Winter tyres just on the rear of FWD

EagerBeaverton

Found a bunch of posts here and on other sites about where to put new tyres (or better said, where to put the 'better' tyres). Range of personal opinions but posts with text/links to statements by manufacturers suggest putting the better tyres on the rear to reduce the chances of the rear end kicking out on you.

Posts tended to be either about where to put new summer/all-season tyres. One linked to a video showing NOT to put winter tyres ONLY on the front of a FWD car.

A month or two ago I got two new Falken all-season tyres put on the front of FWD mini cooper and then a little later got two part-worn Firestone winter tyres on the rear. The part worns are almost new, the tread depth is excellent. The car recently past NCT with this set-up, but I know the NCT isn't all it's cracked up to be.

Would there be any reason to change what the car is running on in terms of the mix of all-season on front and winter tyres on rear?

At the time of getting them changed there was a **** tonne of life stress so I wasn't as on the ball with thinking or asking questions about mixing the tyre types. I remember when they suggested them thinking would that be the right thing to do but when I saw the Firestone brand I at least felt comfortable that they weren't budget.

colm_mcm

I would prob put the winters on front

grogi

Do you have all season tyres or summer tyres?

People in Ireland very often misunderstand what an all season tyres is in Europe...

sumo12

Winter boots all round and then go out snow chasing

hi5

It depends on what you want, if you want to go up and down hills successfully I'd put them on the front.
If you want to go round bends safely without ending up backwards in the ditch then I'd put them on the back.

Doctors room ghost

hi5 wrote: »

It depends on what you want, if you want to go up and down hills successfully I'd put them on the front.
If you want to go round bends safely without ending up backwards in the ditch then I'd put them on the back.

Or put on 4 and have the best of both.
You could always keep the other ones and have them put on again in summer

colm_mcm

Never do anything.

biko

Tyres with best grip goes on rear.

CJhaughey

Winter +All season is not that bad a combo as Winter and Summer.

_Brian

samih wrote: »

That video annoys the ****e out of me.
No matter the tyre who goes out and drives like a Moron in snow.

Most of us want winter tyres to get us home at a safe slow speed.

A number of times I’ve put winter tyres on the front of a FWD saloon car and it’s been great in snowy weather.

Paddy@CIRL

biko wrote: »

Tyres with best grip goes on rear.

There are obvious flaws to this logic (FWD + snowy incline), but I understand that you're trying to protect people from unexpected oversteer situations during the course of typical driving.

OP, I'd recommend putting four winters or all-seasons on. I'm running Michelin Cross Climate+ which have proved fantastic last winter and this year so far.

CalamariFritti

Assuming your car is a front wheel drive (most cars are) Id put them there.
But wouldnt use a true winter tyre in Ireland at all. 2 days of fast disappearing slush aren’t worth it. But I live by the coast. If you live up a hill in the midlands the situation may be different.

CiniO

_Brian wrote: »

That video annoys the ****e out of me.
No matter the tyre who goes out and drives like a Moron in snow.

Not like moron, but driving normally on snow with speeds of 100km/h and over is pretty normal in countries where snow is regular occurance.

Good winter tyres is a must obviously.

I would be very wary of having worse grip tyres on the rear than front in snow.


For OP I would recommend leaving his setup as is.
All season on the front, and winter on the rear.

EagerBeaverton

Cheers folks. Made an error, the fronts are summer tyres not all-season, thought the guys putting them on said all-season but they aren't as per Oponeo.

So it's a FWD with Falken summers at front and Firestone winters at the rear.

In a section on winter tyres the RSA states: "should you wish to install a set of snow tyres, you always install a full set of four to reduce the risks of over and under steer." I can't tell if they mean winter tyres when they say snow tyres though. Though that goes along with other posts here.

There is clearly pros / cons to putting the better grip tyres at the front or rear - few listed here.

