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FG's desperate scramble to maintain power

Plumbthedepths

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/battered-fine-gaels-desperate-scramble-to-stay-in-power-as-housing-minister-faces-noconfidence-vote-38748339.html

FG seeking the support of Lowry and Grealish among others in their attempt to remain in office. Says it all when you are happy for the support of a corrupt tax dodger and a TD who has been accused with good reasons for stirring up racial tensions just for power. Whatever happened to integrity?

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Tony EH

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Daily ? The second thread I have started since opening this account. lol. You upset?

You made his politics cry.

Salary Negotiator

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

SF? They would ruin the country in 12 months.

Regarding the ‘homeless crisis’, SF are well represented on the council’s, they’ve done nothing to fix the situation.

That's true, in DCC they've repeatedly lowered the amount of funding received through LPT by offering the maximum 15% discount, and then they complain about not having enough funding.

is_that_so

Idbatterim wrote: »

Not after six months. But after nine years and a booming economy , enough is enough. Or rather , nothing isn’t enough...

Well, voters had a chance just under 4 years ago and look how that worked out - stalemate and deal making.

McMurphy

ELM327 wrote: »

SF would bankrupt the country.
Socialist nincompoops would rid of us FDI (500k jobs) by upping CT and by taking the Apple money.
Not to mention probably upping the marginal tax rate to penalise work.

I'm not willing to risk our country giving SF a chance. Far too much on the loony left side

Meanwhile FG hopped in to bed with, and partner running the place with a party who actually have bankrupt the country.

You're talking out of both sides of your mouth.

ELM327

Idbatterim wrote: »

Well if no party here is capable of running the country, maybe we need the imf back in again ...

IMF or direct rule from Germany on fiscal issues would be a heck of a lot better (notionally, ignoring my republican stance and national freedom for a sec to explore this thought) than any of the current parties we have.

JohnnyFlash

Idbatterim wrote: »

Well if no party here is capable of running the country, maybe we need the imf back in again ...

You live in one of the safest, most prosperous, and equitable countries on the planet. Billions of people
can only dream of the opportunities you’ve been given in life.

The country is facing many of the same issues that mature democracies are now starting to face.

You’d think we lived in a tinpot dictatorship the way some of you go on about the place.

ELM327

Idbatterim wrote: »

Could try sf. Honestly fg are taking the piss. Many speculate sf would be useless. Only one way to find out. Could they be any more useless than a century of ffg?

SF would bankrupt the country.
Socialist nincompoops would rid of us FDI (500k jobs) by upping CT and by taking the Apple money.
Not to mention probably upping the marginal tax rate to penalise work.

I'm not willing to risk our country giving SF a chance. Far too much on the loony left side

Idbatterim

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

SF? They would ruin the country in 12 months.

Regarding the ‘homeless crisis’, SF are well represented on the council’s, they’ve done nothing to fix the situation.

Well if no party here is capable of running the country, maybe we need the imf back in again ...

Fr_Dougal

Idbatterim wrote: »

Could try sf. Honestly fg are taking the piss. Many speculate sf would be useless. Only one way to find out. Could they be any more useless than a century of ffg?

SF? They would ruin the country in 12 months.

Regarding the ‘homeless crisis’, SF are well represented on the council’s, they’ve done nothing to fix the situation.

Idbatterim

ELM327 wrote: »

Who is the credible alternative that these soundbites people can vote for?

Could try sf. Honestly fg are taking the piss. Many speculate sf would be useless. Only one way to find out. Could they be any more useless than a century of ffg?

ELM327

KWAG2019 wrote: »

People with families who can’t get on the housing ladder want an election. People sick of the state of the HSE and angered by the photo of that poor woman in A &E want an election. People horrified by the incompetence in the Children’s Hospital saga want an election. Those who don’t want an election? Fine Gael. “Bring it on Bruton” and the west Brits have no idea of the contempt out there for FG. A lot of people have stayed with FG simply because they can’t see an alternative: when they do FG are toast

Who is the credible alternative that these soundbites people can vote for?

Idbatterim

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

The very people who went am election are the ones who will demand another six months after a new government when they see that the housing and health crises are still the same.

Not after six months. But after nine years and a booming economy , enough is enough. Or rather , nothing isn’t enough...

[Deleted User]

KWAG2019 wrote: »

People with families who can’t get on the housing ladder want an election..................

Housing ladder as in buying one or housing ladder as in "house next to me ma"?

I work with loads of folk who can't afford to buy currently but they aren't looking for an election.

jimmycrackcorm

Floppybits wrote: »

Who says no one wants an election? I can understand FG don't want an election and FF the same but there are a lot of people who do want an election.

The very people who went am election are the ones who will demand another six months after a new government when they see that the housing and health crises are still the same.

[Deleted User]

Idbatterim wrote: »

............
Augeo in the Uk they decimated their welfare state. ...........

