City centre "raid"

namloc1980

Just what retail in the city needs. Bunch of scumbags.

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Ray Donovan

namloc1980 wrote: »

Just what retail in the city needs. Bunch of scumbags.

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There’s a thread already in Current Affairs/IMHO

Tails142

I was laughing at yam, kids these days, precious

Atlantic Dawn

Not a single arrest.

namloc1980

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Not a single arrest.

Of course not. They're untouchable. Would they ever fcuk off and do something productive.

PreCocious

namloc1980 wrote: »

Of course not. They're untouchable. Would they ever fcuk off and do something productive.

Maybe there wasn't an arrest because nothing happened in the end to warrant an address ?

I note that the great PJ Coogan tweeted after the non-event that they had received a tip off.

namloc1980

PreCocious wrote: »

Maybe there wasn't an arrest because nothing happened in the end to warrant an address ?

I note that the great PJ Coogan tweeted after the non-event that they had received a tip off.

I was in town yesterday evening. Gangs of them blocking footpaths on Patrick Street, screaming and roaring into people's faces as they tried to go about their business. Gardaí just standing there doing fook all. I suppose you'll tell me it's just kids being kids eh?

Ludo

namloc1980 wrote: »

I was in town yesterday evening. Gangs of them blocking footpaths on Patrick Street, screaming and roaring into people's faces as they tried to go about their business. Gardaí just standing there doing fook all. I suppose you'll tell me it's just kids being kids eh?

How accurate is the thread on the other forum which says they were all immigrants of African descent? Haven't seen that anywhere other than on that thread. Would be interesting to know how accurate that is.

I am not trying to start a racial discussion here...simply wondering from an eye witness if the people saying it was "immigrants"are stirring or if threy are accurate.

Outkast_IRE

Ludo wrote: »

How accurate is the thread on the other forum which says they were all immigrants of African descent? Haven't seen that anywhere other than on that thread. Would be interesting to know how accurate that is.

I am not trying to start a racial discussion here...simply wondering from an eye witness if the people saying it was "immigrants"are stirring or if threy are accurate.

There are some twitter links now further in he thread and its pretty clear the majority are of a certain background.

namloc1980

I was in town yesterday when this was going on and would say the vast majority of those involved were our own local scumbags.

mikeym

Worrying times

PreCocious

Ludo wrote: »

How accurate is the thread on the other forum which says they were all immigrants of African descent? Haven't seen that anywhere other than on that thread. Would be interesting to know how accurate that is.

I am not trying to start a racial discussion here...simply wondering from an eye witness if the people saying it was "immigrants"are stirring or if threy are accurate.

The only photos I've seen show that it was a group of Cork's Finest Jocks and Conors. I know that the usual racist/prolife/homophobic accounts on twitter jumped onto this event and blamed a certain grouping, even though these accounts (mostly bots) hadn't a notion of what happened or even where Cork was.

roundymac

Dry run IMO. See how the Gardai react, next time will we see a raid somewhere it's not expected while the few gardai that we have are elsewhere.

whisky_galore

For weeks there have been on and off throwing of objects at cars and taxis by youths.

Nothing a few good kicks up the hole wouldn't sort out, but can't even do that now.

corks finest

namloc1980 wrote:

I was in town yesterday evening. Gangs of them blocking footpaths on Patrick Street, screaming and roaring into people's faces as they tried to go about their business. Gardaí just standing there doing fook all. I suppose you'll tell me it's just kids being kids eh?

No it's gardai being gardai-. Doing Fu*k all to make our streets safe- more inteiin telling all and sundry that they're stretched etc etc etc etc, government tax collectors,as a teen we'd get our holes kicked if we cheeked them,and rightly so ,now between the " new " Irish and the Irish snowflakes we're shagged,they are untouchable

Corholio

Outkast_IRE wrote: »

There are some twitter links now further in he thread and its pretty clear the majority are of a certain background.

namloc1980 wrote: »

I was in town yesterday when this was going on and would say the vast majority of those involved were our own local scumbags.

