You visit Escort Ireland - have you complaints with their business model?

bo0li5eumx12kp

First it's important to recognize that, escorting is currently illegal in Ireland.

Not allowed by law.

Currently deemed socially unacceptable.

They'll slap you in cuffs, take you to the station - hell they might even put your name in the paper (especially if you're socially weak/isolated/vulnerable - like the pensioner whom the justice system publically named and shamed earlier this year).


My issue with the sex work paradigm currently in effect, is not the constantly rehashed argument as to its legal status, no. That I understand.
My real issue is, the intrinsic structure the monopolistic website promotes;

It endorses fraudulence.

How does it do this?

It's revenue is based on the purchase of webspace via sex workers.
Each profile takes X amount of revenue.

To increase its profit margin, it encourages workers to take out more than one profile.
Whether that were to advertise two different services, such as an escort service, in tandem with a massage service.
Or simply to promote multiple profiles using a series of plagiarized images of.... instagram models, pornographic actresses, their friends?
Whomever.

It endorses, encourages, and facilitates this fraudulence, deceptively using a "verified photo" system as a means to fabricate an image of integrity (this system is of course bogus and ineffective, nor is it enforced. It's basically like a scam on top of the scam).


Now - I get it - society at large, in particular housewives, they don't like prostitution.

It's like saying, "nobody like promiscuous women" or, "nobody likes a slut".
When we all know the reality is - most of us like one from time to time.

My point is - fraudulence and deceptive practice would be scandalized and exposed in any other large scale business model.

My understanding is, this website has an annual turnover - in the millions.

MILLIONS.

Hundreds of thousands of euro (that's 6 figures) - every single week.

Irish revenue does not benefit from it's existence but, that's their own fault as the justice system (or more specifically, the personalities in the justice system) refuse to accept it is as a form of legitimate business.

Further to the justice systems position relative to the practice of sex-for-money, the monopolistic promoters willingness to engage in fraudulence - I mean, obviously is in and of itself effectively the definition of criminality and a scam - but additionally it facilitates pimping, gang operation, coercion - as it obstructs the practice of genuine independent workers and, in some cases, can be used as a means of extortion against vulnerable clientele.


TD Catherine Byrne (minister of health promotion), in addition to TD Charlie Flanagan (minister for justice), in addition to TD Simon Harris (minister for health) - their tag-line is,

"We are a promoting a safer, healthier, more inclusive environment for all".

If there was a restaurant chain, or a drug store, or any lucrative outlet, that was undercutting its customers and squeezing their suppliers in the name of higher profit margins - would that be okay?

So, in a business that eclipses the vast majority of medium to large sized Irish companies in terms of annual financial turnover - can someone help me understand - why is that okay?

pwurple

Now - I get it - society at large, in particular housewives, they don't like prostitution.

It's like saying, "nobody like promiscuous women" or, "nobody likes a slut".

It's more like, nobody likes solo women being put in a position to be robbed and/or beaten/raped.


And on tax, is there tax on gambling here?


https://m.herald.ie/news/gang-are-arrested-after-7-sex-workers-beaten-and-robbed-38712138.html

Andreas77

Very special post. I'll be in touch through PM.

Always Tired

Well, pimpin aint easy

nullzero

Always Tired wrote: »

Well, pimpin aint easy

Just remember, pimps don't cry muthafvcka.

20Wheel

It's a .com it's hosted outside the country, so Irish law has no jurisdiction over it.

Edit: probably in a foreign tax jurisdiction too. They don't seem to be doing anything illegal. Running a classified ads section.

Andreas77

Are these deals for real? I'm interested OP

The One Doctor

Are you annoyed that you can't get an escort, or are you annoyed about something else?

If your willy is sad I can recommend a cream for that.

Or a website.

wiggle16

Callum Rotten Teflon wrote: »

Irish revenue does not benefit from it's existence but, that's their own fault as the justice system (or more specifically, the personalities in the justice system) refuse to accept it is as a form of legitimate business.

The proceeds of crime are taxable under Schedule D, Case IV as per s18 of the Taxes Consolidation Act 1997. Revenue does not care whether business is legitimate or not.

I'M LOADS OF FUN AREN'T I

bo0li5eumx12kp

20Wheel wrote: »

It's a .com it's hosted outside the country, so Irish law has no jurisdiction over it.

Spare me these bureaucratic incompetencies.

If there was a concise decision to address the issue - the issue would be addressed.

bo0li5eumx12kp

wiggle16 wrote: »

The proceeds of crime are taxable under Schedule D, Case IV as per s18 of the Taxes Consolidation Act 1997. Revenue does not care whether business is legitimate or not.

