Manor Street is an absolute mess after the clubs close

friendlyfun

I was in town last Saturday. Witnessed guys abusing taxi drivers, kicking cars, jumping up on the bonnet and looking for a claim. Lads walking around with bloodied face and hands. It's absolutely appalling. Why can't there he something constructive about this area? It's a ****hole

Gardner

friendlyfun wrote: »

I was in town last Saturday. Witnessed guys abusing taxi drivers, kicking cars, jumping up on the bonnet and looking for a claim. Lads walking around with bloodied face and hands. It's absolutely appalling. Why can't there he something constructive about this area? It's a ****hole

6 days it took you to write that. a very traumatic experience for you was it?

StringerBell

Didn't you already post this in the nightlife thread? Not sure it's deserving of its own like. Inner city street is dodgy after night clubs finish on a Saturday is hardly earth shattering news.

friendlyfun

Gardner wrote: »

6 days it took you to write that. a very traumatic experience for you was it?

Does it matter how long? It's still a disgrace. It seems nobody is willing to anything. Taxi meb shouldn't be getting threatened

friendlyfun

Gardner wrote: »

6 days it took you to write that. a very traumatic experience for you was it?

And you think this is acceptable? Should we sit on our hands or let these scum **** about it

friendlyfun

Typical Waterford. People tolerating violence and nobody willing to do **** all about it. We could perhaps change the opening hours. Oh but no way.

BBM77

friendlyfun wrote: »

Typical Waterford. People tolerating violence and nobody willing to do **** all about it. We could perhaps change the opening hours. Oh but no way.

You must live under several rocks if you think what you saw is anything out of the ordinary after closing time in Ireland these days. It is your attitude, that there is something particular wrong with Waterford, which is typical Waterford.

Road-Hog

BBM77 wrote: »

You must live under several rocks if you think what you saw is anything out of the ordinary after closing time in Ireland these days. It is your attitude, that there is something particular wrong with Waterford, which is typical Waterford.

This kind of behavior is not unique to w’ford or indeed this point in time, 20 years ago and more the same kind of degenerate regarded behaviour was just as common......not a lot had changed......is the OP trying to suggest that Waterford is more of a ‘war zone’ at 2am than other urban areas...? Most likely he/she is?

friendlyfun

Road-Hog wrote: »

This kind of behavior is not unique to w’ford or indeed this point in time, 20 years ago and more the same kind of degenerate regarded behaviour was just as common......not a lot had changed......is the OP trying to suggest that Waterford is more of a ‘war zone’ at 2am than other urban areas...? Most likely he/she is?

It doesn't help that all the main night clubs are in exactly the same place and close at the exact time

friendlyfun

Gardner wrote: »

6 days it took you to write that. a very traumatic experience for you was it?

Let's see you deal with scumbags. You'd probably cower up like a little bitch

Hoboo

friendlyfun wrote: »

Let's see you deal with scumbags. You'd probably cower up like a little bitch

Ooh, a tough guy. Same guy who does nothing and comes on a chat forum to moan. Tough as a jockeys bollox this lad.

Taxi drivers illegally parking in the bike lanes on Manor Street is not helping the situation at all.

I used to live on Manor Street and the taxi drivers used to use the bike lane outside my house as an unofficial taxi rank and they would constantly beep their horns until 3 or 4 am in the morning, which kept residents of Manor Street awake.

I lived on Manor Street for 10 years but thankfully I moved last year and never looked back. Over the 10 years I have been physically threatened on multiple occasions when simply walking form my car to my house, had my car damaged annually (sometimes multiple times per year), had my door kicked in, window broke, witnessed people getting very badly beaten up (witnessed guards ignoring the beating)……. And the list goes on.

Manor Street is like the wild west after 10pm every night of the week.

friendlyfun

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Taxi drivers illegally parking in the bike lanes on Manor Street is not helping the situation at all.

I used to live on Manor Street and the taxi drivers used to use the bike lane outside my house as an unofficial taxi rank and they would constantly beep their horns until 3 or 4 am in the morning, which kept residents of Manor Street awake.