This is exactly the problem with people being outraged about certain news when it's obvious they don't even know what it actually is, but certain people online will magnetise to certain views (not people I quoted. That was to show 2 different descriptions of the same incident)

I had heard myself that there were plenty of local scumbags involved as well.

corks finest

namloc1980 wrote:

I was in town yesterday evening. Gangs of them blocking footpaths on Patrick Street, screaming and roaring into people's faces as they tried to go about their business. Gardaí just standing there doing fook all. I suppose you'll tell me it's just kids being kids eh?

As reported on red FM Neal prendeville this morning, predominantly black teens ,220 bus all black teens , coincidence that not a lot done in either case? Not a bloody hope of white toerags getting away with this shi*e,race card looks again so the gardai etc are afraid to go near them,they've gone on the rampage in Carrigaline ( stabbing reported) in the summer, racially abused a white female driver+ threatened to rape her and it goess on , Balbriggan etc etc,these black/ coloured teens are feral end of ,and untouchable, FFS riot squad on corks main streets ,100 + mainly black teens obstructive, threatening, causing shoppers if all ages worry and the bloody law arrest 2?and our oh so precious snowflakes won't accept that this is happening regularly,wake up Ireland ,these scrotes need to be dealt with and harshly

corks finest

PreCocious wrote:

The only photos I've seen show that it was a group of Cork's Finest Jocks and Conors. I know that the usual racist/prolife/homophobic accounts on twitter jumped onto this event and blamed a certain grouping, even though these accounts (mostly bots) hadn't a notion of what happened or even where Cork was.

Wake up FFS and listen and learn,well reported that predominantly black teens ref JD sports,all black teens reference 220 bus driver threatened with tape etc etc,cop on and grow a pair

corks finest

PreCocious wrote:

The only photos I've seen show that it was a group of Cork's Finest Jocks and Conors. I know that the usual racist/prolife/homophobic accounts on twitter jumped onto this event and blamed a certain grouping, even though these accounts (mostly bots) hadn't a notion of what happened or even where Cork was.

It's not racist etc to tell the truth,facts are 1- mostly black teens reference JD sports
2- all black teens reference 220 bus
3- wake up , we've enough of our own scumbags without importing new ones,and those who are lucky enough to be granted Irish citizenship need to behave,their parents obviously don't give a fu*k

namloc1980

corks finest wrote: »

As reported on red FM Neal prendeville this morning, predominantly black teens ,220 bus all black teens , coincidence that not a lot done in either case? Not a bloody hope of white toerags getting away with this shi*e,race card looks again so the gardai etc are afraid to go near them,they've gone on the rampage in Carrigaline ( stabbing reported) in the summer, racially abused a white female driver+ threatened to rape her and it goess on , Balbriggan etc etc,these black/ coloured teens are feral end of ,and untouchable, FFS riot squad on corks main streets ,100 + mainly black teens obstructive, threatening, causing shoppers if all ages worry and the bloody law arrest 2?and our oh so precious snowflakes won't accept that this is happening regularly,wake up Ireland ,these scrotes need to be dealt with and harshly

I was actually in town when this was going on last Friday. There were some black teens involved but the majority were white Irish. Fact. I would take anything on Prenderville with a massive pinch of salt.

corks finest

namloc1980 wrote:

I was actually in town when this was going on last Friday. There were some black teens involved but the majority were white Irish. Fact. I would take anything on Prenderville with a massive pinch of salt.

Lady was v grounded also a neighbour of mine said basically the same

PreCocious

I was talking to my barber today and his wife's cousin said they were all Irish and a good few had posh accents - she had heard that it originated as a Pres V Christians challenge.

are both of these fee paying or just Pres

Beechwoodspark

Just listening to Neil prendeville show :

1st women said about 80% black teenagers
They call themselves ABL -all black lads
They tried to storm lifestyle after the JD raid failed
1 woman said they tried again on sat morning and failed.

Lot of ppl complaining the city has drastically changed in the last year or so, for the worst. Unsafe lawless feeling in the city centre.

MrDerp

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Just listening to Neil prendeville show :

1st women said about 80% black teenagers
They call themselves ABL -all black lads
They tried to storm lifestyle after the JD raid failed
1 woman said they tried again on sat morning and failed.

