Jessica Yaniv refused service at gynaecologist's office

Gynoid

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

What stops men going into these 'safe spaces' today if they choose?

The right of the present users to legally say get the fcuk out.

On an aside Jo Swinson, leader of the Lib Dems in the UK (a country not very far away from us, for those who are island-centric), supports the rights of all self ID trans people to access ALL female single sex spaces without restriction of any sort. The Lib Dems received a £100,000 political donation from Ferring Pharmaceuticals in November 2019, and £234,000 in July 2018. Ferring Pharmaceuticals manufactures the puberty blocker Triptorelin. Ferring Pharmaceuticals also funds the publication of ''research'' to ''show'' the purported safety of puberty blockers as a treatment for gender dysphoria.

A lot of people would want to start wising up.

Dante7

Brian? wrote: »

It’s a distraction. We are talking about transgender rights. Which is complicated enough to discuss with the arguments to the absurd.

It's a valid point of discussion in the trans debate. As predicted, trans racialism has been tacked onto the trans umbrella. In the UK, the University and College Union have released a paper on trans inclusion stating that people should be allowed self id as black. The Furries will be next.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/11/18/whites-can-black-wish-says-lecturers-union/

splinter65

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Wrong again. You're going to struggle to find any such comment from me about abortion.





You have to apologise to me for your false allegation that; "The posters here with names like Brian and Andrew insisting that women must allow a man with testicles and penis use the women’s changing room at the gym if he wants to because he says he’s a woman" when I never said any such thing. Anytime you're ready now...






Wrong on the beard, and wrong on the safeguards. What stops men going into these 'safe spaces' today if they choose? Are there invisible toilet security guards everywhere that I've missed or something?

Lol! Your pretty forceful when telling women they have to apologise to you, aren’t you Andrew? As before, all you have to do to get that apology is acknowledge that my right as a woman to not be confronted with your penis and testicles in a place that is for women only is superior to your right to impose your testicles and penis on me.
That’s all you have to do in order to enjoy me apologising.
Not difficult really.

AndrewJRenko

Gynoid wrote: »

The right of the present users to legally say get the fcuk out.

What a great solution.


So any woman being assaulted by anyone in one of these safe spaces can legally say 'stop the fcuk assaulting me' - problem solved, right?

splinter65

Brian? wrote: »

Why would I engage with you if you’re going to simply make things up? Please acknowledge that your previous post was incorrect and we can continue.

Much easier if you acknowledge that my rights as a woman to be free from being confronted with male reproductive organs in an allocated women’s space, trumps the mans rights to expose me to the same organs.
If you can acknowledge that then I can apologize.

AndrewJRenko

splinter65 wrote: »

Lol! Your pretty forceful when telling women they have to apologise to you, aren’t you Andrew? As before, all you have to do to get that apology is acknowledge that my right as a woman to not be confronted with your penis and testicles in a place that is for women only is superior to your right to impose your testicles and penis on me.
That’s all you have to do in order to enjoy me apologising.
Not difficult really.

Ah, the gender card. Do women have some free pass on apologising for false allegations?


Why would I engage in any discussion with you when you fail to withdraw and apologise for your false allegation above?

AndrewJRenko

Jim Lawlor wrote: »

'Rapes are already happening so stop being bigots and let men into female only spaces'.

Yet another newly registered poster comes to the party - welcome to the jungle Jim.


Usually, when you use quotation marks, you use them to refer to something that someone has actually said - not something that you've just made up in your own head.

ingalway

Gynoid wrote: »

The right of the present users to legally say get the fcuk out.

On an aside Jo Swinson, leader of the Lib Dems in the UK (a country not very far away from us, for those who are island-centric), supports the rights of all self ID trans people to access ALL female single sex spaces without restriction of any sort. The Lib Dems received a £100,000 political donation from Ferring Pharmaceuticals in November 2019, and £234,000 in July 2018. Ferring Pharmaceuticals manufactures the puberty blocker Triptorelin. Ferring Pharmaceuticals also funds the publication of ''research'' to ''show'' the purported safety of puberty blockers as a treatment for gender dysphoria.

A lot of people would want to start wising up.

Always follow the money.
I hear Ms Swinson is very fond of fracking donations also.

ingalway

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

So just to be clear, the website that you quoted earlier which you've been relying on to rile yourself up on this important topic (while you ignore the actual violence being carried out against women by men every day) has nothing to do with Ireland, and no cases of violence by transgender people against women in Ireland?