I lived on Manor Street for 10 years but thankfully I moved last year and never looked back. Over the 10 years I have been physically threatened on multiple occasions when simply walking form my car to my house, had my car damaged annually (sometimes multiple times per year), had my door kicked in, window broke, witnessed people getting very badly beaten up (witnessed guards ignoring the beating)……. And the list goes on.

Manor Street is like the wild west after 10pm every night of the week.

I agree and it seems anybody who speaks against it gets dealt with a dour dose of "Ah shur have you seen anywhere else" it really doesn't help that the night life in Waterford is basically condensed to the one area all operating on the same opening times it seems

StringerBell

Would you say that victim complex has been a help or a hindrance in general over the course of your life to date?

StringerBell

StringerBell wrote: »

Would you say that victim complex has been a help or a hindrance in general over the course of your life to date?

What do you mean?

dartboardio

Yes, it is a disgrace.

Look up 'Give us the night' run by sunil Sharpe and central arts among others in ireland.

Trying to get polices and legislations in relation to opening/closing times for bars, and nightclubs amended to match other European cities.

Then we most likely wouldn't have this problem, as you're not getting everyone out the door in the one area at the same time. Everybody looking for a taxi in the same area, getting narky waiting, starting fights, up to no good.

friendlyfun

StringerBell wrote: »

Would you say that victim complex has been a help or a hindrance in general over the course of your life to date?

Are you having a laugh?, complaining about anti-social behaviour now gives me now a victim complex? I came on here talking about anti-social behaviour and I get attacked for. There needs to be a long term solution to what's going on in John Street.

Wanderer78

friendlyfun wrote:

Are you having a laugh?, complaining about anti-social behaviour now gives me now a victim complex? I came on here talking about anti-social behaviour and I get attacked for. There needs to be a long term solution to what's going on in John Street.

There d be aresholes on the Internets to

2pacshakur

friendlyfun wrote: »

Are you having a laugh?, complaining about anti-social behaviour now gives me now a victim complex? I came on here talking about anti-social behaviour and I get attacked for. There needs to be a long term solution to what's going on in John Street.

It’s the same in every town and city, it’s not specific to Waterford. Do you go for walks at 2AM or something? No one is forcing taxi drivers to pick up drunk people. Would you be happy with a couple of more cops around?

friendlyfun

2pacshakur wrote: »

It’s the same in every town and city, it’s not specific to Waterford. Do you go for walks at 2AM or something? No one is forcing taxi drivers to pick up drunk people. Would you be happy with a couple of more cops around?

I never said it was specific to Waterford. I'm saying the current system and layout is totally inadequate though. It doesn't help that everything is in the one area and clubs close at the exact same time.

hardybuck

I've been living in Dublin for a few years and it seems to feel safer on nights out. You don't tend to see the type of brawls you'd see in other places like Waterford. I'm sure people will have had bad experiences there but I can only go on my own.

I would count Temple Bar as an exception to the rule as its a totally different setup there with tourists and stag/hen parties.

It definitely helps to have the staggered closing hours. Streets like Camden St and Harcourt St also have a huge concentration of bars, nightclubs, hotels, restaurants and take-aways - so much so that you'll get traffic jams of taxis at certain hours of the evening.

However there is definitely more of a flow of people coming and going, as opposed to everyone trying to go home at the same time. The availability of the Luas until 00.30 and the Nightlink buses also help a little in terms of taking the pressure off taxis.

hardybuck

friendlyfun wrote: »

I was in town last Saturday. Witnessed guys abusing taxi drivers, kicking cars, jumping up on the bonnet and looking for a claim. Lads walking around with bloodied face and hands. It's absolutely appalling. Why can't there he something constructive about this area? It's a ****hole

Last year my mother was picking up one of my siblings, and two guys tried to get into her parked car on Parnell St near the junction. Luckily she locked her doors, but it was fairly unsettling for her.

