How are landlords getting away with this??

bo0li5eumx12kp

'Splain it to me.

Help me understand.

This dump property, west of Ireland - couldn't swing a cat in there (literally), baltic, no proper insulation - I wouldn't put my dog in there.

Horrible horrible place.

700 big ones.

This is not Dublin.

This is not some overpopulated metropolis.

This is some backwater town in the most backwater side to a backwater country (or at least it was until the EU started dumping billions into our economy).

It. is. despicable.

To charge that much for this property.

Housing shortage etc, so they can get away with it.

Be that as it may, that laws allow something like this travesty, they need to be addressed.
Because it's beyond unscrupulous.

And yeah - Eoghan Murphy, minister for housing - I'm talking to you!

The dutch policy is rent cap per specific square footage.
Get on it already.
Otherwise some violated renters might feel inclined to go mob-justice on these unconscionable capitalists/exploiters.


PS - are we allowed to link ads here?
I wish to link the add, name and the shame the landlord - and let ya'll see what a travesty this is.

I viewed the property a couple years back when it was going for 480.
Now pickings are thin and they're charging 700.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Jadiel Salty Bandana wrote: »

'Splain it to me.

Help me understand.

This dump property, west of Ireland - couldn't swing a cat in there (literally), baltic, no proper insulation - I wouldn't put my dog in there.

Horrible horrible place.

700 big ones.

This is not Dublin.

This is not some overpopulated metropolis.

This is some backwater town in the most backwater side to a backwater country (or at least it was until the EU started dumping billions into our economy).

It. is. despicable.

To charge that much for this property.

Housing shortage etc, so they can get away with it.

Be that as it may, that laws allow something like this travesty, they need to be addressed.
Because it's beyond unscrupulous.

And yeah - Eoghan Murphy, minister for housing - I'm talking to you!

The dutch policy is rent cap per specific square footage.
Get on it already.
Otherwise some violated renters might feel inclined to mob-justice on these unconscionable capitalists/exploiters.


PS - are we allowed to link ads here?
I wish to link the add, name and the shame the landlord - and let ya'll see what a travesty this is.

I viewed the property a couple years back when it was going for 480.
Now pickings are thin and they're charging 700.

Cant really comment much when it's a second-opinion with a bit of a rant and no link.

Happy4all

'Splain !!?

enough of a reason to evict.

bizidea

Probably be closer to 2000 big ones if it was in dublin its a bargain grab it with both hands

bo0li5eumx12kp

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Cant really comment much when it's a second-opinion with a bit of a rant and no link.

https://www.daft.ie/sligo/apartments-for-rent/sligo/john-street-sligo-sligo-1963674/

The photos are taken such as to not convey how small this place is.

See that table crammed against that wall?

That's a reflection of the apartment in its entirety.

emeldc

Isn’t there another thread where you can link ads to hell holes and the likes.

Edit, linked now. Looks ok to me.

bizidea

Looks fine for 680 a month like I said bargain

Stheno

Jadiel Salty Bandana wrote: »

https://www.daft.ie/sligo/apartments-for-rent/sligo/john-street-sligo-sligo-1963674/

The photos are taken such as to not convey how small this place is.

See that table crammed against that wall?

That's a reflection of the apartment in its entirety.

It's a small one bed apartment in Sligo for 680 a month.

What's your problem?
Even someone on full time min wage could afford it

Salary Negotiator

Can’t comment on the insulation but the bathroom and bedroom furniture looks grand.

It does look small but fine for 1 person.

Gumbo

Nothing jumping out at me there. If it’s overpriced then nobody will take it and the LL will have to adjust.

antix80

It looks grand.
Poorly insulated houses are often cheaper to rent and expensive to heat, but it shouldn't be too hard to heat a house that size.

punisher5112

I'll agree it's tiny but it does have a lot of new things.

Of course cheap things but a new shower, toilet is a big plus as some of the absolute sheds we had to live in...

It would be ideal for a single person.

On the price point yes for Sligo it's expensive but in Dublin it would be cheap for example.

Pity it's gotten as bad as it is but is it any wonder when workers are fighting to get a roof when those whom don't get one for life....

Half what you pay goes directly to revenue unless the property is owned by a multinational or hedge fund for example.

trigger26

Looks half decent, I've lived in a lot worse

TheSheriff

Also think this looks ok.... Have lived in much worse for more .

Wesser

at least youd have it to yourself.

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Please post within the standards as set out here.

Sleeper12

Jadiel Salty Bandana wrote:

The photos are taken such as to not convey how small this place is.

It looks clean, modern and well maintained in the photos.

