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You visit Escort Ireland - have you complaints with their business model?

bo0li5eumx12kp

First it's important to recognize that, escorting is currently illegal in Ireland.

Not allowed by law.

Currently deemed socially unacceptable.

They'll slap you in cuffs, take you to the station - hell they might even put your name in the paper (especially if you're socially weak/isolated/vulnerable - like the pensioner whom the justice system publically named and shamed earlier this year).

My issue with the sex work paradigm currently in effect, is not the constantly rehashed argument as to its legal status, no. That I understand.
My real issue is, the intrinsic structure the monopolistic website promotes;

It endorses fraudulence.

How does it do this?

It's revenue is based on the purchase of webspace via sex workers.
Each profile takes X amount of revenue.

To increase its profit margin, it encourages workers to take out more than one profile.
Whether that were to advertise two different services, such as an escort service, in tandem with a massage service.
Or simply to promote multiple profiles using a series of plagiarized images of.... instagram models, pornographic actresses, their friends?
Whomever.

It endorses, encourages, and facilitates this fraudulence, deceptively using a "verified photo" system as a means to fabricate an image of integrity (this system is of course bogus and ineffective, nor is it enforced. It's basically like a scam on top of the scam).

Now - I get it - society at large, in particular housewives, they don't like prostitution.

It's like saying, "nobody like promiscuous women" or, "nobody likes a slut".
When we all know the reality is - most of us like one from time to time.

My point is - fraudulence and deceptive practice would be scandalized and exposed in any other large scale business model.

My understanding is, this website has an annual turnover - in the millions.

MILLIONS.

Hundreds of thousands of euro (that's 6 figures) - every single week.

Irish revenue does not benefit from it's existence but, that's their own fault as the justice system (or more specifically, the personalities in the justice system) refuse to accept it is as a form of legitimate business.

Further to the justice systems position relative to the practice of sex-for-money, the monopolistic promoters willingness to engage in fraudulence - I mean, obviously is in and of itself effectively the definition of criminality and a scam - but additionally it facilitates pimping, gang operation, coercion - as it obstructs the practice of genuine independent workers and, in some cases, can be used as a means of extortion against vulnerable clientele.

TD Catherine Byrne (minister of health promotion), in addition to TD Charlie Flanagan (minister for justice), in addition to TD Simon Harris (minister for health) - their tag-line is,

"We are a promoting a safer, healthier, more inclusive environment for all".

If there was a restaurant chain, or a drug store, or any lucrative outlet, that was undercutting its customers and squeezing their suppliers in the name of higher profit margins - would that be okay?

So, in a business that eclipses the vast majority of medium to large sized Irish companies in terms of annual financial turnover - can someone help me understand - why is that okay?

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bo0li5eumx12kp

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Exactly, selling your body is not illegal. Running a brothel is. Being part of a brothel is. Paying for sex is. But selling it as an individual isn't.

The lad that owns this, ex-cop from NI, Peter McCormick, has moved the website hosting from Ireland to the UK, then to Wales and now in Spain due to changes in legislation. The only information I can find is that he made an annual turnover of over €6 million in 2015, but unclear if this is just from the Irish website, or the many other sister sites he has across the EU.

I take it they pay to host on the site? Whatever way he gets paid, it's quite lucrative for him. And his missus is in on it too. They had something like 20 'sex' businesses registered to their house in Bray at one stage, but legislation got rid of most of them.

Doesn't "ugly mugs" trade under their name also?

As in, the workers protective phone app that allows them to screen calls from potential thieves/serial killers/arsonists etc?

So I guess it's not all bad.

But as per the OP, they still undercut in a manner that would be scandalized in any other business model, endorsing fraud and, you know...... chicanery, in the name of profits.

Potential-Monke

Austria! wrote: »

No it isn't. It's illegal for escorts to share premises but not to work alone.

Exactly, selling your body is not illegal. Running a brothel is. Being part of a brothel is. Paying for sex is. But selling it as an individual isn't.

The lad that owns this, ex-cop from NI, Peter McCormick, has moved the website hosting from Ireland to the UK, then to Wales and now in Spain due to changes in legislation. The only information I can find is that he made an annual turnover of over €6 million in 2015, but unclear if this is just from the Irish website, or the many other sister sites he has across the EU.

I take it they pay to host on the site? Whatever way he gets paid, it's quite lucrative for him. And his missus is in on it too. They had something like 20 'sex' businesses registered to their house in Bray at one stage, but legislation got rid of most of them.

Dual wheels

Down with that sort of thing

Austria!

Callum Rotten Teflon wrote: »

First it's important to recognize that, escorting is currently illegal in Ireland.

No it isn't. It's illegal for escorts to share premises but not to work alone.

ILoveYourVibes

wiggle16 wrote: »

Oh. You mean like Tim Curry's demon character's voice in Legend?

That's me. Modding.

i like the breathy part at t he start

wiggle16

Callum Rotten Teflon wrote: »

PS - was I the only person that read that in a kind of sinister/ominous tone of voice??

Oh. You mean like Tim Curry's demon character's voice in Legend?

That's me. Modding.

bo0li5eumx12kp

wiggle16 wrote: »

If a person behaves badly then they have to accept the consequences

Ice cold bro.

Ice cold.

PS - was I the only person that read that in a kind of sinister/ominous tone of voice??

wiggle16

Callum Rotten Teflon wrote: »

Do you apply the same sense of morality whilst you're moderating the personal-issues forum?

