unacceptable level of irregular social welfare payments

Eric Cartman

https://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/pensions/one-in-five-state-pensioners-had-payments-cut-by-50-after-being-overpaid-new-report-38548033.html

The state’s spending watchdog has found an unacceptable level of irregular social welfare payments in its annual report.

Even the pensioners are gaming the system. Its time for a serious re-evaluation (downward) of the 20 billion euro noose around our necks that is the welfare state.

fritzelly

Ambiguous reporting, was the audit just on pensions?
Thought the pensioners were always broke

Gatling

fritzelly wrote: »

Ambiguous reporting, was the audit just on pensions?
Thought the pensioners were always broke

Apparently just a sample number were looked into

Quantum Erasure

Underpayments stood at just over 8pc of claims and those identified as underpaid received an average increase of around €30 a week, plus arrears.

not all bad so...

Steve

But, but, Leo said they were saving at least €500M per year of welfare fraud.

Didn't realise this meant from OAP's

Obviously the drug addicts haven't been targeted yet.

:rolleyes:

terrydel

Eric Cartman wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/pensions/one-in-five-state-pensioners-had-payments-cut-by-50-after-being-overpaid-new-report-38548033.html

The state’s spending watchdog has found an unacceptable level of irregular social welfare payments in its annual report.

Even the pensioners are gaming the system. Its time for a serious re-evaluation (downward) of the 20 billion euro noose around our necks that is the welfare state.

Are you on every thread you can find that allows you to spout your poorly educated right wing gibberish? You are a tedious bore of the highest order.

Mod: This poster has been banned. Please stop reporting this post.

Eric Cartman

terrydel wrote: »

Are you on every thread you can find that allows you to spout your poorly educated right wing gibberish? You are a tedious bore of the highest order.

Just trying to wake people up to the waste. Until the government give me a personal exemption from paying any tax, I will continue to oppose most spending. Welfare is the elephant in the room and the black hole of money, so it gets top priority.

smelly sock

Eric Cartman wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/pensions/one-in-five-state-pensioners-had-payments-cut-by-50-after-being-overpaid-new-report-38548033.html

The state’s spending watchdog has found an unacceptable level of irregular social welfare payments in its annual report.

Even the pensioners are gaming the system. Its time for a serious re-evaluation (downward) of the 20 billion euro noose around our necks that is the welfare state.

Concentration camps for Welfare recipients eh? Yet another kick the poor thread

_Kaiser_

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Just trying to wake people up to the waste. Until the government give me a personal exemption from paying any tax, I will continue to oppose most spending. Welfare is the elephant in the room and the black hole of money, so it gets top priority.

Have you ever been on welfare for say a year, not living with parents or from savings... Y'know actually trying to manage on the standard job seekers payment?

It's far from the gravy train you seem to think it is, especially if living outside the city and trying to find a job and pay your bills (which don't just disappear when you lose your job and income) just enough each month to keep them off your back.

Genuine cases of welfare fraud or those who have never legitimately worked should be identified and sanctioned.. No one disagrees with that, but this nonsense that significant numbers of welfare recipients are living it up at "your" expense is tiresome and frankly ridiculous.

terrydel

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Just trying to wake people up to the waste. Until the government give me a personal exemption from paying any tax, I will continue to oppose most spending. Welfare is the elephant in the room and the black hole of money, so it gets top priority.

Become a reit or multinational and you should manage that.
You clearly have no use for roads, hospitals, a police force etc etc. Welfare fraud is a tiny, tiny fraction of the overall budget. The black hole is the bank debt paid to bondholder gamblers they dwarfs the welfare bill. You seem like an utterly horrible individual with not an ounce of empathy for other human beings. Grow up.

terrydel

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Have you ever been on welfare for say a year, not living with parents or from savings... Y'know actually trying to manage on the standard job seekers payment?

It's far from the gravy train you seem to think it is, especially if living outside the city and trying to find a job and pay your bills (which don't just disappear when you lose your job and income) just enough each month to keep them off your back.