Lot of ppl complaining the city has drastically changed in the last year or so, for the worst. Unsafe lawless feeling in the city centre.

I haven’t felt this unsafe since the imaginary kidnapping attempt a few months ago.

corks finest

PreCocious wrote:

I was talking to my barber today and his wife's cousin said they were all Irish and a good few had posh accents - she had heard that it originated as a Pres V Christians challenge.

Obviously taking the piss , otherwise white coats coming soon

Ludo

PreCocious wrote: »

I was talking to my barber today and his wife's cousin said they were all Irish and a good few had posh accents - she had heard that it originated as a Pres V Christians challenge.

This is why I asked back along if the reports of the race involved were accurate. When I first heard about this, my immediate thought was that it would mainly be Pres/Christians type idiots doing this.
Still have no idea what the truth is here though.

PreCocious

Ludo wrote: »

This is why I asked back along if the reports of the race involved were accurate. When I first heard about this, my immediate thought was that it would mainly be Pres/Christians type idiots doing this.
Still have no idea what the truth is here though.

Yes, it's the sort of "jape" that these lads would come up with, safe in the knowledge that even if they did get lifted Daddy, or Uncle Rory, would ensure nothing happened.

The same reason that the summer drug trade in Schull / Baltimore / Crook goes under the radar.

It was either the blacks or the private school boys, say the people with agendas who weren't there!

Our family business is in the city centre and my brother and father watched the whole thing unfold, and confirmed that the vast majority were our own finest toe rags.

But that won't stop the people with axes to grind trying to twist this to suit their needs.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

are both of these fee paying or just Pres

The lawless feeling in the city is due to the number of drug addicts now roaming the streets. I moved back from a 13 year spell in Dublin recently and was shocked how much the place has changed, and it's mostly down to drugs.

We now have our first generation of heroin addicts in the city centre, mostly young lads with wild eyes looking for their next fix.

bot43

Gemma would love this thread.

It’s either the over privileged Pres Boys or evil foreigners.

bot43

PreCocious wrote: »

The same reason that the summer drug trade in Schull / Baltimore / Crook goes under the radar.

Ya that’s a load of bollocks. Been going to Crook for decades. Never seen anything worse than a bit of weed floating about the place.

But it’s another easy swipe to make.

PreCocious

bot43 wrote: »

Ya that’s a load of bollocks. Been going to Crook for decades. Never seen anything worse than a bit of weed floating about the place.

But it’s another easy swipe to make.

That's the point.

It's an easy swipe to make and because it fits in with people's preconceived notions a lot of people will accept it.

That's why on this thread we've seen the people ranting about others and using the vocabulary of a particular racist cohort - that fitted in with their preconceived notions of what happened.

The big issue is that the news reports were unclear - they left room for speculation and hearsay.

bot43

PreCocious wrote: »

That's the point.

It's an easy swipe to make and because it fits in with people's preconceived notions a lot of people will accept it.

That's why on this thread we've seen the people ranting about others and using the vocabulary of a particular racist cohort - that fitted in with their preconceived notions of what happened.

The big issue is that the news reports were unclear - they left room for speculation and hearsay.

Apologies.

I’ve not liked the tone of the conversation and jumped in with both feet it seems

Brussels Sprout

Deleted User wrote: »

We now have our first generation of heroin addicts in the city centre, mostly young lads with wild eyes looking for their next fix.

100% this. I'd be far more concerned about this sinister development than a bunch of teenagers acting like idiots.

