FG's desperate scramble to maintain power

Plumbthedepths

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/battered-fine-gaels-desperate-scramble-to-stay-in-power-as-housing-minister-faces-noconfidence-vote-38748339.html

FG seeking the support of Lowry and Grealish among others in their attempt to remain in office. Says it all when you are happy for the support of a corrupt tax dodger and a TD who has been accused with good reasons for stirring up racial tensions just for power. Whatever happened to integrity?

El Tarangu

Not even 9 o'clock and you already have your daily FG thread started - good man
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Plumbthedepths

El Tarangu wrote: »

Not even 9 o'clock and you already have your daily FG thread started - good man
ðŸ‘ðŸ‘

Daily ? The second thread I have started since opening this account. lol. You upset?

McMurphy

El Tarangu wrote: »

Not even 9 o'clock and you already have your daily FG thread started - good man
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A thread about the party in govt, in the current affairs forum? What kind of sorcery is this anyway

It is also important to point out that a lack of posts from users and new threads would soon render the site obsolete.

seamus

End justifying the means tbh.

It's all well and good saying that you won't take someone's vote on principle, but if that ends up losing you control of the Dáil, then it's fairly pointless.

The electorate won't reward FG on the doorsteps for taking a principled stand and letting the Dail collapse.

This motion won't succeed tbh. The pure numbers show FG on the back foot. The reality is that it will require every opposition vote to win this motion, and that's just not going to happen.

The Healy-Rae's barely turn up as it is. They're not going to make an effort to come to Dublin so they can vote in favour of an election campaign during December.

If it's a serious motion, then it's poorly timed by the SDs. But it might be intended as a warning shot across the bow of FG, to get a gauge of just how precarious their hold is, and maybe set the stage for an election in early 2020.

Boggles

El Tarangu wrote: »

Not even 9 o'clock and you already have your daily FG thread started - good man
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Thread about the government potentially collapsing on the day it may collapse in Current Affairs?

I'll be looking for the OP to get a siteban.

Beechwoodspark

Whatever about Lowry(who in fairness is very popular in his constituency), grealish has done nothing wrong

There should be an investigative report into the money leaving Ireland as going by grealish statements there’s something majorly suspect going on

El Tarangu

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Daily ? The second thread I have started since opening this account. lol. You upset?

The thread that you started yesterday covers much the same ground; I would have thought that the OP would have been a colourful addition to that thread rather than warranting it's own thread, but fair enough.

FrancieBrady

El Tarangu wrote: »

Not even 9 o'clock and you already have your daily FG thread started - good man
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Pesky 'early risers'. I knew they'd be trouble!

ELM327

This is a stupid motion, stupidly timed at least.
No one wants an election now.

is_that_so

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/battered-fine-gaels-desperate-scramble-to-stay-in-power-as-housing-minister-faces-noconfidence-vote-38748339.html

FG seeking the support of Lowry and Grealish among others in their attempt to remain in office. Says it all when you are happy for the support of a corrupt tax dodger and a TD who has been accused with good reasons for stirring up racial tensions just for power. Whatever happened to integrity?

Pretty sure that it's only a vote of confidence in the government passing that takes away power. This, in the unlikely event it were successful, might encourage the minister to stand down. What exactly are you looking for here, a Christmas election? Once they get back in mid-January we are into the last furlong anyway.

Floppybits

ELM327 wrote: »

This is a stupid motion, stupidly timed at least.
No one wants an election now.

Who says no one wants an election? I can understand FG don't want an election and FF the same but there are a lot of people who do want an election.

Salary Negotiator

What happens if the motion is passed? Does it automatically mean an election is called or can Varadkar just demote Murphy?

is_that_so

Floppybits wrote: »

Who says no one wants an election? I can understand FG don't want an election and FF the same but there are a lot of people who do want an election.

Some people want one the day after they vote! It is coming, just not in the next four weeks, in the next 4-6 months max.

is_that_so

Salary Negotiator wrote: »

What happens if the motion is passed? Does it automatically mean an election is called or can Varadkar just demote Murphy?