But overall, even from an insurance perspective, I should probably have all the same type of tyre (winters or all-season) on the car and not a mix. Has anyone ever asked this to an insurance company? If an accident happens and the car has summer fronts and winter rears is that going to void the insurance?

grogi

EagerBeaverton wrote: »

Cheers folks. Made an error, the fronts are summer tyres not all-season, thought the guys putting them on said all-season but they aren't as per Oponeo.

So it's a FWD with Falken summers at front and Firestone winters at the rear.

In a section on winter tyres the RSA states: "should you wish to install a set of snow tyres, you always install a full set of four to reduce the risks of over and under steer." I can't tell if they mean winter tyres when they say snow tyres though. Though that goes along with other posts here.

There is clearly pros / cons to putting the better grip tyres at the front or rear - few listed here.

But overall, even from an insurance perspective, I should probably have all the same type of tyre (winters or all-season) on the car and not a mix. Has anyone ever asked this to an insurance company? If an accident happens and the car has summer fronts and winter rears is that going to void the insurance?

In that case leave the winter tyres at the back.

You won't have more understeer in this setup than with four summer tyres, but the risk of uncontrolled oversteer will be dramatically reduced.
Two winter tyres at the front will give you an illusion of great grip with an occasional sudden gigantic oversteer, which might literaly be leathal.

Greyfoot

No such thing as snow tyres unless you put studs into a set. Winter tyres are not only for snow but they are made of different compound and provide a lot better traction on cold tarmac under 6C degree if memory serves right.

Edit: put them wherever you'd like won't make much difference in an fwd, but as someone already mentioned you'd be better off getting a full set then swap them over in spring.

biko

Do me a favour OP and get a full set so we don't have to have another "new tyres on front vs rear" 3 page discussion again

grogi

Greyfoot wrote: »

No such thing as snow tyres unless you put studs into a set. Winter tyres are not only for snow but they are made of different compound and provide a lot better traction on cold tarmac under 6C degree if memory serves right.

Edit: put them wherever you'd like won't make much difference in an fwd, but as someone already mentioned you'd be better off getting a full set then swap them over in spring.

Studs are not for snow, bit for ice. On snow winter tyres are grippy enough.

CJhaughey

It would be typical for the RSA to put out erroneous and confusing information.

If the tyres have the 3PMSF marking then they are certified for Winter use.
Many All season tyres have the 3PMSF marking and as such are legal in countries that mandate Winter tyre usage during cold weather.
M+S means nothing, so make sure that your winter tyres are actually winter tyres not some old M+S tyres.

CiniO

Generally when it comes to winter tyres I'll share my own experience in a form of myths and facts (and I've been regular user of winter tyres for last 25 years every winter).

1. Winter tyres provide better grip on snow and ice.
Fact.
Difference in grip on snow comparing to summer tyres is tremendous. It's a kind of difference like going through bend at 20km/h on summer tyres and ending up in a ditch, compared to making the same bend at 70km/h on winter tyres safely.
Grip on ice is bit different thing, as winter tyres help compared to summer tyres but not really much. To have good grip on ice you need studded tyres.

2. Winter tyres are necessery when temperature start going down below 7 degrees even on dry or wet tarmac.
Myth.
In my experience this magical 7 degrees borderline is typical marketing thing which is to encourage more people to get into changing tyres twice a year.
Summer tyres can still provide very good grip at lower temperatures and are not really worse than winter tyres. Even at the like of -20 degrees, on dry or wet surface I didn't notice much difference between summer and winter tyres.

3. Winter tyres used in summer will wear excessively and will provide inferior grip.
Myth.
I actually believed it long, but once tried driving in a summer on winter tyres, and they neither worn quickly nor provided bad grip. Even opposite - I though they were giving pretty decent grip on abbrasive Irish country roads.

4. All-season tyres are good compromise for climates like Ireland.
Both Myth and Fact.
On the one hand indeed they will behave well on dry and wet road, and will give extra grip on snow compared to summer tyres.
However extra grip on snow might be hardly noticable.
Last summer I purchased a set of Klebber Quadraxer all-season tyres, and while I'm really happy with web and dry road grip, then snow driving is a bit of disaster. They are only a very slightly better than summer tyres no snow. (comparing to example above that bend could be driven at 25km/h maybe).