So as long as Irish women are OK, so far, then it's all OK? Women's safety elsewhere isn't important and certainly not worth discussing, because a man says so.

ingalway

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Ah, the gender card. Do women have some free pass on apologising for false allegations?

Ah, the TRANS gender card

Brian?

splinter65 wrote: »

Much easier if you acknowledge that my rights as a woman to be free from being confronted with male reproductive organs in an allocated women’s space, trumps the mans rights to expose me to the same organs.
If you can acknowledge that then I can apologize.

This is completely childish. You accused me of saying something I didn’t. I challenged you on it and now you won’t even apologise.

splinter65

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

What a great solution.


So any woman being assaulted by anyone in one of these safe spaces can legally say 'stop the fcuk assaulting me' - problem solved, right?

So what is your point? Is it that women are being assaulted by men so allowing men dressed as women to enter their allocated spaces isn’t going to make that any worse?

AndrewJRenko

splinter65 wrote: »

So what is your point? Is it that women are being assaulted by men so allowing men dressed as women to enter their allocated spaces isn’t going to make that any worse?

My point is that you need to withdraw your false allegation about Brian and myself before either of us will engage with you further.



What kind of person lies in a debate like this while trying to take the high moral ground over others?

Gynoid

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

My point is that you need to withdraw your false allegation about Brian and myself before either of us will engage with you further.



What kind of person lies in a debate like this while trying to take the high moral ground over others?

Meanwhile your high moral ground is grounded on the principle of acceptable collateral damage :rolleyes:

splinter65

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

My point is that you need to withdraw your false allegation about Brian and myself before either of us will engage with you further.



What kind of person lies in a debate like this while trying to take the high moral ground over others?

Ok, I’ve asked both of you twice and had no response.
So, I’ll take it that you two, both men want to tell me, a woman, that I must accept that I, a woman, must allow either or both of you to come into a space I previously enjoyed as a female only space, a place where I could be comfortably naked, and that if you, a man, choose to be naked in that space that I must expect and accept that without comment.
Ok.

ceadaoin.

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

The facts are that women are being beaten, raped and killed right here in Ireland with alarming regularity, not in prisons or female toilets or changing rooms - but in their homes, their workplaces and other regular places.


I know it's much more fun to get riled with little stories about men who wear panties, but it's hard to take the concerns for the safety of women too seriously given the propensity to ignore the reality of violence against women in Ireland.

Yeah you're right, women get raped anyway so locking them up with rapists is fine. A man is here to tell us we're being silly and worrying our little heads over nothing. Thank god for that, what would we do otherwise?

I mean, can you hear yourself? I dont "ignore" violence against women anywhere in the world. Not sure where you're getting that idea from? It is possible to care about more than one thing at any given time.

AndrewJRenko

splinter65 wrote: »

Ok, I’ve asked both of you twice and had no response.

So you're compounding your initial lie with a further lie. Classy.


You've had plenty of responses - which have emphasises the importance of withdrawing your false allegation and apologising for it.

splinter65 wrote: »

So, I’ll take it that you two, both men want to tell me, a woman, that I must accept that I, a woman, must allow either or both of you to come into a space I previously enjoyed as a female only space, a place where I could be comfortably naked, and that if you, a man, choose to be naked in that space that I must expect and accept that without comment.
Ok.

You're not going to put words into my mouth and then force me to apologise for them. If you have to make up stuff about my views so that you can then argue and disagree with them, that is very telling.

splinter65

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

So you're compounding your initial lie with a further lie. Classy.


You've had plenty of responses - which have emphasises the importance of withdrawing your false allegation and apologising for it.





You're not going to put words into my mouth and then force me to apologise for them. If you have to make up stuff about my views so that you can then argue and disagree with them, that is very telling.

You’ve made yourself very clear Andrew. Very clear indeed.
You were never asked to apologize you were merely asked, several times, to clarify your position on a situation and you have declined to offer that clarification so you will have to accept that certain deductions can be concluded from your silence.

Brian?

splinter65 wrote: »

Ok, I’ve asked both of you twice and had no response.
So, I’ll take it that you two, both men want to tell me, a woman, that I must accept that I, a woman, must allow either or both of you to come into a space I previously enjoyed as a female only space, a place where I could be comfortably naked, and that if you, a man, choose to be naked in that space that I must expect and accept that without comment.
Ok.

Neither of us said that. You made it up. Ok?