A few months previously another sibling was driving home from work after midnight in that area, where a number of guys tried to flag him down like a taxi and then started slapping his bonnet while he waited at the lights.

2pacshakur

friendlyfun wrote: »

I never said it was specific to Waterford. I'm saying the current system and layout is totally inadequate though. It doesn't help that everything is in the one area and clubs close at the exact same time.

How is it? You can't tell pubs and clubs to close early if they have the license. I know Waterford has a student population so perhaps a bit worse there. Even if they do close early people will just start drinking earlier and the same thing will happen.

What your looking for is an outright closure or ban on alcohol which is never going to happen.

There is no solution.

hardybuck

2pacshakur wrote: »

How is it? You can't tell pubs and clubs to close early if they have the license. I know Waterford has a student population so perhaps a bit worse there. Even if they do close early people will just start drinking earlier and the same thing will happen.

What your looking for is an outright closure or ban on alcohol which is never going to happen.

There is no solution.

In Dublin you'll find a lot of venues that are open to 4-5. I think they get around it as they're also hotels.

2pacshakur

hardybuck wrote: »

In Dublin you'll find a lot of venues that are open to 4-5. I think they get around it as they're also hotels.

True, I think friendlyfun is living in lala land with the teletubbies.

Kilkenny has 25 pubs all within walking distance of each other. I pity the OP living there.

I heard if you cover yourself in tinfoil OP or you get a bodyguard OP it might solve your issues with drunk people.

I'd say city life is not for you, might want to move out the country.

hardybuck

2pacshakur wrote: »

True, I think friendlyfun is living in lala land with the teletubbies.

Kilkenny has 25 pubs all within walking distance of each other. I pity the OP living there.

I heard if you cover yourself in tinfoil OP or you get a bodyguard OP it might solve your issues with drunk people.

I'd say city life is not for you, might want to move out the country.

I don't think you're being quite fair there. The place has been quite unsafe for a while. We're discussion potential solutions.

friendlyfun

2pacshakur wrote: »

True, I think friendlyfun is living in lala land with the teletubbies.

Kilkenny has 25 pubs all within walking distance of each other. I pity the OP living there.

I heard if you cover yourself in tinfoil OP or you get a bodyguard OP it might solve your issues with drunk people.

I'd say city life is not for you, might want to move out the country.

Besides the cheap shots and sarcasm do you have actually have any solutions?

Btw thought it was cover yourself in bubble wrap not tinfoil? Tinfoil would seem rather counterintuitive.

2pacshakur

friendlyfun wrote: »

Besides the cheap shots and sarcasm do you have actually have any solutions?

Btw thought it was cover yourself in bubble wrap not tinfoil? Tinfoil would seem rather counterintuitive.

No, because you can't shut down pubs just cause there's a little disturbance on the street. If people don't like it stay away.

Is there actually any benefit to you if the street was quite at two in the morning? I actually think there isn't.

Tinfoil is the new 5G thing.

2pacshakur

2pacshakur wrote: »

1. No, because you can't shut down pubs just cause there's a little disturbance on the street. If people don't like it stay away.

2. Is there actually any benefit to you if the street was quite at two in the morning? I actually think there isn't.

Tinfoil is the new 5G thing.

Answer to question 1: What about the people who live in these streets?

Answer to question 2: There is elderly people/ people with kids living on Manor street and John street, should they have to deal with dumb ass drunks causing trouble?

2pacshakur

2pacshakur wrote: »

How is it? You can't tell pubs and clubs to close early if they have the license. I know Waterford has a student population so perhaps a bit worse there. Even if they do close early people will just start drinking earlier and the same thing will happen.

What your looking for is an outright closure or ban on alcohol which is never going to happen.

There is no solution.

People literally described the solution earlier in this thread. :p

The solution is to have staggered closing hours, throwing everyone out onto the at street 2am is stupid. The solution is have certain pubs close at different times or just have no closing times at all.

Plenty of countries in Europe have staggered opening hours or no closing times at all and they don't have the issues that we have in Ireland at closing times.