5. It's better to have better grip tyres on the back than front.
Fact.
Otherwise, especially when driving on slippery surfaces like snow or ice, you are making it extremelly easy to oversteer your car, which requires good skills to recover.
When better tyres are on the back, you won't oversteer easily. You might understeer, but that's much easier and more intuitive to controll than recovering from oversteer.

Greyfoot

CiniO wrote: »

Generally when it comes to winter tyres I'll share my own experience in a form of myths and facts (and I've been regular user of winter tyres for last 25 years every winter).

1. Winter tyres provide better grip on snow and ice.
Fact.
I agree

2. Winter tyres are necessery when temperature start going down below 7 degrees even on dry or wet tarmac.
Fact
Sure there is marketing involved too but you can't deny the fact that they are a lot softer than summer tyres and they DO provide superior grip in cold dry weather. Snow is a different matter, summer tyres are basically as slicks on wet.
I strongly discourage anyone trying to drive in sub zero temps with summer tyres as they become hard as if they were 20 years old.

3. Winter tyres used in summer will wear excessively and will provide inferior grip.
Fact
They do wear out a lot quicker in warm weather and they provide highly inadequate grip during heavy braking and cornering. You can literally blow up one on a hot summer day with proper determination.

4. All-season tyres are good compromise for climates like Ireland.
Myth/Fact
Never tried them so can't comment.

5. It's better to have better grip tyres on the back than front.
Myth/Fact
This actually depends entirely on the vehicle's layout and its drivers abilities. I'd rather have better tyres on the front in an fwd and better rears in an rwd all day long. Awd is a whole lot of different animal you'd need all corners covered to have any meaningful driving experience.

Sorry to derail just wanted to clear up some points mentioned here.

CJhaughey

Greyfoot wrote: »

Sorry to derail just wanted to clear up some points mentioned here.

You have to clarify this a bit further, Winter tyres are not all the same.

Summer tyres fall into several different segments, Ultra high performance, Touring, budget etc.

Winter tyres are the same you have Studded Nordic Winter, Non studded Nordic winter, Central Europe winter and All season which can fall into the latter two camps.

In my experience using winters over 10 years I have found that some winters do wear quickly in summer, others not so much.
Continental TS850 wore as long as summers, likewise Nokian All Weather+
Generally Central European Winters last a long time as they are designed for cool and damp conditions with not a lot of snow or ice, which is generally what we get here most of the year.

True Nordic winters like Nokian Hakkapellita will wear quickly on dry tarmac surfaces and as such are not suitable for the conditions we experience here in general apart from unusual events like winter 2009-10, perhaps this was the type of winter tyre you experienced?

It's my contention that good All Season tyres with the 3PMSF marking are very suitable for Irish roads in general, we don't get extreme variations in heat from Winter to summer in terms of road temperatures, yes a few days in summer with sun will see the tarmac melt but that's the exception more than the rule.
Bridgestone A005 are excellent in my experience with very good water clearance abilities which is a major factor in tyres used mainly on the West coast, East coast doesn't get anywhere near as much rainfall so water clearance isn't as big a priority.

padyjoe

I don't get it. What's the point in mixing different season tyres? Wearing flip-flops in frost or winter boots in 30 degrees? :-D
1 average new tyre costs 1-2 full tanks of fuel, 1 full tank equals to 600-900kms, let's call it a monthly mileage, so in the 'best' case scenario the money will be spent in 8 months. The tyres will have much more life than 8 months.

(I had this mixed setup for a short while, resulted in much more careful driving as I didn't want to find out which is the weakest link in given weather condition.)

OP ask yourself a question: am I happy and confident with my tyres? If yes, drive accordingly due to different grip on each axle. You might never put them to the real test but always better be safe then sorry.

grogi

padyjoe wrote: »

I don't get it.