Ironicname

Brian? wrote:

It’s a distraction. We are talking about transgender rights. Which is complicated enough to discuss with the arguments to the absurd.

It's far from a distraction. It's valid. Where do you draw the line on pandering to social causes? Trans rights impinge on the rights of men and women. A trans woman is not and can never be a woman biologically. Why should they be given access to the same areas that are exclusive to women?

AndrewJRenko wrote:

So any woman being assaulted by anyone in one of these safe spaces can legally say 'stop the fcuk assaulting me' - problem solved, right?

That was not the point. The point was that the man now, can sue the establishment of they are asked to leave for exposing their penis in a woman only environment.

Before everyone became so ****ing "woke", it used to be called indecent exposure.

AndrewJRenko wrote:

You're not going to put words into my mouth and then force me to apologise for them. If you have to make up stuff about my views so that you can then argue and disagree with them, that is very telling.

Ok. I will ask then. Do you believe that women should be forced to share gender exclusive places with people who have a penis where they are vulnerable and in various states of undress?

splinter65

Brian? wrote: »

Neither of us said that. You made it up. Ok?

It would be very easy for you to offer clarification of your position on the matter, for example something along the lines of “ Your being ridiculous splinter65, of course I agree that women should be allowed to enjoy being naked and vulnerable in a women only space without being forced to accept a naked man being allowed in”. Then I would be apologizing for misinterpreting your posts.
But you won’t clarify so my point stands.

suicide_circus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDi-jFVBLA8

jaxxx

Isn't gynaecology known as the 'science of women'?

The word "gynaecology" comes from the oblique stem (γυναικ-) of Greek γυνή (gyne), "woman", and -logia, "study".

Hmm.......

Oh but that's completely irrelevant since we live in an age where people can identify as something completely contradictory to their own biology, and anyone that dares bring up this slightly awkward fact is labelled as transphobic/bigotted/etc.

#FoodForThought

Btw, to rudely add in to the little heated exchange between several members above.... women should not have to share enclosed quarters of a sensitive nature (i.e. toilets/public showering areas [e.g. gyms]) with someone that has a penis. Because..... I'm pretty sure a biological woman doesn't have a penis. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG????? A penis is a penis, and women shouldn't have to be in an environment with someone dangling their bits around regardless of whether it's attached to a man or a 'transwoman'.

F*ck it, let's dig a small bit deeper regarding the above. Whether it's toilets or gym dressing areas (though gyms in particular), would you want your young daughter (by young I obviously mean young child) in an environment with people having their yongs exposed?

#FoodForThoughtAgain

Hmm. I wonder if my post is going to be deleted again and a warning/infraction given, maybe even a ban? Cos the last time I DARED speak against something along similar lines, that's exactly what happened (minus the ban part). Ah well, I've had a good run. Shame really. But at least I can hold my head high.

#SilenceThoseThatDareQuestionTheStatusQuo

Hey, isn't that what the Catholic Church did for centuries????????

Btw... the misogyny in this thread sickens me.

^^^^^^^^^^^ I'm a man btw, just to let ya know ^^^^^^^^^^^

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Yeah you're right, women get raped anyway so locking them up with rapists is fine. A man is here to tell us we're being silly and worrying our little heads over nothing. Thank god for that, what would we do otherwise?

I mean, can you hear yourself? I dont "ignore" violence against women anywhere in the world. Not sure where you're getting that idea from? It is possible to care about more than one thing at any given time.

It’s interesting to note that AndrewJRenko hasn’t responded to either you or Iguana on this point. For such a dog-with-a-bone, that’s telling.

splinter65

Misogyny, hiding in clear sight on this thread. This is what happens when nobody challenges the rise and rise of the “progressive” stormtroopers.

AndrewJRenko

splinter65 wrote: »

It would be very easy for you to offer clarification of your position on the matter, for example something along the lines of “ Your being ridiculous splinter65, of course I agree that women should be allowed to enjoy being naked and vulnerable in a women only space without being forced to accept a naked man being allowed in”. Then I would be apologizing for misinterpreting your posts.
But you won’t clarify so my point stands.

You didn't 'interpret' my posts'. You made a statement that claimed that I said something which I've never said.



This is a lie, a falsehood, an untruth that has no place in any civilised discussion. Anyone with any sense of decency would have withdrawn their lie once it was pointed out to them.

Ironicname wrote: »

That was not the point. The point was that the man now, can sue the establishment of they are asked to leave for exposing their penis in a woman only environment.