Nothing, no & no! See above in my first post!

My kids are home from Australia next week for Xmas. I’m looking forward to us all snuggled on the sofa watching Christmas movies and the new Gavin and Stacey. Feck that being interrupted by non stop election campaigns.

It can wait till the new year at this stage.

ELM327

Floppybits wrote: »

Who says no one wants an election? I can understand FG don't want an election and FF the same but there are a lot of people who do want an election.

The only credible options for leadership and the majority of the house (FF/FG) don't want an election. You can rearrange a few nobodies on the backbenches that are loony lefts but at the end of the day they are never going to be in government




I'd also wager that most people don't want an election

is_that_so

Just a clarification on this vote, despite media attempts to talk it up as something seismic. Here are the only ways a government can fall before the end of its term.

The Government must enjoy the confidence of Dáil Éireann if it is to remain in office. If the Taoiseach ceases "to retain the support of a majority in Dáil Éireann", either Dáil Éireann must be dissolved or the Taoiseach must resign. This applies only in cases of a no-confidence vote or loss of supply (rejection of a budget), rather than a government bill being rejected. The President may refuse to grant a dissolution to a Taoiseach who does not enjoy the support of the Dáil, thus forcing the resignation of the Taoiseach.

Salary Negotiator

is_that_so wrote: »

Pretty sure that it's only a vote of confidence in the government passing that takes away power. This, in the unlikely event it were successful, might encourage the minister to stand down. What exactly are you looking for here, a Christmas election? Once they get back in mid-January we are into the last furlong anyway.

is_that_so wrote: »

Nothing, no & no! See above in my first post!

Yeah, that's what I thought (also if a Budget Bill is lost then the Government falls) but the headline "desperate scramble to maintain power" had me confused.

is_that_so

Salary Negotiator wrote: »

Yeah, that's what I thought (also if a Budget Bill is lost then the Government falls) but the headline "desperate scramble to maintain power" had me confused.

Yeah, OP giving the impression the vote is meaningful to the lifetime of the government.

Minister for housing is a terrible gig .............. the housing list is full of (over a third of it at a guess) folk who are trying to game the system along with genuine cases and then folk who simply think they are entitled to a house as their ma etc etc got one in days gone by..... they aren't evenly knowingly trying to game the system it's just a way of life for them.

Until all of the above are housed to their satisfaction and all those who come after them then you'll have a "housing crisis". Behind the scenes I imagine this is acknowledged so there is no doubt political support for the minister but a large proportion of the public are media influenced so reckon the chap largely responsible.

Salary Negotiator

is_that_so wrote: »

Yeah, OP giving the impression the vote is meaningful to the lifetime of the government.

TBF to the OP the title is lifted almost word for word from the Indo.

I think the (sub?) editor there is to blame.

is_that_so

Salary Negotiator wrote: »

TBF to the OP the title is lifted almost word for word from the Indo.

I think the (sub?) editor there is to blame.

That is a given! Clickbait rules!

road_high

Augeo wrote: »

Minister for housing is a terrible gig .............. the housing list is full of (over a third of it at a guess) folk who are trying to game the system along with genuine cases and then folk who simply think they are entitled to a house as their ma etc etc got one in days gone by..... they aren't evenly knowingly trying to game the system it's just a way of life for them.

Until all of the above are housed to their satisfaction and all those who come after them then you'll have a "housing crisis". Behind the scenes I imagine this is acknowledged so there is no doubt political support for the minister but a large proportion of the public are media influenced so reckon the chap largely responsible.

It's a never ending saga as you have the next generation very soon demanding their "foreva" home only about 20 years after the first one and so it goes on.

road_high

road_high wrote: »

It's a never ending saga as you have the next generation very soon demanding their "foreva" home only about 20 years after the first one and so it goes on.

Indeed.......... an unsolvable waster problem is at the root of the housing crisis but no politician or media outlet will inform the public of that.

Fr_Dougal

A FF government will be no better than a FG government. At any point they were free to withdraw from the Confidence Agreement, instead they play the hurler on the ditch.