Your cognition - your problem

padyjoe wrote: »

What's the point in mixing different season tyres? Wearing flip-flops in frost or winter boots in 30 degrees? :-D
1 average new tyre costs 1-2 full tanks of fuel, 1 full tank equals to 600-900kms, let's call it a monthly mileage, so in the 'best' case scenario the money will be spent in 8 months. The tyres will have much more life than 8 months.

So in other words you're doubling your car cost for 8 month?!

padyjoe wrote: »

(I had this mixed setup for a short while, resulted in much more careful driving as I didn't want to find out which is the weakest link in given weather condition.)

OP ask yourself a question: am I happy and confident with my tyres? If yes, drive accordingly due to different grip on each axle. You might never put them to the real test but always better be safe then sorry.

You are a victim of the same symptom of the huge portion of the population - lack of planning and forward thinking. You don't see a point of a change if it doesn't bring an immediate effect forgetting it might be a step towards desired goal.

Mixed setup with grippier tyres on the rear by no means will not be worse than summer tyres an all four. It is however a step towards four not-miserable-in-snow tyres.

padyjoe

Why are you taking this so personal?
My cognition is more than adequate. It's one opinion, take it or leave, don't use it for far flung conclusion.

What I was trying to say: new set of tyres last for years, why would one skimp on safety? If you spend 400 quid on petrol in 8 months, spending the same amount on tyres and they do last at least 4-5-whatever years. So tyre expenditure is small compared to fuel considering their lifespan.

Lack of planning and forward thinking? I have to smile, if you knew me personally, you never would in your wildest dreams say this about me.
To me the mixed setup is not a step forward. At least not for the average Joes (because this is not the discussion about professionals). The car has four wheels not two. Mixing a different disclipine tyres creates imbalance and that's not a good thing for everyday driving.

You should try cycling perhaps. If you mess with your grip, there's a big price to pay if something goes wrong.

Zubeneschamali

padyjoe wrote: »

spending the same amount on tyres and they do last at least 4-5-whatever years.

Tyres last you 5 years??

EDIT: Or do you mean swapping winters on for a few months a year, they last that long?

Greyfoot

CJhaughey wrote: »

You have to clarify this a bit further, Winter tyres are not all the same.

Summer tyres fall into several different segments, Ultra high performance, Touring, budget etc.

Winter tyres are the same you have Studded Nordic Winter, Non studded Nordic winter, Central Europe winter and All season which can fall into the latter two camps.

In my experience using winters over 10 years I have found that some winters do wear quickly in summer, others not so much.
Continental TS850 wore as long as summers, likewise Nokian All Weather+
Generally Central European Winters last a long time as they are designed for cool and damp conditions with not a lot of snow or ice, which is generally what we get here most of the year.

True Nordic winters like Nokian Hakkapellita will wear quickly on dry tarmac surfaces and as such are not suitable for the conditions we experience here in general apart from unusual events like winter 2009-10, perhaps this was the type of winter tyre you experienced?

It's my contention that good All Season tyres with the 3PMSF marking are very suitable for Irish roads in general, we don't get extreme variations in heat from Winter to summer in terms of road temperatures, yes a few days in summer with sun will see the tarmac melt but that's the exception more than the rule.
Bridgestone A005 are excellent in my experience with very good water clearance abilities which is a major factor in tyres used mainly on the West coast, East coast doesn't get anywhere near as much rainfall so water clearance isn't as big a priority.

Yes mate they are not made equal alright, some are better quality and composition than others, I am not up to date to be honest on their quality nowadays as I live in a snow and sub zero free part of the EU where winters usually see around 12C average.

My experience comes from driving years in Eastern European roads during winter but truth to be told the choice was less than stellar back than so you are most likely right in what you stated. I was in Dublin when that 2 days heavy snow stopped the country dead in its tracks alright. Had an e36 with summer tyres, was not fun at all trying to get home.

EagerBeaverton

Cheers again and apologies, I wasn't intending on igniting a "new tyres on front vs rear" discussion. I understand that there are pros and cons to both, and each person has a preference - so each to their own.