You need to look at some Dublin properties with 30 year old thread bare carpets &and 20 year old White paint turned yellow.

antix80

Sleeper12 wrote: »

It looks clean, modern and well maintained in the photos.

You need to look at some Dublin properties with 30 year old thread bare carpets &and 20 year old White paint turned yellow.

I'd be more worried about mould/damp than cosmetics.. Landlords will usually provide the gallon of paint if you do the monkey work if a coat of paint was the only issue. The cheaper end of the market is usually for ppl looking at price over comfort.

Snotty

So what price do you think would be acceptable for this?

I would prefer for the market to dicate the price, and if we had a functioning market it would dicate the price, but instead we have numerous governments who on one hand still see housing as a revenue stream but on the other hand bring in rent caps that act as a very short term bandaid but ultimately actually increase the problem by stifling new stock.

EmptyTree

Sleeper12 wrote: »

It looks clean, modern and well maintained in the photos.

You need to look at some Dublin properties with 30 year old thread bare carpets &and 20 year old White paint turned yellow.

This. Also, it's bang in the middle of town, nearly couldn't get more central (except for maybe Johnson's Court apartments, and they're only the other side of the road). The price probably is a bit high, but it's not a total rip off either.

Varik

Is there a chance this is some next level subliminal advertising.

I wouldn't mind it, right on top of a load of shops and close to a load of restaurants.

Bdjsjsjs

antix80 wrote: »

I'd be more worried about mould/damp than cosmetics.. Landlords will usually provide the gallon of paint if you do the monkey work if a coat of paint was the only issue. The cheaper end of the market is usually for ppl looking at price over comfort.

You are right that mould is a far more serious issue but mostly mould is caused by tenants not opening windows daily as is required.

That’s one hell of a rant from the op, just shows how important it is to give a link as his rant looks silly now. Looks like a nicely renovated one bed apartment. Small but grand for one person and the price looks grand for town centre apartment.

punisher5112

Bdjsjsjs wrote: »

You are right that mould is a far more serious issue but mostly mould is caused by tenants not opening windows daily as is required.

In the winter we would very rarely open windows and never suffered issues of mould.

In rentals with poor to no insulation we opened the windows daily as we had no other choice even though the house was freezing and the heating cost a fortune.

Apartment we were in had no other options to dry clothes other then on a clothes horse.... Never any mould issue at all.

House we were in we never dried clothes inside and mushrooms and huge mould spores were growing on all the interior walls and even around the windows.

Derek Famous Hamstring

Derek Famous Hamstring wrote: »

That’s one hell of a rant from the op, just shows how important it is to give a link as his rant looks silly now. Looks like a nicely renovated one bed apartment. Small but grand for one person and the price looks grand for town centre apartment.

Looks pretty fresh to me too, not spacious, not decorated to a high standard, but looks clean and nice, in the middle of a reasonably big town, that isn’t bad, it would be at least twice that in a city. Also, a quick look at daft for that area doesn’t show a lot of stock and price for this is in line with others.

Op, by any chance do you live at home?

bo0li5eumx12kp

Dav010 wrote: »

Looks pretty fresh to me too, not spacious, not decorated to a high standard, but looks clean and nice, in the middle of a reasonably big town, that isn’t bad, it would be at least twice that in a city. Also, a quick look at daft for that area doesn’t show a lot of stock and price for this is in line with others.

Op, by any chance do you live at home?

What do mean, "live at home"?

As in, with muh parents?

Wut?

Hell no!!


The point is - this place was going for under 500 just two short years ago.

Ya'll okay with paying almost 7 large for that cramped, cold, dump?


Government revenue.

They're justifying high rents for revenue, without investing that revenue in more housing?

Find a better source of revenue!!

Anyone who conforms to the notion of high rent being okay for greater tax remuneration needs to climb back into reality.

There's a thousand sources of potential tax remuneration, which don't involve leaving ordinary people homeless or in poor living conditions.

bo0li5eumx12kp

Dav010 wrote: »

Looks pretty fresh to me too, not spacious, not decorated to a high standard, but looks clean and nice, in the middle of a reasonably big town, that isn’t bad, it would be at least twice that in a city. Also, a quick look at daft for that area doesn’t show a lot of stock and price for this is in line with others.

Op, by any chance do you live at home?

And hell yeah - there is NOTHING on the market currently - unless you move out to some bog hole.

Other one bed apartments of MUCH higher standard were going for about 650 - up from about 550 two years ago.

This dump going for almost 7 large, up from sub 500.
Tell that's me that's not bleeding the desperate.