I'M LOADS OF FUN AREN'T I

Well - no tax is coming into the Irish revenue by way of escorting at the moment.

So - how does that work?

20Wheel

Callum Rotten Teflon wrote: »

Spare me these bureaucratic incompetencies.

If there was a concise decision to address the issue - the issue would be addressed.

Well no. You don't get to decide what another country can host.

Pick up the phone to Mr.escorts ireland, tell him what you want him and his website to do.

Be prepared to hear steel drums playing in the background as ju are tol to go fuk juself mang.

bo0li5eumx12kp

Andreas77 wrote: »

Are these deals for real? I'm interested OP

Deals?

As in, does the website encourages multiple profiles per individual so the escort pays more and the website operators have a higher take?

....

You're asking me whether that's real?

Your Face

Would they have 1978 Mk 2 on that website?

whisky_galore

Your Face wrote: »

Would they have 1978 Mk 2 on that website?

Yes.
High mileage up on her though.

bo0li5eumx12kp

20Wheel wrote: »

Well no. You don't get to decide what another country can host.

Pick up the phone to Mr.escorts ireland, tell him what you want him and his website to do.

Be prepared to hear steel drums playing in the background as ju are tol to go fuk juself mang.

According to whom?

If ministers puts wheels in motion to recognize and regulate a practice in Ireland, for which transactions occur from Irish branches via money from business exchange in Ireland?

Your contention is tax compliance is not enforceable?

Danzy

Callum Rotten Teflon wrote: »

squeezing their suppliers in the name of higher profit margins - would that be okay?

[/I]okay?

That is surely extra.

anewme

Odd post.

More interested in tax compliance than people compliance.

Andreas77

Callum Rotten Teflon wrote: »

Deals?

Are they real women? Or only stooges for entrappment?

Leg End Reject

Ah, LaptopGremlin, the poster obsessed with women and prostitution.


Did your mother not love you enough?

wiggle16

Andreas77 wrote: »

Are they real women? Or only stooges for entrappment?

No they are completely real. Uncontrollably, incontinently real.

bo0li5eumx12kp

20Wheel wrote: »

It's a .com it's hosted outside the country, so Irish law has no jurisdiction over it.

Edit: probably in a foreign tax jurisdiction too. They don't seem to be doing anything illegal. Running a classified ads section.

Fraud is illegal mate

anewme

Callum Rotten Teflon wrote: »

Fraud is illegal mate

So is prostitution mate.

bo0li5eumx12kp

anewme wrote: »

So is prostitution mate.

So what are you saying - two wrongs make a right?

They can't ensure moral working practices cause the practice itself is outside the scope of the law?

Feisar

The bi-monthly whore thread.

Look if a woman has options and still chooses whoring best of luck to her however 9 times out of ten she doesn’t.

bo0li5eumx12kp

Feisar wrote: »

The bi-monthly whore thread.

Look if a woman has options and still chooses whoring best of luck to her however 9 times out of ten she doesn’t.

LaFuton

any Black Friday deals going?

asking for a friend in crossmolina

tdf7187

Isn't escortireland a bit late 90s/early 2000s?

wiggle16

Callum Rotten Teflon wrote: »

So what are you saying - two wrongs make a right?

They can't ensure moral working practices cause the practice itself is outside the scope of the law?

Why would they?

You log onto their website because you want to get screwed.

You can't complain when that's exactly what happens.

20Wheel

Callum Rotten Teflon wrote: »

Fraud is illegal mate

Im not sure that you're for real, your name looks familiar.

Anyway if you legit are having trouble with understanding this, then all I can say is that the site in question is none of the Irish legal systems business.

We don't have jurisdiction over sites just cause the word ireland appears in the name.

LaFuton

I'll just have a lucazade and an old fashioned ride please oh and 2 packets of cheese and onion cheers

Andreas77

Is safe or not? I won't pay money.

dxhound2005

LaFuton wrote: »

I'll just have a lucazade and an old fashioned ride please oh and 2 packets of cheese and onion cheers

At least you'll be paying tax on the Lucozade and crisps.

ILoveYourVibes

I don't have an issue with them making money while encouraging women to keep their privacy.

sligojoek

I'm guessing OP turned up at the door of "Teenage Magdalina's" apartment and she turned out to be a 'munter' and not the same person as in the website pic.

Feisar

Callum Rotten Teflon wrote: »

Reasoned discourse, why I love this site.