Adyx

There is absolutely no hope of staggered closing hours happening any time soon. Especially with the current regime in the Garda Station...Unless bars start volunteering to close at 9pm

StringerBell

friendlyfun wrote: »

Are you having a laugh?, complaining about anti-social behaviour now gives me now a victim complex? I came on here talking about anti-social behaviour and I get attacked for. There needs to be a long term solution to what's going on in John Street.

Am I having a laugh? No.

Are you being attacked? No.

Does someone getting dramatic and accusing others of "attacking" them give a decent indication that they have something of a victim complex? Yes

There needs to be a long term solution, ok, what would you suggest? What would you like to see happen?

dartboardio

2pacshakur wrote: »

No, because you can't shut down pubs just cause there's a little disturbance on the street. If people don't like it stay away.

Is there actually any benefit to you if the street was quite at two in the morning? I actually think there isn't.

Tinfoil is the new 5G thing.

Nobody said close earlier. In fact, it would be close later..

friendlyfun

2pacshakur wrote: »

No, because you can't shut down pubs just cause there's a little disturbance on the street. If people don't like it stay away.

Is there actually any benefit to you if the street was quite at two in the morning? I actually think there isn't.

Tinfoil is the new 5G thing.

I literally so no connection with Tinfoil/5G unless you're trying to make out I'm sort of conspiracy theorist for wanting to have different opening and closing times for nightlife.

friendlyfun

StringerBell wrote: »

Am I having a laugh? No.

Are you being attacked? No.

Does someone getting dramatic and accusing others of "attacking" them give a decent indication that they have something of a victim complex? Yes

There needs to be a long term solution, ok, what would you suggest? What would you like to see happen?

No victim complex here. Just a bit incredulous why some people here would rather **** in their hands and clap rather than do something proactive about the night scene? Why do all have to close at the same time?

Why do they need masses of drunken idiots to flood the one location at the one time. Surely you see the potential problem?

2pacshakur

friendlyfun wrote: »

No victim complex here. Just a bit incredulous why some people here would rather **** in their hands and clap rather than do something proactive about the night scene? Why do all have to close at the same time?

Why do they need masses of drunken idiots to flood the one location at the one time. Surely you see the potential problem?

No problem as it's 2AM in the morning, all shops are closed, most people are in bed.

If it was 3 in the day it would be a problem.

Flow Motion

The streets of any town or city is always gonna be a bit sketchy after the pubs and clubs finish. And it has always been that way TBH. When I started going out first The Bridge Hotel (or Breens as it was known locally) was the centre of Waterford's nightlife. There was huge crowds down that side of town and plenty of argy bargy @ times too! The nearest chipper was Supermacs and there was always a congregation of well oiled and hungry people lingering on into the early hours at the weekend. Pretty much the same as John St these days but in a different part of town.

With regards to the nightlife being concentrated in the John St area I think that this is out of the control of any of the concerned stakeholders. There was a time that the nightlife was quite spread out around the town. Different clubs for differing styles. The Roxy in O'Connell St; Preachers in John St; The Bridge Hotel; Flow Motion & Flare in Conduit Lane; The Reg; The Metroland. Even 'The Forum' in the early 00's was quite adrift from the so called hub @ John St. As is quite apparent from the list all of the nightclubs mentioned are now defunct and closed. Plus the way people socialise has changed in that time.

All this aside you are always going to have idiots no matter what type of system you implement. Some people are happy drunks and some are aggressive. That is the nature of alcohol. Blame society or who you want but you can't change human nature. You cannot predict what anyone is capable of doing.

Squidvicious

2pacshakur wrote: »

No problem as it's 2AM in the morning, all shops are closed, most people are in bed.

If it was 3 in the day it would be a problem.

