Interesting Maps

Brian? · 30-06-2021 3:09pm

silliussoddius wrote: »

The Irish genetic make up is closest to Britain, the link to Iberia was from the early days of testing and was due to the Y lineage R1b being found in high levels in the Basque region and the assumption being made that it originated there due to that high frequency. Recent testing on ancient remains in Europe indicate that R1b arrived in both Iberia from Eastern Europe (arriving there somewhere North of the Black Sea) and was spread during the mid to late Bronze Age with the archaeological feature know as the Bell Beakers.
I think the Armada story has more to do with Spain being a Catholic Empire fighting against the British Protestant Empire, it makes Irish people seem less linked to British.

Well Scotland, Wales, Cumbria and Cornwall surely? "British" genetic heritage is a hodge podge compared to Ireland. The aforementioned areas being more homogenous, like Ireland.

silliussoddius · 30-06-2021 3:21pm

Brian? wrote: »

Well Scotland, Wales, Cumbria and Cornwall surely? "British" genetic heritage is a hodge podge compared to Ireland. The aforementioned areas being more homogenous, like Ireland.

Yes, closer to Wester Britain. Easter England trends a bit more closer to Scandanavia/Germanic Europe. In general North Europe and South Europe group together. In general European populations are made up of three groups, just different amounts at different times: post ice age inhabitants, farmers from the Middle East and the Bell Beaker group associated with the spread of the Indo European languages. Finland seems to be the odd one out.
I used to be into this a few years ago, there was a good blog with posts that cover this but I can't find them now. This was also covered in the history forum.

Brian? · 30-06-2021 3:37pm

silliussoddius wrote: »

Yes, closer to Wester Britain. Easter England trends a bit more closer to Scandanavia/Germanic Europe. In general North Europe and South Europe group together. In general European populations are made up of three groups, just different amounts at different times: post ice age inhabitants, farmers from the Middle East and the Bell Beaker group associated with the spread of the Indo European languages. Finland seems to be the odd one out.
I used to be into this a few years ago, there was a good blog with posts that cover this but I can't find them now. This was also covered in the history forum.

It's all about the granularity of how deeply you look in fairness. How distinct the populations are is pretty subjective. We aren't that distantly related to Germans, but we aren't as closely related as we are to the Cornish or Scots.

I only learned about the Bell Beaker people after my DNA testing, it's extremely interesting.

Seth Brundle · 30-06-2021 3:44pm

Hodors Appletart wrote: »

there's a myth in my family that a great(ggg) grandmother had a fling with an Armada survivor - loads of my female cousins, and even my sister, are all very dark skinned and jet black hair.

My sister and dad have been approached while on holidays in Spain, by other holidaymakers speaking in broken spanish and loud english to them looking for directions.

the family name is from the west of Ireland

Brian? wrote: »

Same myth in my family, my Grandmother is from Whiddy Island in Bantry Bay.

I did a DNA test last year though, which has pretty much put the idea to bed. I think the dark skin is more to do with the migration of people from Northern Iberia to Ireland mixing with the residents.

I'm reminded ot the Only Fools & Horses episode Strangers on the Shore in which it transpires that "during the war" Uncle Albert had been a bit of a lothario in a French village called St. Claire a la Chappelle.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0666571/

silliussoddius · 30-06-2021 8:53pm

Charles Babbage wrote: »

and The Map that Changed the World

meanwhile

A bit off topic, but this book was great. It’s about the Armada sent that resulted in the battle of Kinsale.

https://obrien.ie/hell-or-some-worse-place-kinsale-1601

Mimon · 30-06-2021 11:24pm

silliussoddius wrote: »

A bit off topic, but this book was great. It’s about the Armada sent that resulted in the battle of Kinsale.

https://obrien.ie/hell-or-some-worse-place-kinsale-1601

Have seen it discussed on Boards recently that it would make a great series/film.

Apparently the English were on the verge of starvation and disease ridden after siege during a very harsh winter after and if O'Neill held back instead of attacking them he probably would have won. So near and yet so far.

Capt'n Midnight · 04-07-2021 1:12pm

Seth Brundle · 04-07-2021 2:06pm

https://twitter.com/qikipedia/status/1411671138355253256?s=19

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retalivity · 04-07-2021 5:52pm

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

And gerrymandering for all!

chooseusername · 15-07-2021 9:15pm

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2208860/Top-secret-dossier-uncovered-containing-detailed-maps-postcards-Hitlers-plan-invade-neutral-Ireland.html

Hitler's maps and postcards of Ireland in preparation for a possible invation.

ohnonotgmail · 15-07-2021 9:35pm

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117617070#Comment_117617070

I read this part and then stopped. I think the article was written by their showbiz reporter

On September 17, 1940, Hitler was forced to scrap plans to invade Ireland - called Operation Sealion - because of the Luftwaffe's failure to gain air supremacy over England during the Battle of Britain

I read further and it gets worse

Expert Richard Westwood Brookes said the document shows how the Irish were wrong to believe they were safe from invasion after accommodating the Nazis during the war

It made military sense for the Germans to invade Ireland as it was a perfect location to set up for an invasion of England

Because invading britain from ireland is so much easier than invading across the much short channel.

AndrewJRenko · 16-07-2021 7:40am

Who knew that the Appalachain mountains stretched to Ireland and the UK?

https://twitter.com/AlexPetrovnia/status/1415668133025701889?s=19

Nice thread

josip · 16-07-2021 8:01am

ednwireland · 16-07-2021 8:07am

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117618213#Comment_117618213

wellthe footpath stretches across !

Flying Abruptly · 16-07-2021 4:22pm

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117617195#Comment_117617195

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Green_%28Ireland%29

Operation Green was the German Invasion Plan for Ireland. It was developed in a good bit of detail and the idea was to set up a beachhead across south-east Leinster. How serious it was or not is another story, and may have been "leaked" as a diversionary tactic against the British forces, similar to what the allies did before the Normandy invasions. Roberts Fisk's book "In Time of War: Ireland, Ulster, and the Price of Neutrality, 1939-45" describes it in detail.