Genuine cases of welfare fraud or those who have never legitimately worked should be identified and sanctioned.. No one disagrees with that, but this nonsense that significant numbers of welfare recipients are living it up at "your" expense is tiresome and frankly ridiculous.

Don't bother with him, he spouts this guff on every thread and board he can find. He's not even humorous in doing so.

Eric Cartman

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Have you ever been on welfare for say a year, not living with parents or from savings... Y'know actually trying to manage on the standard job seekers payment?

It's far from the gravy train you seem to think it is, especially if living outside the city and trying to find a job and pay your bills (which don't just disappear when you lose your job and income) just enough each month to keep them off your back.

Genuine cases of welfare fraud or those who have never legitimately worked should be identified and sanctioned.. No one disagrees with that, but this nonsense that significant numbers of welfare recipients are living it up at "your" expense is tiresome and frankly ridiculous.

I moved out of home at 18 and have never received a social welfare payment ever. Wouldnt even know how to apply for it.

This thread is about fraud, but I think the defeinition of fraud is too low, this report identifies 1 in 5 non contributory (didn't work enough) pension recipients gaming the system again for more money. We constantly have stories about us having the most disabled workforce in europe, constantly see rampant fraud, and then we move on to people using welfare money for alcohol, cigarettes, drugs, tattoos, holidays, premium tv packages, tanning beds, betting etc... which I believe should be considered fraud and a criminal offence.

Maybe it wouldnt be such a struggle for those who truly need it if we werent throwing so much money at those who clearly don't. The issue is the terrible return we get for what we put in and the misallocation that allows genuine cases to struggle under the same rules as people like margaret cash and the people who inhabbit almost any pub or bookies at 11am on a tuesday up and down this isle.

smelly sock

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I moved out of home at 18 and have never received a social welfare payment ever. Wouldnt even know how to apply for it.

This thread is about fraud, but I think the defeinition of fraud is too low, this report identifies 1 in 5 non contributory (didn't work enough) pension recipients gaming the system again for more money. We constantly have stories about us having the most disabled workforce in europe, constantly see rampant fraud, and then we move on to people using welfare money for alcohol, cigarettes, drugs, tattoos, holidays, premium tv packages, tanning beds, betting etc... which I believe should be considered fraud and a criminal offence.

Maybe it wouldnt be such a struggle for those who truly need it if we werent throwing so much money at those who clearly don't. The issue is the terrible return we get for what we put in and the misallocation that allows genuine cases to struggle under the same rules as people like margaret cash and the people who inhabbit almost any pub or bookies at 11am on a tuesday up and down this isle.

The terrible return we get? Ah ok. Reopen the laundries and workhouses.

What we get in return is some kind of civil onediance and structure to society. Take the 188 off people and kick them out on the street. See where we end up then.
In the long run for everyone the Welfare system is a good investment.

The like of Margaret Cash will aways exist. Get over it. It use to piss me off but not anymore. Whats the point.

Portsalon

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Have you ever been on welfare for say a year, not living with parents or from savings... Y'know actually trying to manage on the standard job seekers payment?

It's far from the gravy train you seem to think it is, especially if living outside the city and trying to find a job and pay your bills (which don't just disappear when you lose your job and income) just enough each month to keep them off your back.

And what has that load of heart rending drivel got to do with some of the people in receipt of the NON-CONTRIBUTORY OLD AGE PENSION defrauding the State by lying about their means?

Because that's what the review linked above discovered.

terrydel

Portsalon wrote: »

And what has that load of heart rending drivel got to do with some of the people in receipt of the NON-CONTRIBUTORY OLD AGE PENSION defrauding the State by lying about their means?

Because that's what the review linked above discovered.

What's your opinion on reits and institutional property investors paying no tax on their massive profits? Or do you not have one?

thenightman

If you hate the so called welfare state, go live in England. Their social safety has been systematically dismantled under the tory's watch, leading to incredible levels of child poverty (1/3 of all children in poverty) and 4 million people living below the breadline. The disabled have also been targeted as low hanging fruit ready for the picking, half of those living below the breadline in deep poverty/destitution live in a household where someone is disabled.