If there isn’t much rental property available, why are you surprised that the cost of rental there has risen? Sligo isn’t a RPZ so rental increases are not capped.

To be honest, it’s hard to understand your vitriol towards this. It looks ok and is in the centre of a town with little rental availability, and it seems to be in line with going rate for the area.

Guy:Incognito

Jadiel Salty Bandana wrote: »

'
And yeah - Eoghan Murphy, minister for housing - I'm talking to you!
.

You might be better taking to twitter if you want to talk to him. Hoping he happens upon an anonymous internet forum is inefficient at best.

Jadiel Salty Bandana wrote: »

The point is - this place was going for under 500 just two short years ago.
.

See , theres your issue, the years are getting longer lately.

Jadiel Salty Bandana wrote: »

This dump going for almost 7 large, up from sub 500.
.

Also, if you're going to be playing american gangster, you might want to get the lingo down , jive turkey, 7 large is 7 grand.

ednwireland

you said it yourself pickings are thin. supply and demand. its also a stones throw from the centre of sligo town.

Mic 1972

Looks nice to me, have seen worse in Dublin

bo0li5eumx12kp

Dav010 wrote: »

If there isn’t much rental property available, why are you surprised that the cost of rental there has risen? Sligo isn’t a RPZ so rental increases are not capped.

To be honest, it’s hard to understand your vitriol towards this. It looks ok and is in the centre of a town with little rental availability, and it seems to be in line with going rate for the area.

Pfff - that's the point.

They can, so they do.

Crap rolls down hill.

That don't make it right.

My problem is - it's unjustifiably overpriced; effectively exploitation.

It's not right.
It's wrong.

Does the common man actually need laws in place to know it's not right to steal/rape/murder?

Is it as far gone as that?
No.
Is it on the same spectrum?
Exploitation for personal gain, for no other reason that, they can?

Resoundingly - yes.


Sorry thing is, no one acknowledges their own capitalistic criminality until the law informs them as such.
And the ministers for this country have overlooked this problem for long enough.
What do they need to finally implement something? A road flare up their ass?


Other landlords are charging similar rates again, cause there's a shortage.
And feel entitled/justified in doing so?

....

Shoot them out of a cannon - give them a little perspective on life.

That is how markets work, they are not always fair. Rents were lower a few years ago when supply exceeded demand, now it is the reverse.

I’m conscious that I may be responding to a very young person here, but while you may have a strong social conscience, on this one it may be misplaced, it is not a criminal offence to charge more two years later for the same property as long as regs are followed.

Remember, society owes you nothing.

Gumbo

The ad states €680.
Where is this 7 large coming from???

Iscreamkone

If the rent is too high then tenants will rent elsewhere. End of.

Bikerman2019

Derek Famous Hamstring wrote: »

That’s one hell of a rant from the op, just shows how important it is to give a link as his rant looks silly now. Looks like a nicely renovated one bed apartment. Small but grand for one person and the price looks grand for town centre apartment.

I have to agree. Completely unjustified rant, shown to be such by photos and put into proper context.

ShaneODub

You could *easily* swing a cat in there. No bother.

Guy:Incognito

ShaneODub wrote: »

You could *easily* swing a cat in there. No bother.

But the op said "literally" . Does he literally not mean it to be taken literally?

Op is a cat swinger, he shares a room with a monkey puller, lock up your animals, the homies are back in town.

PostWoke

Jadiel Salty Bandana wrote: »

And yeah - Eoghan Murphy, minister for housing - I'm talking to you!

Yawn. Half the problems in this country regarding housing aren't on him tbh, he's just a scapegoat for ****ty councils. What good are laws if they're ignored? It's illegal for landlords to reject people because they need HAP, they still do.

pinksoir

Lol. I pay that for a 72 sqm flat in Berlin (not including heat, water, and other costs which are 200 p/m on top), 5 mins from the centre on the Ubahn. And the government has just introduced a 5 year rent freeze from 2020 to stop spiralling rents (€500k fine for breach by LL)

Good to know I could get such a sweet place in fecking Sligo for the same money.

Dunno how you can rationalise that kinda crap.

beveragelady

I thought 'large' meant a thousand.
Seven large means seven thousand, doesn't it?

MicktheMan

pinksoir wrote: »

Lol. I pay that for a 72 sqm flat in Berlin (not including heat, water, and other costs which are 200 p/m on top), 5 mins from the centre on the Ubahn. And the government has just introduced a 5 year rent freeze from 2020 to stop spiralling rents (€500k fine for breach by LL)

Good to know I could get such a sweet place in fecking Sligo for the same money.

