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CEO of Waterford Council looking for 5% increase in commercial rates

  • 02-12-2019 10:20am
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    Registered Users Posts: 1,153 ✭✭✭ friendlyfun
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    Seems the council is in dire straights atm. What's the best solution atm?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,153 ✭✭✭ friendlyfun
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    "Part of the reason why Waterford is losing out is because city, town and county councils amalgamated in 2014"

    Never vote Fine Gael again.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,086 ✭✭✭✭ Harry Palmr


    They should put up the LPT a few % - it's been at the introductory rate for 6 years now.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,741 ✭✭✭ BBM77
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    "Part of the reason why Waterford is losing out is because city, town and county councils amalgamated in 2014"

    Never vote Fine Gael again.

    Absolutely! Never agreed the councils should have been merged for a number of reasons. One of them is that the old Waterford county council was always short of money and basically the city has to subsidise the county now. Not to mention the city councils were not the problem with local government in Ireland. The problem is there was and still is too many county councils.

    But like everything with government in Ireland god forbid they would fix the actual problem.


  • Registered Users Posts: 206 ✭✭ DLS_75
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    Seems a bit silly to me to vote on the local property tax before they vote on the budget. Should happen at the same time.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,021 ✭✭✭ hardybuck
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    When were commercial rates last increased?

    My understanding is that this has nothing to do with the Council merger, rather a revaluation of Irish Water Rates.

    Dublin City Council recently took steps to increase revenue to address an identical issue.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,153 ✭✭✭ friendlyfun
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    hardybuck wrote: »
    When were commercial rates last increased?

    My understanding is that this has nothing to do with the Council merger, rather a revaluation of Irish Water Rates.

    Dublin City Council recently took steps to increase revenue to address an identical issue.

    This is surely because of revaluation of Irish Water Rates but it has hurt us more because of the amalgamation


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,012 ✭✭✭ Gardner
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    what is the Pact alternative budget for (i) without the additional government funding & (ii) with the required government funding? do they even have budgets to propose?

    it's getting very tiresome with the same auld soundbites.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,021 ✭✭✭ hardybuck
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    This is surely because of revaluation of Irish Water Rates but it has hurt us more because of the amalgamation

    How so? Is there any evidence to demonstrate this?


  • Registered Users Posts: 90 ✭✭✭ MoashoaM
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    "Part of the reason why Waterford is losing out is because city, town and county councils amalgamated in 2014"

    Never vote Fine Gael again.

    Government should work bottom up, not top down. The furthest I should have to travel to be heard should be at city hall on the Mall, not Dublin.

    I don't see any alternatives either. It's voting for Kang or Kodos.


  • Registered Users Posts: 26,260 ✭✭✭✭ Wanderer78
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    MoashoaM wrote: »
    Government should work bottom up, not top down. The furthest I should have to travel to be heard should be at city hall on the Mall, not Dublin.

    I don't see any alternatives either. It's voting for Kang or Kodos.

    This is one of the reasons why I voted for the city mayor, I do think our political system is too centralised, but unfortunately it didn't happen


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,153 ✭✭✭ friendlyfun
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    hardybuck wrote: »
    When were commercial rates last increased?

    My understanding is that this has nothing to do with the Council merger, rather a revaluation of Irish Water Rates.

    Dublin City Council recently took steps to increase revenue to address an identical issue.

    All great for your beloved Dublin, well for them. The shortfall in money represents a larger percentage of money for Waterford than it has for other counties.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,021 ✭✭✭ hardybuck
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    All great for your beloved Dublin, well for them. The shortfall in money represents a larger percentage of money for Waterford than it has for other counties.

    Would you stop. You've thrown a few points out there and if you're interested we can explore them further.

    If the Waterford Council is in dire straights, or if this is due to the amalgamation of the Councils, I'm interested to hear about it.

    I don't live in the Dublin City Council area btw - but they've been in the media recently regarding a shortfall caused by an identical issue. They've raised rates, social housing rents, the second increase parking charges this year, and on the East Link toll which are all obviously unpopular.

    I was curious as to when commercial rates were last increased - if it's been a number of years you couldn't really argue with it. If they've had a lot of recent increases then they might have a right to gripe.