Dia_Anseo

Would it not be a lot safer if these girls used non cash payment payments such as SUMUP that the client can just tap and go?...............literally!

Widdershins

Maybe some women don't like the commodification of the human body? You know it's not just "housewives" and whatever that implies, who don't support your prediliction for buying people. By all means comfort yourself with the fallacy that you're doing nothing wrong and supporting nothing sinister and it's only the jealous old Irish mammies getting uptight.

CoBo55

I thought it was a new ford museum or something interesting...

bo0li5eumx12kp

wiggle16 wrote: »

Why would they?

You log onto their website because you want to get screwed.

You can't complain when that's exactly what happens.

Wrong.

I don't use it.

But I believe the presence and acceptance of something which is to many, so morally questionable - it basically plays a huge mind game with the old school/pre-historic culture of a backwards thinking country.

I want to see it legitimized - but to get there, it needs to lose any stigma of exploitation, double dealing, fraudulence - things that are intuitively and historically associated with some form of underhandedness and/or criminality.

Why would they?

Why would they what?

Conduct a more responsible and ethical business model, albeit for marginally compromised remunerative takings?

lolwut?

If your local pub were watering down drinks so they could spend less and earn more, would you think that's okay as well?

bo0li5eumx12kp

Widdershins wrote: »

Maybe some women don't like the commodification of the human body? You know it's not just "housewives" and whatever that implies, who don't support your prediliction for buying people. By all means comfort yourself with the fallacy that you're doing nothing wrong and supporting nothing sinister and it's only the jealous old Irish mammies getting uptight.

Hector Savage

Wait they named and shamed some poor oul pensioner whose only crime was being lonely ??

jaysus

wiggle16

Callum Rotten Teflon wrote: »

Wrong.

I don't use it.

I meant the royal "you".

bo0li5eumx12kp

wiggle16 wrote: »

I meant the royal "you".

Do you apply the same sense of morality whilst you're moderating the personal-issues forum?

....

:pac:

Just joking homie.

I should have said, "I don't use it........ any more".

My central nervous system seems to respond better to totally above board, legitimate massage parlors at the moment.

Their (EI) interest is money.
My interest is societal impact.
Fraudulence is something that needs a light shone on it - simple.

Public opinion implicates ministerial decisions, and then button men take their orders.

Now - say, 6 mill per year, that's 0.5 mill per month, say an average of 125,000 euro turnover, per week.
On sales alone.
Say 400 escorts, with an average of 10 clients per day - male demographic of about 1.8 million of consenting age or above.

That's about 1.5% of the male population attending escorts each week - assuming each client attends once a week - probably a little on the high side.
More like once a month, in which case it evens out at closer to 6% of the male population uses sex workers regularly.

Which is close enough to 1 out of every 17 males - say 1 in 20, to err on the conservative side.

1 in every 20 men uses sex workers in Ireland.

Say 400 workers taking an average of 100 per client at 10 clients per day - 400,000 euro total daily turnover.
2.8 million weekly turnover - about 150 million annually on men getting their jollies.
And that's just their side of the story - doesn't include living expenditure, transport etc.

....

Suffice to say, this is big business - BIG business.
Clandestined business, but ever present.

I'd love to see the audit - that's all I'm saying.

mistersifter

LaFuton wrote: »

any Black Friday deals going?

asking for a friend in crossmolina

no black Friday deals but I think an Asian tuesday one coming up soon.:D

wiggle16

Callum Rotten Teflon wrote: »

Do you apply the same sense of morality whilst you're moderating the personal-issues forum?

:pac:

You should be pleased to know that I do, in fact. If a person behaves badly then they have to accept the consequences, and hopefully learn from the experience.

As I said earlier I AM GREAT FUN AREN'T I

bo0li5eumx12kp

wiggle16 wrote: »

If a person behaves badly then they have to accept the consequences

Ice cold bro.

Ice cold.


PS - was I the only person that read that in a kind of sinister/ominous tone of voice??

wiggle16

Callum Rotten Teflon wrote: »

PS - was I the only person that read that in a kind of sinister/ominous tone of voice??

Oh. You mean like Tim Curry's demon character's voice in Legend?

That's me. Modding.

ILoveYourVibes

wiggle16 wrote: »

Oh. You mean like Tim Curry's demon character's voice in Legend?

That's me. Modding.

i like the breathy part at t he start

Austria!

Callum Rotten Teflon wrote: »

First it's important to recognize that, escorting is currently illegal in Ireland.

No it isn't. It's illegal for escorts to share premises but not to work alone.

Dual wheels

Down with that sort of thing