Dunno how you can rationalise that kinda crap.

Interesting. Is the risk for the landlord the same though, I wonder. What happens in Berlin if:
- the tenant stops paying rent?
- the tenant causes significant damage to the place?

pinksoir

pinksoir wrote: »

Lol. I pay that for a 72 sqm flat in Berlin (not including heat, water, and other costs which are 200 p/m on top), 5 mins from the centre on the Ubahn. And the government has just introduced a 5 year rent freeze from 2020 to stop spiralling rents (€500k fine for breach by LL)

Good to know I could get such a sweet place in fecking Sligo for the same money.

Dunno how you can rationalise that kinda crap.

I’m not sure why you are comparing rents in 2 different markets. Living in Berlin, you know home ownership is extremely low and since the fall of the Berlin Wall, rents in the city are of extremely low by German standards. If you go further East, you would probably get an even bigger apartment for the same price.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2019/oct/22/germany-berlin-cabinet-agree-five-year-rent-freeze

One of the expected knock on effects is that it will put off investment by developers, reducing supply and raising rents in the long term, sound familiar?

antix80

Op.. The solution. Get a mortgage.. Prob 5%.. Buy a site, hire a few builders, and then rent out your A energy rated home for €500. And make sure you don't discriminate when choosing a tenant.

pinksoir

MicktheMan wrote: »

Interesting. Is the risk for the landlord the same though, I wonder. What happens in Berlin if:
- the tenant stops paying rent?
- the tenant causes significant damage to the place?

- You get evicted.
- You have legal action taken against you.

MicktheMan

pinksoir wrote: »

- You get evicted.
- You have legal action taken against you.

So not quite apples to apples comparison then

mrcheez

Jadiel Salty Bandana wrote: »

Pfff - that's the point.

They can, so they do.

Crap rolls down hill.

That don't make it right.

My problem is - it's unjustifiably overpriced; effectively exploitation.

It's not right.
It's wrong.

Does the common man actually need laws in place to know it's not right to steal/rape/murder?

Is it as far gone as that?
No.
Is it on the same spectrum?
Exploitation for personal gain, for no other reason that, they can?

Resoundingly - yes.

This looks and reads like a poem. Is this a modern take on a Haiku?

*turns on jazz and reads aloud*

pinksoir

Dav010 wrote: »

I’m not sure why you are comparing rents in 2 different markets. Living in Berlin, you know home ownership is extremely low and since the fall of the Berlin Wall, rents in the city are of extremely low by German standards. If you go further East, you would probably get an even bigger apartment for the same price.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2019/oct/22/germany-berlin-cabinet-agree-five-year-rent-freeze

One of the expected knock on effects is that it will put off investment by developers, reducing supply and raising rents in the long term, sound familiar?

Yes Berlin is cheap by German standards, and yes home ownership is low here. But we're talking about a box in Sligo here. No way, in any world, is that worth 700 quid. What percentage of an average person's salary in Sligo is that? It's crazy.

It's not just two markets, it's two philosophies on housing. Maybe there's something to be learned.

There's other measures in place to keep rent prices in line in Berlin too (e.g., if your LL is charging over the odds compared to similar properties you are entitled to be paid back the excess and for the rent to be dropped accordingly). But over the last few years prices have been creeping up steadily and the people were up in arms and pressured the gov into doing something.

Rents are cheaper here partly because salaries are lower. The rule that LLs adhere to is that rent is max 30% of net household income. So if rents spiral no one will be able to afford to live here. Something had to be done.

Will freezing rents have knock on effects? Probably. But theres a lot of money to be made here long term on rental income. Maybe the types of investors that want to make a quick buck aren't the type we want in control of our housing stock.

PostWoke

beveragelady wrote: »

I thought 'large' meant a thousand.
Seven large means seven thousand, doesn't it?

Yes.

Technocentral

Dav010 wrote:

I’m not sure why you are comparing rents in 2 different markets. Living in Berlin, you know home ownership is extremely low and since the fall of the Berlin Wall, rents in the city are of extremely low by German standards. If you go further East, you would probably get an even bigger apartment for the same price.

Plus Germans aren't a bunch of greedy bastards like the Irish.

pinksoir

MicktheMan wrote: »

So not quite apples to apples comparison then

But there are extremely strong tenant rights in Berlin, it's very much in favour of the tenant in general. Eviction isn't immediate also, can take up to 6 months and must go through the courts. Costly.

Damage comes out if your deposit. Damage beyond deposit amount can be reclaimed through legal action. Again, costly.

My brother is a LL in Dublin btw, so I know how much if a PITA it is.