad as is often made out. They drive about the same as anything else.

Dia_Anseo

Is the Astra such a bad car?

I much prefer the look of the Astra compared to the Kia Ceed or Hyundai i30.

And it came out in 2015, yet never sold well!