Shameful, and something I never want to see this country stoop to. Truly frightens me how 'people' like the OP peddle this bile.

Bowlardo

How many years do u need to work to get the pension

Steve

Bowlardo wrote: »

How many years do u need to work to get the pension

It's based on age, currently how much you get is based on how many weeks you paid in.

terrydel

thenightman wrote: »

If you hate the so called welfare state, go live in England. Their social safety has been systematically dismantled under the tory's watch, leading to incredible levels of child poverty (1/3 of all children in poverty) and 4 million people living below the breadline. The disabled have also been targeted as low hanging fruit ready for the picking, half of those living below the breadline in deep poverty/destitution live in a household where someone is disabled.

Shameful, and something I never want to see this country stoop to. Truly frightens me how 'people' like the OP peddle this bile.

Please let them take Eric cartman, Portsalon and the other tory boy bigots. They are welcome to them.

Portsalon

terrydel wrote: »

What's your opinion on reits and institutional property investors paying no tax on their massive profits? Or do you not have one?

Of course I have one! You see, unlike you I don't let Paul Murphy do my thinking for me.

My opinion is that defrauding the Department of Social Welfare is theft and should be punished accordingly, as should tax evasion. Whereas availing of tax exemptions is a legitimate business practice.

Incidentally, unlike your crowd of semi-civilised parasites, I fully supported water charges and would happily have continued to pay them.

Portsalon

Bowlardo wrote: »

How many years do u need to work to get the pension

You don't need to work for a single day in your life to get the NON-CONTRIBUTORY State Pension.

To get the CONTRIBUTORY State pension, you currently need to have paid PRSI for at least 10 years.

Eric Cartman

Portsalon wrote: »

You don't need to work for a single day in your life to get the NON-CONTRIBUTORY State Pension.

To get the CONTRIBUTORY State pension, you currently need to have paid PRSI for at least 10 years.

How any able bodied person makes it to retirement without that is beyond me.

terrydel

Portsalon wrote: »

Of course I have one! You see, unlike you I don't let Paul Murphy do my thinking for me.

My opinion is that defrauding the Department of Social Welfare is theft and should be punished accordingly, as should tax evasion. Whereas availing of tax exemptions is a legitimate business practice.

Incidentally, unlike your crowd of semi-civilised parasites, I fully supported water charges and would happily have continued to pay them.

Thanks for resorting to your usual bigotry to try (miserably) to get your point across. It took only one post.
You are beneath contempt.

Portsalon

terrydel wrote: »

Thanks for resorting to your usual bigotry to try (miserably) to get your point across. It took only one post.
You are beneath contempt.

You're very welcome.

I'm delighted to see that my answer didn't conform to your somewhat distorted view of the world. Indeed, had you approved of it, I would have been deeply worried.

terrydel

Portsalon wrote: »

You're very welcome.

I'm delighted to see that my answer didn't conform to your somewhat distorted view of the world. Indeed, had you approved of it, I would have been deeply worried.

I'm just laughing at the pathetic bigot you are. Its hilarious.

Portsalon

terrydel wrote: »

I'm just laughing at the pathetic bigot you are. Its hilarious.

Presumably this week's new words at adult literacy class were "pathetic" and "bigot" - well done, you managed to get them both into the same sentence! Teacher will be very pleased.

But where did you learn "hilarious"?

terrydel

Portsalon wrote: »

Presumably this week's new words at adult literacy class were "pathetic" and "bigot" - well done, you managed to get them both into the same sentence! Teacher will be very pleased.

But where did you learn "hilarious"?

It's very easy to get those words into a sentence describing you! You do all the work. Its an open goal.

Eric Cartman

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Until the government give me a personal exemption from paying any tax, I will continue to oppose most spending.

Why are you still here?