I was less concerned about new vs old on front/rear, and more on whether different types (winter vs summer) is problematic, though I know the arguments are related.

I didn't specifically go for this set-up - not being on the ball at the time of needing new tyres meant this set-up is what's ended up on the car somewhat accidentally. So just to clarify, I'm not asking if this set-up is 'ideal', I'm more focused on whether it's safe.

I'm also primarily thinking about what is legal or potentially something that would lead an insurer to void the insurance policy if an accident were to occur. Has anyone heard of an insurance company claiming that the tyres were too 'different' from each other and so the car was not road worthy technically?

Just to mention again, the car passed the NCT with this setup. Though I know the NCT isn't all it's cut out to be.

OPollo

Better tyres always at the rear. At slushy conditions the last thing you want to see/feel is over-steering when overtaking another car and you have to sudden stop ...Rear end will be gone in front of you ... Also people drive more carefully when under-steering is an issue.

hognef

I suspect that, in countries where winter tyres are a recognised concept, it is illegal to mix summer and winter tyres, due to their vastly different characteristics. I know for a fact this is true for Norway.

Controlling the car would become very unpredictable as the front tyres would have the (vastly) better grip in some situations and the rear tyres in other situations, e.g. depending on temperature, ice, snow and wet vs dry. I would definitely not use a mix myself.

ednwireland

i wouldnt have wanted that combination on the sheet ice i was on this morning got my fronts matched to the rears a few weeks ago (bridgestone weather control)

grogi

hognef wrote: »

I suspect that, in countries where winter tyres are a recognised concept, it is illegal to mix summer and winter tyres, due to their vastly different characteristics. I know for a fact this is true for Norway.

Controlling the car would become very unpredictable as the front tyres would have the (vastly) better grip in some situations and the rear tyres in other situations, e.g. depending on temperature, ice, snow and wet vs dry. I would definitely not use a mix myself.

In which metric would the mix with winter tyres at the back and summer at the front be worse than four summer tyres?

CiniO

grogi wrote: »

In which metric would the mix with winter tyres at the back and summer at the front be worse than four summer tyres?

RWD or AWD...

You'd be able to accelerate easily but braking would be a struggle.

grogi

CiniO wrote: »

RWD or AWD...

You'd be able to accelerate easily but braking would be a struggle.

I always forget about those 3%

hognef

grogi wrote: »

In which metric would the mix with winter tyres at the back and summer at the front be worse than four summer tyres?

In warm and dry weather, the winter tyres will likely perform significantly worse than the summer tyres.

TheBoyConor

What a load of bull. That video was made and he was biased because he knew which tyres were where on the car so that means he may, even unconciously, have behaved different at the wheel because he knew what the expected handling "should" be.

By right neither the driver nor whoever was watching the test or looking at the results should have known what tyres were on the car at any stage. Flawed science.

It is all scaremongering to con soccer dads into spending big money on tyres.

Anyway, I've been driving for 15 years on spruious tyres, of dubious origin, often found or salvaged for free in scrap yards and i've never lost control or crahsed.

grogi

hognef wrote: »

In warm and dry weather, the winter tyres will likely perform significantly worse than the summer tyres.

Are we speaking theoretically about June in Nevada?

hognef

grogi wrote: »

Are we speaking theoretically about June in Nevada?

No.

iamtony

TheBoyConor wrote: »

What a load of bull. That video was made and he was biased because he knew which tyres were where on the car so that means he may, even unconciously, have behaved different at the wheel because he knew what the expected handling "should" be.

By right neither the driver nor whoever was watching the test or looking at the results should have known what tyres were on the car at any stage. Flawed science.

It is all scaremongering to con soccer dads into spending big money on tyres.

Anyway, I've been driving for 15 years on spruious tyres, of dubious origin, often found or salvaged for free in scrap yards and i've never lost control or crahsed.