The main downside to an election will be the cost, all these new election promises that we’ll hear about will need to be funded somehow, and from the same pot we currently have.

Fr_Dougal

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

A FF government will be no better than a FG government.............

FF are more likely to cut taxes and increase SW payments so many will think it's a better government but it all needs to be paid for.

Fann Linn

Augeo wrote: »

FF are more likely to cut taxes and increase SW payments so many will think it's a better government but it all needs to be paid for.

As opposed to Leo who prefers to '...look after those who get up early in the morning.' ROTFLMAO.

No difference at all between the two parties.

Idbatterim

But it is solveable. Just changed the rules. Turn off the money taps ! Let these scum live with ten plus people in their council houses , like in the fifties , sixties etc. three generations under one roof ...

Idbatterim

Fann Linn wrote: »

As opposed to Leo who prefers to '...look after those who get up early in the morning.' ROTFLMAO.

No difference at all between the two parties.

How much of a Christmas bonus will many workers get this week? Leo is the biggest fraud , I’ve yet come across in an Irish politician and that is saying something !!

Floppybits

Lets face facts both FG and FF don't a flying F**k about the country or its people. All they are concerned about is whose turn is it to drive the gravy train so that they can line their pockets.

Idbatterim

Idbatterim wrote: »

But it is solveable. Just changed the rules. Turn off the money taps ! Let these scum live with ten plus people in their council houses , like in the fifties , sixties etc. three generations under one roof ...

Any government who did that would be lambasted.
The yellow vests / water charge protesters brigade would be out in force again, hence why what you propose wouldn't work. I agree with you though.......... the money taps should be turned off in some sinks, no doubt.

At a high level what's seen as government inaction is a discrete step in the "right" direction (no pun intended) but the left are very noisy even now.

KWAG2019

Floppybits wrote: »

Who says no one wants an election? I can understand FG don't want an election and FF the same but there are a lot of people who do want an election.

People with families who can’t get on the housing ladder want an election. People sick of the state of the HSE and angered by the photo of that poor woman in A &E want an election. People horrified by the incompetence in the Children’s Hospital saga want an election. Those who don’t want an election? Fine Gael. “Bring it on Bruton” and the west Brits have no idea of the contempt out there for FG. A lot of people have stayed with FG simply because they can’t see an alternative: when they do FG are toast

splinter65

KWAG2019 wrote: »

People with families who can’t get on the housing ladder want an election. People sick of the state of the HSE and angered by the photo of that poor woman in A &E want an election. People horrified by the incompetence in the Children’s Hospital saga want an election. Those who don’t want an election? Fine Gael. “Bring it on Bruton” and the west Brits have no idea of the contempt out there for FG. A lot of people have stayed with FG simply because they can’t see an alternative: when they do FG are toast

What do the party you intend to vote for in the next GE say they are going to do about any of these issues, and how do they intend to finance these plans, and what proven record do they have of fulfilling election promises?

Idbatterim

Ff could have pulled the plug. But when fg are doing such a sitt job and It benefits ff to wait , as they can win more seats , why would they pull support ?

Augeo in the Uk they decimated their welfare state. Of course it can be done. But not by spineless rats and that is an issue here. They are all spineless rats !

Idbatterim

As an ex fg voter. They have served up a pisstake. I’ll take my Chances ...

Ff Turn on the merry go round !

Idbatterim

Idbatterim wrote: »

............
Augeo in the Uk they decimated their welfare state. ...........

They've plenty high rise social housing though to be fair........ actual payments are low but they don't have the same proportion of "homeless" in emergency accommodation etc.
The housing list in parts of London is shorter (in years) then Dublin.

jimmycrackcorm

Floppybits wrote: »

Who says no one wants an election? I can understand FG don't want an election and FF the same but there are a lot of people who do want an election.

The very people who went am election are the ones who will demand another six months after a new government when they see that the housing and health crises are still the same.