:pac:

You should be pleased to know that I do, in fact. If a person behaves badly then they have to accept the consequences, and hopefully learn from the experience.

As I said earlier I AM GREAT FUN AREN'T I

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LaFuton wrote: »

any Black Friday deals going?

asking for a friend in crossmolina

no black Friday deals but I think an Asian tuesday one coming up soon.:D

bo0li5eumx12kp

wiggle16 wrote: »

I meant the royal "you".

Do you apply the same sense of morality whilst you're moderating the personal-issues forum?

....

:pac:

Just joking homie.

I should have said, "I don't use it........ any more".

My central nervous system seems to respond better to totally above board, legitimate massage parlors at the moment.

Their (EI) interest is money.
My interest is societal impact.
Fraudulence is something that needs a light shone on it - simple.

Public opinion implicates ministerial decisions, and then button men take their orders.

Now - say, 6 mill per year, that's 0.5 mill per month, say an average of 125,000 euro turnover, per week.
On sales alone.
Say 400 escorts, with an average of 10 clients per day - male demographic of about 1.8 million of consenting age or above.

That's about 1.5% of the male population attending escorts each week - assuming each client attends once a week - probably a little on the high side.
More like once a month, in which case it evens out at closer to 6% of the male population uses sex workers regularly.

Which is close enough to 1 out of every 17 males - say 1 in 20, to err on the conservative side.

1 in every 20 men uses sex workers in Ireland.

Say 400 workers taking an average of 100 per client at 10 clients per day - 400,000 euro total daily turnover.
2.8 million weekly turnover - about 150 million annually on men getting their jollies.
And that's just their side of the story - doesn't include living expenditure, transport etc.

....

Suffice to say, this is big business - BIG business.
Clandestined business, but ever present.

I'd love to see the audit - that's all I'm saying.

wiggle16

Callum Rotten Teflon wrote: »

Wrong.

I don't use it.

I meant the royal "you".

Hector Savage

Wait they named and shamed some poor oul pensioner whose only crime was being lonely ??

jaysus

bo0li5eumx12kp

Widdershins wrote: »

Maybe some women don't like the commodification of the human body? You know it's not just "housewives" and whatever that implies, who don't support your prediliction for buying people. By all means comfort yourself with the fallacy that you're doing nothing wrong and supporting nothing sinister and it's only the jealous old Irish mammies getting uptight.

bo0li5eumx12kp

wiggle16 wrote: »

Why would they?

You log onto their website because you want to get screwed.

You can't complain when that's exactly what happens.

Wrong.

I don't use it.

But I believe the presence and acceptance of something which is to many, so morally questionable - it basically plays a huge mind game with the old school/pre-historic culture of a backwards thinking country.

I want to see it legitimized - but to get there, it needs to lose any stigma of exploitation, double dealing, fraudulence - things that are intuitively and historically associated with some form of underhandedness and/or criminality.

Why would they?

Why would they what?

Conduct a more responsible and ethical business model, albeit for marginally compromised remunerative takings?

lolwut?

If your local pub were watering down drinks so they could spend less and earn more, would you think that's okay as well?

CoBo55

I thought it was a new ford museum or something interesting...

Widdershins

Maybe some women don't like the commodification of the human body? You know it's not just "housewives" and whatever that implies, who don't support your prediliction for buying people. By all means comfort yourself with the fallacy that you're doing nothing wrong and supporting nothing sinister and it's only the jealous old Irish mammies getting uptight.

Dia_Anseo

Would it not be a lot safer if these girls used non cash payment payments such as SUMUP that the client can just tap and go?...............literally!

Feisar

Callum Rotten Teflon wrote: »

Reasoned discourse, why I love this site.

sligojoek

I'm guessing OP turned up at the door of "Teenage Magdalina's" apartment and she turned out to be a 'munter' and not the same person as in the website pic.

ILoveYourVibes

I don't have an issue with them making money while encouraging women to keep their privacy.

dxhound2005

LaFuton wrote: »

I'll just have a lucazade and an old fashioned ride please oh and 2 packets of cheese and onion cheers

At least you'll be paying tax on the Lucozade and crisps.

Andreas77

Is safe or not? I won't pay money.

LaFuton

I'll just have a lucazade and an old fashioned ride please oh and 2 packets of cheese and onion cheers

20Wheel

Callum Rotten Teflon wrote: »

Fraud is illegal mate

Im not sure that you're for real, your name looks familiar.

Anyway if you legit are having trouble with understanding this, then all I can say is that the site in question is none of the Irish legal systems business.

We don't have jurisdiction over sites just cause the word ireland appears in the name.

wiggle16

Callum Rotten Teflon wrote: »

So what are you saying - two wrongs make a right?

They can't ensure moral working practices cause the practice itself is outside the scope of the law?

Why would they?

You log onto their website because you want to get screwed.

You can't complain when that's exactly what happens.

tdf7187

Isn't escortireland a bit late 90s/early 2000s?

LaFuton

any Black Friday deals going?

asking for a friend in crossmolina

bo0li5eumx12kp

Feisar wrote: »

The bi-monthly whore thread.

Look if a woman has options and still chooses whoring best of luck to her however 9 times out of ten she doesn’t.

Feisar

The bi-monthly whore thread.

Look if a woman has options and still chooses whoring best of luck to her however 9 times out of ten she doesn’t.

bo0li5eumx12kp

anewme wrote: »

So is prostitution mate.

So what are you saying - two wrongs make a right?

They can't ensure moral working practices cause the practice itself is outside the scope of the law?