Eric Cartman

Deleted User wrote: »

Why are you still here?

dont have the million quid to invest in guernsey to get citizenship yet.

Ian OB

Eric Cartman wrote: »

This thread is about ..... pension recipients gaming the system again for more money..... people using welfare money for alcohol, cigarettes, drugs, tattoos, holidays, premium tv packages, tanning beds, betting etc....

1) Why would anyone want to game the system for less money?

2) Regardless of whether or not they deserve the money from the Dept of Social Welfare, once they have it, surely it is theirs to spend as they see fit? Or should they only receive tokens/vouchers which can only be redeemed in certain outlets against specified products?

Rodin

Hardly surprising.
The social welfare gravy train in this country has far too many carriages.

Idbatterim

thenightman wrote: »

If you hate the so called welfare state, go live in England. Their social safety has been systematically dismantled under the tory's watch, leading to incredible levels of child poverty (1/3 of all children in poverty) and 4 million people living below the breadline. The disabled have also been targeted as low hanging fruit ready for the picking, half of those living below the breadline in deep poverty/destitution live in a household where someone is disabled.

Shameful, and something I never want to see this country stoop to. Truly frightens me how 'people' like the OP peddle this bile.

Right. Well that’s where Many workers here are dragged. Near poverty. But they break their balls for it. The welfare lifers , guaranteed income. No commute. No boss etc. I’ve such empathy for them on the worlds most generous and dysfunctional welfare system. Working poor effected by the scandalous fifty percent marginal rate of tax. Any all the meeja here care about is “de vulnerable “ do one and stand on your own feet like the rest of us you bottom feeders !

Rodin

Ian OB wrote: »

1) Why would anyone want to game the system for less money?

2) Regardless of whether or not they deserve the money from the Dept of Social Welfare, once they have it, surely it is theirs to spend as they see fit? Or should they only receive tokens/vouchers which can only be redeemed in certain outlets against specified products?

The latter.

Idbatterim

thenightman wrote: »

If you hate the so called welfare state, go live in England. Their social safety has been systematically dismantled under the tory's watch, leading to incredible levels of child poverty (1/3 of all children in poverty) and 4 million people living below the breadline. The disabled have also been targeted as low hanging fruit ready for the picking, half of those living below the breadline in deep poverty/destitution live in a household where someone is disabled.

Shameful, and something I never want to see this country stoop to. Truly frightens me how 'people' like the OP peddle this bile.

So where are the Tories on the political spectrum. I mean fg are allegedly to the right. So are the tories far right ? Fg who preside over an outrageous welfare state. Fg who bleed high earners dry here on income taxes compared to out European peers? That fg?

Ballso

terrydel wrote: »

Are you on every thread you can find that allows you to spout your poorly educated right wing gibberish? You are a tedious bore of the highest order.

This is his life. Sad really.

US2

I'm all for helping people who can't work, but it should be completely cashless. You get the rent and electricity paid and voucher for food. That wouldn't be long about getting the smokers and drinkers back to work. All benefits should be cut completely after 12 months unless in a deep recession.

I was on the dole for two years and counted my blessings every day, free weed and a night out every week.

Mongfinder General

Idbatterim wrote: »

So where are the Tories on the political spectrum. I mean fg are allegedly to the right. So are the tories far right ? Fg who preside over an outrageous welfare state. Fg who bleed high earners dry here on income taxes compared to out European peers? That fg?

FG has always done this. Every government they were in slaughtered the paye employed. Income tax. Rates of 65% in the 1980’s. Not once did they cut welfare - the IMF recommended small cuts and labour took the fall.

road_high

Idbatterim wrote: »

So where are the Tories on the political spectrum. I mean fg are allegedly to the right. So are the tories far right ? Fg who preside over an outrageous welfare state. Fg who bleed high earners dry here on income taxes compared to out European peers? That fg?