I was thinking the exact same think. Unless your an idiot and pushing your car to the limit all day everyday nobody would feel the difference in 99% of situations.
Ive used good tyres bad tyres new tyres part warn and the only time I've noticed a drop in performance was when the tyres were beyond the wear indicators.
I've also drove on proper slicks and rain tyres in Motorsport so I know a bit about them and how they should feel.

OPollo

iamtony wrote: »

I was thinking the exact same think. Unless your an idiot and pushing your car to the limit all day everyday nobody would feel the difference in 99% of situations.
Ive used good tyres bad tyres new tyres part warn and the only time I've noticed a drop in performance was when the tyres were beyond the wear indicators.
I've also drove on proper slicks and rain tyres in Motorsport so I know a bit about them and how they should feel.

Unless you drive in a city only and daily...
Wait till u see some icy and snowy conditions and if you dont change your mind, i dont want to drive in front of you

Now back to your local experience, dem seems like you had NONE, again, you didnt mention anything about your driving habits and hazards surrounding you.

Millions of people felt into a tyre scam you saying

Well ... just relax

iamtony

OPollo wrote: »

Unless you drive in a city only and daily...
Wait till u see some icy and snowy conditions and if you dont change your mind, i dont want to drive in front of you

Now back to your local experience, dem seems like you had NONE, again, you didnt mention anything about your driving habits and hazards surrounding you.

Millions of people felt into a tyre scam you saying

Well ... just relax

What I'm saying is if you drive correctly to suit the road conditions and slow enough to stop if you hit ice and leave enough distance from hazards on the rare occasion in Ireland when this actually is a factor, then you should be grand on all season tyres.
People will bit these tyres and then justify the the purchase by saying if I didn't have these winter tyres I wouldn't of been able to stop their bit that bull because you probably would have and the only way to know would be a back to back test.
I've had my car spin on roundabouts in I've, I've also slid off the road into a bank on black ice. I've been in a car crash in the snow and these were all lessons learned and now I drive with caution rather than relying on a tyre which might make the grip slightly better or worse but isn't really going to save you. Winter tyres mostly grip better in the cold, below 7 degrees I think bit when your talking snow and black ice do you really think they make a difference? A bit of a better thread pattern that just gets blocked in snow in seconds?

grogi

iamtony wrote: »

What I'm saying is if you drive correctly to suit the road conditions and slow enough to stop if you hit ice and leave enough distance from hazards on the rare occasion in Ireland when this actually is a factor, then you should be grand on all season tyres.

Please don't bring the term 'All-Season Tyre' to this discussion if you don't understand it fully

In Europe tyres marked as All-Season are more than adequate for winter conditions. Have a look at the AutoBild test. http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2019-Auto-Bild-SUV-All-Season-Tyre-Test.htm

In dry and wet conditions, the premium summer tyre is marginally better than all-seasons and winter tyres. The gap will be wider in performance applications, but in everyday driving there will be hardly any difference. In snow however, the winter tyre and quality all-season tyres are very close, but summer tyre is miles behind. In typical usage of mummy wagon in our climate it makes more sense to drive year long on winter tyres than summer ones...


In US market the All-season means something different. I honestly doin't know what the difference between Americal All-Season and Summer is.

iamtony

grogi wrote: »

Please don't bring the term 'All-Season Tyre' to this discussion if you don't understand it fully

In Europe tyres marked as All-Season are more than adequate for winter conditions. Have a look at the AutoBild test. http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2019-Auto-Bild-SUV-All-Season-Tyre-Test.htm

In dry and wet conditions, the premium summer tyre is marginally better than all-seasons and winter tyres. The gap will be wider in performance applications, but in everyday driving there will be hardly any difference. In snow however, the winter tyre and quality all-season tyres are still very close.


In US market the All-season means something different. I honestly doin't know what the difference between Americal All-Season and Summer is.