They've plenty high rise social housing though to be fair........ actual payments are low but they don't have the same proportion of "homeless" in emergency accommodation etc.
The housing list in parts of London is shorter (in years) then Dublin.

Idbatterim

As an ex fg voter. They have served up a pisstake. I’ll take my Chances ...

Ff Turn on the merry go round !

Idbatterim

Ff could have pulled the plug. But when fg are doing such a sitt job and It benefits ff to wait , as they can win more seats , why would they pull support ?

Augeo in the Uk they decimated their welfare state. Of course it can be done. But not by spineless rats and that is an issue here. They are all spineless rats !

splinter65

KWAG2019 wrote: »

People with families who can’t get on the housing ladder want an election. People sick of the state of the HSE and angered by the photo of that poor woman in A &E want an election. People horrified by the incompetence in the Children’s Hospital saga want an election. Those who don’t want an election? Fine Gael. “Bring it on Bruton” and the west Brits have no idea of the contempt out there for FG. A lot of people have stayed with FG simply because they can’t see an alternative: when they do FG are toast

What do the party you intend to vote for in the next GE say they are going to do about any of these issues, and how do they intend to finance these plans, and what proven record do they have of fulfilling election promises?

KWAG2019

Floppybits wrote: »

Who says no one wants an election? I can understand FG don't want an election and FF the same but there are a lot of people who do want an election.

People with families who can’t get on the housing ladder want an election. People sick of the state of the HSE and angered by the photo of that poor woman in A &E want an election. People horrified by the incompetence in the Children’s Hospital saga want an election. Those who don’t want an election? Fine Gael. “Bring it on Bruton” and the west Brits have no idea of the contempt out there for FG. A lot of people have stayed with FG simply because they can’t see an alternative: when they do FG are toast

[Deleted User]

Idbatterim wrote: »

But it is solveable. Just changed the rules. Turn off the money taps ! Let these scum live with ten plus people in their council houses , like in the fifties , sixties etc. three generations under one roof ...

Any government who did that would be lambasted.
The yellow vests / water charge protesters brigade would be out in force again, hence why what you propose wouldn't work. I agree with you though.......... the money taps should be turned off in some sinks, no doubt.

At a high level what's seen as government inaction is a discrete step in the "right" direction (no pun intended) but the left are very noisy even now.

Floppybits

Lets face facts both FG and FF don't a flying F**k about the country or its people. All they are concerned about is whose turn is it to drive the gravy train so that they can line their pockets.

Idbatterim

Fann Linn wrote: »

As opposed to Leo who prefers to '...look after those who get up early in the morning.' ROTFLMAO.

No difference at all between the two parties.

How much of a Christmas bonus will many workers get this week? Leo is the biggest fraud , I’ve yet come across in an Irish politician and that is saying something !!

Idbatterim

But it is solveable. Just changed the rules. Turn off the money taps ! Let these scum live with ten plus people in their council houses , like in the fifties , sixties etc. three generations under one roof ...

Fann Linn

Augeo wrote: »

FF are more likely to cut taxes and increase SW payments so many will think it's a better government but it all needs to be paid for.

As opposed to Leo who prefers to '...look after those who get up early in the morning.' ROTFLMAO.

No difference at all between the two parties.

[Deleted User]

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

A FF government will be no better than a FG government.............

FF are more likely to cut taxes and increase SW payments so many will think it's a better government but it all needs to be paid for.

Fr_Dougal

A FF government will be no better than a FG government. At any point they were free to withdraw from the Confidence Agreement, instead they play the hurler on the ditch.

The main downside to an election will be the cost, all these new election promises that we’ll hear about will need to be funded somehow, and from the same pot we currently have.

[Deleted User]

road_high wrote: »

It's a never ending saga as you have the next generation very soon demanding their "foreva" home only about 20 years after the first one and so it goes on.

Indeed.......... an unsolvable waster problem is at the root of the housing crisis but no politician or media outlet will inform the public of that.

road_high

Augeo wrote: »

Minister for housing is a terrible gig .............. the housing list is full of (over a third of it at a guess) folk who are trying to game the system along with genuine cases and then folk who simply think they are entitled to a house as their ma etc etc got one in days gone by..... they aren't evenly knowingly trying to game the system it's just a way of life for them.

Until all of the above are housed to their satisfaction and all those who come after them then you'll have a "housing crisis". Behind the scenes I imagine this is acknowledged so there is no doubt political support for the minister but a large proportion of the public are media influenced so reckon the chap largely responsible.

It's a never ending saga as you have the next generation very soon demanding their "foreva" home only about 20 years after the first one and so it goes on.

is_that_so

Salary Negotiator wrote: »

TBF to the OP the title is lifted almost word for word from the Indo.

I think the (sub?) editor there is to blame.

That is a given! Clickbait rules!

Salary Negotiator

is_that_so wrote: »

Yeah, OP giving the impression the vote is meaningful to the lifetime of the government.

TBF to the OP the title is lifted almost word for word from the Indo.

I think the (sub?) editor there is to blame.