    As far as I can see the Council have made a lot of positive changes around Waterford in recent years and should be commended.

    I was under the impression that the amalgamation has reduced duplication of effort in administration and reduced costs. It might also allow for more joined up thinking about areas like Tramore - which I also understand is due to benefit from a lot of upcoming works to improve the public realm.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,012 ✭✭✭ Gardner
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    this could be interesting today!!!!!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 26,260 ✭✭✭✭ Wanderer78
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    Gardner wrote: »
    this could be interesting today!!!!!!

    they must really want to shut down businesses


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,012 ✭✭✭ Gardner
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    Following Skelton on Twitter. Some joke shop our Councillor's. And some of this crowd want to be a TD hahaha


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,086 ✭✭✭✭ Harry Palmr


    From N&S
    Waterford may be one of three local authorities forced to plug a five and a half million Euro funding gap to ensure delivery of the Waterford to New Ross Greenway

    Can't see how they can throw a penny at this.


  • Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 8,814 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Aquos76
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    Gardner wrote: »
    Following Skelton on Twitter. Some joke shop our Councillor's. And some of this crowd want to be a TD hahaha

    Why would you follow someone you despise?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,086 ✭✭✭✭ Harry Palmr


    Jasus Christ why did you post that. Seriously. Step back.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,012 ✭✭✭ Gardner
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    Aquos76 wrote: »
    Why would you follow someone you despise?

    you follow the clowns for entertainment :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 534 ✭✭✭ Stopitwillya


    Sinn Fein once again shirking responsibility when hard decisions have to be made. Back to being the perennial hurlers on the ditch.


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  • Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 8,814 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Aquos76
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    Gardner wrote: »
    you follow the clowns for entertainment :D

    Well in fairness, without his tweets, no one would have know what was going on and how much of an embarrassment most of those councillors are.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 824 ✭✭✭ debok


    Gardner wrote: »
    you follow the clowns for entertainment :D

    Maybe you wouldn't hate him so much if you didn't read and follow everything he does. He's living in your head


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,021 ✭✭✭ hardybuck
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    debok wrote: »
    Maybe you wouldn't hate him so much if you didn't read and follow everything he does. He's living in your head

    People who are interested in a much greater amount of local autonomy should check out the Twitter updates from last night. Be careful what you wish for.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 824 ✭✭✭ debok


    hardybuck wrote: »
    People who are interested in a much greater amount of local autonomy should check out the Twitter updates from last night. Be careful what you wish for.

    I did check and I think Darren Skelton does a great job.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,153 ✭✭✭ friendlyfun
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    The one thing to glean from this is that Sinn Féin are nothing more than impractical populists. They don't like to make tough decisions. The spin Conor D McGuinness has put on it is laughable.


  • Registered Users Posts: 275 ✭✭ Muttley79
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    debok wrote: »
    I did check and I think Darren Skelton does a great job.

    His an attention seeking media whore who gets off on sensationalism headlines.theres a few of his ilk on twitter who love brown nosing one another to make themselves important.its all about feeding their own self egos


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 824 ✭✭✭ debok


    Muttley79 wrote: »
    His an attention seeking media whore who gets off on sensationalism headlines.theres a few of his ilk on twitter who love brown nosing one another to make themselves important.its all about feeding their own self egos

    That's his job.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,021 ✭✭✭ hardybuck
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    debok wrote: »
    I did check and I think Darren Skelton does a great job.

    I found this tweets on it last night very informative. Rather him than me.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,021 ✭✭✭ hardybuck
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    What appeared mad to me was that proposals for the budget would be debated in the session out in the open and for it to be so poorly structured.

    Certain Councillors then asking officials to check the figures for accuracy, and then powerpoints going up with wrong percentages in them and very little context attached to them - all looked really rushed.

    At a national level whoever is in Government has the chance to put their proposals together, present them to the members, and then they're voted on.

    There would obviously be a lot of work done behind the scenes in advance to secure agreement from the relevant stakeholders to ensure whatever is presented in the Budget will be passed, but you couldn't have a situation where it get's kicked around the place and potentially not agreed.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,836 ✭✭✭ iseegirls
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    Did they manage to make their Granville Christmas party? :D


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