If there's violence and innocent people are being assaulted, it's a problem whatever time of the day it happens. I have absolutely no idea these days how bad things are around town at that hour of the night. However, I suspect that, while it's not a new thing it's probably a bit worse than it was in the past simply because people have a bit more money to spend on alcohol and drugs. Put more alcohol and drugs into a bunch of people at that hour of the night and you can be pretty sure that things will be worse. And as Flow Motion points out, the nightclub/late bar scene in Waterford is much less spread out around town nowadays. Or maybe I'm just getting old

What's to be done? I'm really not sure. More guards, perhaps?

One thing that does surprise me a bit is the hostility toward the OP. By all means disagree with him and say that things aren't so bad at that hour or point out that it's little different here from the rest of the country, but I think he's entitled to raise the issue and he makes a fair point.

the dark phantom

Road-Hog wrote: »

This kind of behavior is not unique to w’ford or indeed this point in time, 20 years ago and more the same kind of degenerate regarded behaviour was just as common......not a lot had changed......is the OP trying to suggest that Waterford is more of a ‘war zone’ at 2am than other urban areas...? Most likely he/she is?

Funny how you say 20 years ago as my first thought reading the post was it reminded me of the mid late 90's. Clonmel sprung to mind.

Kk333

Clonmel is the biggest dive going, crap people, crap town. The people deserve their hell hole.

the dark phantom

Kk333 wrote: »

Clonmel is the biggest dive going, crap people, crap town. The people deserve their hell hole.

Very bitter people there alright, never anywhere else have I encountered such people, A lot of sound people there too but the hatred shown to those who don't conform there has to be witnessed to believe it.

Kk333

the dark phantom wrote: »

Very bitter people there alright, never anywhere else have I encountered such people, A lot of sound people there too but the hatred shown to those who don't conform there has to be witnessed to believe it.

Absolutely. By far the worst place iv ever lived the locals are unreal. unfortunately the sound people are afraid to say anything less they get that sort of treatment. Any way. Whats going to come out about that town in the next year will have the whole of Ireland avoiding it. Twin peaks has nothing on Clonmel.

aziz

Kk333 wrote: »

Absolutely. By far the worst place iv ever lived the locals are unreal. unfortunately the sound people are afraid to say anything less they get that sort of treatment. Any way. Whats going to come out about that town in the next year will have the whole of Ireland avoiding it. Twin peaks has nothing on Clonmel.

Go on, spill the beans

2pacshakur

I think people are attacking the OP because he's making a mountain out of a molehill.

Kk333

aziz wrote: »

Go on, spill the beans

Ill just say there are reporting restrictions involved in this case. You do the detective work.

friendlyfun

2pacshakur wrote: »

I think people are attacking the OP because he's making a mountain out of a moehill.

Well your post history is you essentially attacking people. So I'll take whatever you say with a pinch of salt.

DLS_75

What’s a “moehill”?

bullpost

DLS_75 wrote: »

What’s a “moehill”?

Famous baseball player https://mlblogsmoehill.wordpress.com/tag/moe-hill/

StringerBell

friendlyfun wrote: »

No victim complex here. Just a bit incredulous why some people here would rather **** in their hands and clap rather than do something proactive about the night scene? Why do all have to close at the same time?

Why do they need masses of drunken idiots to flood the one location at the one time. Surely you see the potential problem?

So again, what do you suggest? To my knowledge they don't all close at the same time.

A hurler on the ditch is about the least useful at helping solve any problems funnily enough

friendlyfun

StringerBell wrote: »

So again, what do you suggest? To my knowledge they don't all close at the same time.

A hurler on the ditch is about the least useful at helping solve any problems funnily enough

Most close in or around 2 and 2.30. I'm not a night club owner so bright a hurler on the ditch doesn't really come into it.

StringerBell

friendlyfun wrote: »

Most close in or around 2 and 2.30. I'm not a night club owner so bright a hurler on the ditch doesn't really come into it.

You're pointing out a problem, that is bothering you a hell of a lot and you have no solution to offer to it. Are you just having a moan for the sake of it?

I just don't see the point of this, what would you like to see done as a reasonable solution to your problem?

Has this solution been tried elsewhere and how has it worked or what would suggest tweaked to make it work on manor street?