KWAG2019

KWAG2019 wrote: »

People with families who can’t get on the housing ladder want an election..................

Housing ladder as in buying one or housing ladder as in "house next to me ma"?

I work with loads of folk who can't afford to buy currently but they aren't looking for an election.

Idbatterim

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

The very people who went am election are the ones who will demand another six months after a new government when they see that the housing and health crises are still the same.

Not after six months. But after nine years and a booming economy , enough is enough. Or rather , nothing isn’t enough...

ELM327

KWAG2019 wrote: »

People with families who can’t get on the housing ladder want an election. People sick of the state of the HSE and angered by the photo of that poor woman in A &E want an election. People horrified by the incompetence in the Children’s Hospital saga want an election. Those who don’t want an election? Fine Gael. “Bring it on Bruton” and the west Brits have no idea of the contempt out there for FG. A lot of people have stayed with FG simply because they can’t see an alternative: when they do FG are toast

Who is the credible alternative that these soundbites people can vote for?

Idbatterim

ELM327 wrote: »

Who is the credible alternative that these soundbites people can vote for?

Could try sf. Honestly fg are taking the piss. Many speculate sf would be useless. Only one way to find out. Could they be any more useless than a century of ffg?

Fr_Dougal

Idbatterim wrote: »

Could try sf. Honestly fg are taking the piss. Many speculate sf would be useless. Only one way to find out. Could they be any more useless than a century of ffg?

SF? They would ruin the country in 12 months.

Regarding the ‘homeless crisis’, SF are well represented on the council’s, they’ve done nothing to fix the situation.

Idbatterim

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

SF? They would ruin the country in 12 months.

Regarding the ‘homeless crisis’, SF are well represented on the council’s, they’ve done nothing to fix the situation.

Well if no party here is capable of running the country, maybe we need the imf back in again ...

ELM327

Idbatterim wrote: »

Could try sf. Honestly fg are taking the piss. Many speculate sf would be useless. Only one way to find out. Could they be any more useless than a century of ffg?

SF would bankrupt the country.
Socialist nincompoops would rid of us FDI (500k jobs) by upping CT and by taking the Apple money.
Not to mention probably upping the marginal tax rate to penalise work.




I'm not willing to risk our country giving SF a chance. Far too much on the loony left side

JohnnyFlash

Idbatterim wrote: »

Well if no party here is capable of running the country, maybe we need the imf back in again ...

You live in one of the safest, most prosperous, and equitable countries on the planet. Billions of people
can only dream of the opportunities you’ve been given in life.

The country is facing many of the same issues that mature democracies are now starting to face.

You’d think we lived in a tinpot dictatorship the way some of you go on about the place.

ELM327

Idbatterim wrote: »

Well if no party here is capable of running the country, maybe we need the imf back in again ...

IMF or direct rule from Germany on fiscal issues would be a heck of a lot better (notionally, ignoring my republican stance and national freedom for a sec to explore this thought) than any of the current parties we have.

McMurphy

ELM327 wrote: »

SF would bankrupt the country.
Socialist nincompoops would rid of us FDI (500k jobs) by upping CT and by taking the Apple money.
Not to mention probably upping the marginal tax rate to penalise work.




I'm not willing to risk our country giving SF a chance. Far too much on the loony left side

Meanwhile FG hopped in to bed with, and partner running the place with a party who actually have bankrupt the country.

You're talking out of both sides of your mouth.

is_that_so

Idbatterim wrote: »

Not after six months. But after nine years and a booming economy , enough is enough. Or rather , nothing isn’t enough...

Well, voters had a chance just under 4 years ago and look how that worked out - stalemate and deal making.

Salary Negotiator

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

SF? They would ruin the country in 12 months.

Regarding the ‘homeless crisis’, SF are well represented on the council’s, they’ve done nothing to fix the situation.

That's true, in DCC they've repeatedly lowered the amount of funding received through LPT by offering the maximum 15% discount, and then they complain about not having enough funding.

Tony EH

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Daily ? The second thread I have started since opening this account. lol. You upset?

You made his politics cry.