Sadly all Irish parties are high/extravagant welfare parties paid for by high taxes- so much for Leo “rewarding” workers. This was the opportune time to slash welfare and force the spongers into work. He chose to continue the status quo. When you hear that state advertising to encourage parents to avail of a beck to school allowance you know you’re living in a welfare statelet. No such thing as budgeting, parental responsibility or putting a bit by. I was in school in the poor early 90s period and I certainly don’t think this was a thing perhaps only for the very genuinely needy

sk8erboii

terrydel wrote: »

Are you on every thread you can find that allows you to spout your poorly educated right wing gibberish? You are a tedious bore of the highest order.

Honestly think certain boards ie posters are paid to do this. Cant imagine anyone writing about any political sh*te every day of the week for free.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Just trying to wake people up to the waste. Until the government give me a personal exemption from paying any tax, I will continue to oppose most spending. Welfare is the elephant in the room and the black hole of money, so it gets top priority.

Right... that’s not going to happen - why would it? - so you’re going “oppose most spending”? That makes the kind of sense that doesn’t. Don’t you realise how petulant you sound?

mcmoustache

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Right... that’s not going to happen - why would it? - so you’re going “oppose most spending”? That makes the kind of sense that doesn’t. Don’t you realise how petulant you sound?

Like the last guy to buy a round for the group moaning about how unfair it is? Even though he accepted a beer from everyone else up to that point?

US2

mcmoustache wrote: »

Like the last guy to buy a round for the group moaning about how unfair it is? Even though he accepted a beer from everyone else up to that point?

Terrible analogy. More like the barman charges him 6 euro a pint to pay for the alcoholic who never has money but drinks an equal amount of pints as everyone else

Necro

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Right... that’s not going to happen - why would it? - so you’re going “oppose most spending”? That makes the kind of sense that doesn’t. Don’t you realise how petulant you sound?

Username checks out then.

Accurate representation of OP complaining about the 'gubberment':

marieholmfan

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I moved out of home at 18 and have never received a social welfare payment ever. Wouldnt even know how to apply for it.

Still living off mam and dad eh?

marieholmfan

sk8erboii wrote: »

Honestly think certain boards ie posters are paid to do this. Cant imagine anyone writing about any political sh*te every day of the week for free.

the poor man is obviously a shut in.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

mcmoustache wrote: »

Like the last guy to buy a round for the group moaning about how unfair it is? Even though he accepted a beer from everyone else up to that point?

Indeed. Does the OP think he has in no way benefitted from taxation?

US2 wrote: »

Terrible analogy. More like the barman charges him 6 euro a pint to pay for the alcoholic who never has money but drinks an equal amount of pints as everyone else

No, his analogy makes sense. Everyone here has benefitted from taxation, just like everyone involved in a round benefits. Each round won’t be exactly the same usually, reflecting that not everyone benefits quite equally. But everyone still does benefit.

Now your analogy, on the other hand, doesn’t work. The prices set in pubs don’t factor in subsidisation of any punter. And moochers aren’t tolerated for long in rounds. It makes no sense at all as an parallel.

Graces7

still trying to work out how accidental overpayment morphed into fraud?

Wanderer78

Take in the roads, they're of no use anymore, next.....

Tokyo

Mod: Can we cut out the childish bickering? IF you cant' play the ball and not the man, then you shouldn't be posting.

terrydel

Idbatterim wrote: »

Right. Well that’s where Many workers here are dragged. Near poverty. But they break their balls for it. The welfare lifers , guaranteed income. No commute. No boss etc. I’ve such empathy for them on the worlds most generous and dysfunctional welfare system. Working poor effected by the scandalous fifty percent marginal rate of tax. Any all the meeja here care about is “de vulnerable “ do one and stand on your own feet like the rest of us you bottom feeders !

Another bigoted twat. Seriously boards.ie, how do you let this kind of ignorant nonsense to be posted?

Wanderer78

terrydel wrote:

Another bigoted twat. Seriously boards.ie, how do you let this kind of ignorant nonsense to be posted?

It ll be interesting to see what jobs these folks pick up while retired