Before everyone became so ****ing "woke", it used to be called indecent exposure.

I know it's not the point that many people round here want to face up to. I know many people on this thread really don't want to face the reality that there have been no issues arising for women in Ireland from the introduction of self-ID a few years back.


BTW, where has anyone sued for being asked to leave an establishment for exposing their penis in a women only environment? It certainly hasn't happened in Ireland, and I'm reasonably sure it hasn't happened anywhere in the world. But feel free to correct me if I've got this wrong, and this isn't one of those extreme theoretical possibilities that some people choose to get all excited about despite the fact that
a) it never happens, and

b) there are a lot more common forms of violence against women happening every day that they're ignoring.

splinter65 wrote: »

You’ve made yourself very clear Andrew. Very clear indeed.
You were never asked to apologize you were merely asked, several times, to clarify your position on a situation and you have declined to offer that clarification so you will have to accept that certain deductions can be concluded from your silence.

People can certainly make up their own little fantasies in their own heads if that's what they want. What they can't do in any civilised debate is to make statements of fact that are untrue. That's what you've done in your earlier claim, and you should have the decency to withdraw it.

ingalway wrote: »

So as long as Irish women are OK, so far, then it's all OK? Women's safety elsewhere isn't important and certainly not worth discussing, because a man says so.

Women's safety elsewhere is indeed very important. Women get killed, beaten, raped, overwhelmingly by men, all over the world all the time. These are the real issues that you should be worrying about, rather than obsessing over one tiny niche issue. But nah, it's much more fun to get riled up by a few Daily Mail stories I guess.

Mules

Interesting

Gynoid wrote: »

The right of the present users to legally say get the fcuk out.

On an aside Jo Swinson, leader of the Lib Dems in the UK (a country not very far away from us, for those who are island-centric), supports the rights of all self ID trans people to access ALL female single sex spaces without restriction of any sort. The Lib Dems received a £100,000 political donation from Ferring Pharmaceuticals in November 2019, and £234,000 in July 2018. Ferring Pharmaceuticals manufactures the puberty blocker Triptorelin. Ferring Pharmaceuticals also funds the publication of ''research'' to ''show'' the purported safety of puberty blockers as a treatment for gender dysphoria.

A lot of people would want to start wising up.

AndrewJRenko

splinter65 wrote: »

Misogyny, hiding in clear sight on this thread. This is what happens when nobody challenges the rise and rise of the “progressive” stormtroopers.

The only misogyny here is from those who are trying to distract attention from the very real issues of the actual violence against women that happens every day in every town in the country to address their own personal discomforts with some very small degrees of improvements in the treatment of some very vulnerable people.

Silentcorner

splinter65 wrote: »

Misogyny, hiding in clear sight on this thread. This is what happens when nobody challenges the rise and rise of the “progressive” stormtroopers.

I'm with you on the issues you have raised, but this issue has nothing to do with misogyny....this gender mess was fabricated in the same place that has brought us Radical Feminism...it, if it continues to impact public policy as we are seeing it will completely erode all the privileges (like quotas, healthcare, lenient prison sentences, women's groups and networks and spaces etc etc) that women in today's society enjoy...feminists have being invading men's spaces for a few decades now!!!

AllForIt

Gynoid wrote: »

The right of the present users to legally say get the fcuk out.

On an aside Jo Swinson, leader of the Lib Dems in the UK (a country not very far away from us, for those who are island-centric), supports the rights of all self ID trans people to access ALL female single sex spaces without restriction of any sort. The Lib Dems received a £100,000 political donation from Ferring Pharmaceuticals in November 2019, and £234,000 in July 2018. Ferring Pharmaceuticals manufactures the puberty blocker Triptorelin. Ferring Pharmaceuticals also funds the publication of ''research'' to ''show'' the purported safety of puberty blockers as a treatment for gender dysphoria.

A lot of people would want to start wising up.

Just on the Lib Dem policy, this Lib Dem MP admitted that some criminals would take advantage of the policy but it would just be a tiny minority. 3:35 mins in.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p07wys21
I take by her admission that the concerns raised are valid but it would be so small in reality that it's not worth bothering about.

Don't be to concerned though, the Lib Dems have taken a nosedive in the polls and I wouldn't expect Swinson to be leader for much longer.

Wollaston , the MP in the video, as an argument for the policy of self-id, says how ignominious if must be for trans ppl to have to get a medial certificate. The same ppl who are happy to undergo surgery to conform to visual gender stereotypes. lol.