Last Friday I had 2 separate incidents where I was approached by junkies in the north inner city. I haven't had that experience in Cork before.

cantalach

PreCocious wrote: »

Yes, it's the sort of "jape" that these lads would come up with, safe in the knowledge that even if they did get lifted Daddy, or Uncle Rory, would ensure nothing happened

My young fella goes to one of those two schools. I’m a plain old PAYE worker for an American multinational. I shop at Aldi. I went to a non-fee-paying school up the country. I work my bollocks off so that my kids can have opportunities I didn’t have. I don’t own a summer home in West Cork or anywhere else. This is true for most parents at that school. There is very little evidence of privilege. If my son were ever to get in trouble, I have no “connections” that would help him out. So listen, you continue to believe your us-and-them Eton-by-the-Lee deluded fantasy about Cork’s fee-paying schools but I’m afraid a fantasy is all it is.

rob316

Just let the Guards beat the piss out of them with a baton. Arm all of them too, no one takes our police force serious. A gang of kids in a stand off with kids laughing at them is embarrassing. I was in Germany a few weeks ago, police there you wouldn't **** with, military looking - fit men and women that is what we need here.

The city centre is gone to the dogs, I lived in Dublin before and it's as bad but no police presence around. I'm 6 foot 2 and built so I don't get any hassle around town but it definitely feels unsafe.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

I have noticed more of a garda presence this week, several foot patrols have passed, which is unusual.

I'm 5'8" skinny as fcuk and tbh I find it pretty hyperbolic to say town feels unsafe but yes there definitely is a rougher edge to the place at the moment. Heroin looks to be getting a serious foothold.

I wasn't in town on Friday but people have been talking about it a lot. As I said I wasn't there so I don't know the demographic of the kids for sure, but I will say that the one customer who was very insistent that it was all African kids was also on the bus that day the Nigerian woman abandoned her buggy at the stop because the dole would give her another one anyway

EnzoScifo

cantalach wrote: »

My young fella goes to one of those two schools. I’m a plain old PAYE worker for an American multinational. I shop at Aldi. I went to a non-fee-paying school up the country. I work my bollocks off so that my kids can have opportunities I didn’t have. I don’t own a summer home in West Cork or anywhere else. This is true for most parents at that school. There is very little evidence of privilege. If my son were ever to get in trouble, I have no “connections” that would help him out. So listen, you continue to believe your us-and-them Eton-by-the-Lee deluded fantasy about Cork’s fee-paying schools but I’m afraid a fantasy is all it is.

Still don't understand why they get state funding. I say that as an ex-CBC pupil.

cantalach

EnzoScifo wrote: »

Still don't understand why they get state funding. I say that as an ex-CBC pupil.

I’ve never really thought about it tbh. In fact I don’t even know what funding is provided, i.e. if it is just teachers’ salaries or more.

But off the top of my head I would think:

If fee-paying schools didn’t exist, the State would then have to bear the entire cost of educating those boys, including the capital costs of the buildings and equipment. I reckon the State is getting a bargain with the current model.

The boys are being educated to become productive members of society, whose taxes will fund the education of the next generation amongst other things. State assistance is provided to many private ventures and institutions which increase the wealth and wellbeing of society.

These schools teach the curriculum prescribed by the State and don’t have the freedom to do their own thing. Seems only fair if the schools are doing the State’s bidding (“hey schools, we want our future citizens to know all the following...”) that the State should contribute to that.

Leonard Hofstadter

cantalach wrote: »

My young fella goes to one of those two schools. I’m a plain old PAYE worker for an American multinational. I shop at Aldi. I went to a non-fee-paying school up the country. I work my bollocks off so that my kids can have opportunities I didn’t have. I don’t own a summer home in West Cork or anywhere else. This is true for most parents at that school. There is very little evidence of privilege. If my son were ever to get in trouble, I have no “connections” that would help him out. So listen, you continue to believe your us-and-them Eton-by-the-Lee deluded fantasy about Cork’s fee-paying schools but I’m afraid a fantasy is all it is.

Couldn't agree more. I went to one of these schools and while there certainly were some like the stereotype, who had the big houses in Crosshaven or Blackrock village, coupled with the suitably expensive cars, the vast majority are just ordinary people like you'd find in any other school. We certainly weren't poor growing up but like yourself, my parents prioritised our education above things like holidays abroad, nice cars and a few other things people supposedly would do because they went to Christians or Pres. That's the way it is for most people in Christians and Pres actually, ordinary folk leading ordinary lives with no pretensions or reason to look down on people from a 'lesser' area or any kind of nonsense like that.