Ok I meant the normal tyres we get sold in Ireland everyday of the week, which used to be referred to as all season tyres anyway maybe now they call them summer tyres I dunno and it's besides my point.
The test proves what I was saying that on snow or ice you wouldn't notice the difference unless back to back testing or rally driving or something.
And for the original question op I've had winter tyres on one axle and I never got oversteer or understeer because I would never push a tyre to these limits as most people wouldnt, if your car is going to under or oversteer on ice or snow there's very little the tyres are going to do for you at that stage.

grogi

iamtony wrote: »

Ok I meant the normal tyres we get sold in Ireland everyday of the week, which used to be referred to as all season tyres anyway maybe now they call them summer tyres I dunno and it's besides my point.
The test proves what I was saying that on snow or ice you wouldn't notice the difference unless back to back testing or rally driving or something.
And for the original question op I've had winter tyres on one axle and I never got oversteer or understeer because I would never push a tyre to these limits as most people wouldnt, if your car is going to under or oversteer on ice or snow there's very little the tyres are going to do for you at that stage.

You clearly haven't driven on snow on adequate tyres. The difference is substantial, and the results show it. The braking distance is halved on winter or all season tyres compared to summer tyres.

iamtony

grogi wrote: »

You clearly haven't driven on snow on adequate tyres. The difference is substantial.

Well yeah I have, well not snow tyres. I used to get part won't winter tyres on my old car and drove in snow with them. How would you know the difference with the winter tyres that particular day without back to back testing. It's mostly in the head. Like I said people who pay for them will justify their purchase to themselves without really knowing if the normal tyre would of got them up that hill or stopped or whatever it's impossible to know. And the results are based on extremes so not really applicable to everyday situations.

EagerBeaverton

FWIW the insurance company have no issue with the current setup.

OPollo

iamtony wrote: »

Ok I meant the normal tyres we get sold in Ireland everyday of the week, which used to be referred to as all season tyres anyway maybe now they call them summer tyres I dunno and it's besides my point.
The test proves what I was saying that on snow or ice you wouldn't notice the difference unless back to back testing or rally driving or something.
And for the original question op I've had winter tyres on one axle and I never got oversteer or understeer because I would never push a tyre to these limits as most people wouldnt, if your car is going to under or oversteer on ice or snow there's very little the tyres are going to do for you at that stage.

Im very sorry to tell you that now but what a uber tons of BOLLIX here you typing.
No needs to mislead people if YOU have no experience ?

Overall i highly recommend you to go through their videos to get an adequate understanding of tyres overall. Not everyone is living in a salty big city where you never facing even ice ...
https://youtu.be/A5aMnmekA38

CiniO

iamtony wrote: »

Winter tyres mostly grip better in the cold, below 7 degrees I think bit when your talking snow and black ice do you really think they make a difference? A bit of a better thread pattern that just gets blocked in snow in seconds?

iamtony wrote: »

Ok I meant the normal tyres we get sold in Ireland everyday of the week, which used to be referred to as all season tyres anyway maybe now they call them summer tyres I dunno and it's besides my point.
The test proves what I was saying that on snow or ice you wouldn't notice the difference unless back to back testing or rally driving or something.

This is pure nonsense what you're saying here, and pretty much proves you've never driven on snow on proper winter tyres.
As I said the same bend I would be happy to negotiate at 70km/h on good winter tyres, and would be afraid to go through at 20km/h on summer tyres as very likely that would end up in the ditch.
Difference is huge.

The Rape of Lucretia

iamtony wrote: »

It's mostly in the head. ]



It is. Car people like to be messing with cars. Not changing to winter tyres leaves them liable to be mistaken for non car people, and without something to worry about,or discuss as motoring aficionados.
How much snow do we get in Ireland? How many days are we driving in rain, when summer tyres are better than winter ones?
Winter tyres? Finland, Canada, Iceland, etc.

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CiniO wrote: »

This is pure nonsense what you're saying here, and pretty much proves you've never driven on snow on proper winter tyres.
As I said the same bend I would be happy to negotiate at 70km/h on good winter tyres, and would be afraid to go through at 20km/h on summer tyres as very likely that would end up in the ditch.
Difference is huge.

Taking a bend at 70kph on snow. What are you at. ???