Triton Novel SR Silent Power Shower

Sleeper12

Triton Novel SR Silent Power Shower is the replacement for the Triton AS2000XT. It is the first ever silent power shower. I thought I'd post a short video showing how silent it actually is. It uses the same type of motor from the Triton T90SR silent shower. The T90SR is out over Three years now & it's motor has proven to be the most reliable shower motor we have ever seen. After installing thousands of these I am genuinely stunned that there hasn't been a single issue with the motor. You would expect one in every hundred or so to act up in the first three years & this would be the case with all previous shower motors but not a single one has been reported to us.



The entire Triton AS2000XT has been improved. Not a single part from the AS200XT fits into the Triton Novel SR. This shower launched only a few weeks ago so it's too early to say how good or bad the design is but I can vouch for the motor. Maybe over time members will post their experience of the shower here. In the meantime see how quiet this shower really is.

wing52

Thermostat only or can you get a manual?

Sleeper12

wing52 wrote: »

Thermostat only or can you get a manual?

That question blindsided me. Thermostatic only AFAIK. We haven't installed a manual shower in 15 years or more. Price difference is usually around 10 euro yet thermostatic is far superior. I can't think of a reason of installing a manual shower in a home that meets all the plumbing regulations TBH

irelandspurs

Do you think it would be an easy replacement for mira vigour when mine goes which it will i'm sure first one only lasted 3 years.

Sleeper12

irelandspurs wrote:

Do you think it would be an easy replacement for mira vigour when mine goes which it will i'm sure first one only lasted 3 years.

The hot & cold will need to be swapped around. If pipes are loose in the wall then not a big deal.

micawber

I'm looking to replace this (pic attached). Model name is 1500 xt thermostatic but no brand name that I can see.
Would this Triton model be an easy replacement?

Sleeper12

micawber wrote:

I'm looking to replace this (pic attached). Model name is 1500 xt thermostatic but no brand name that I can see. Would this Triton model be an easy replacement?

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micawber

I'm looking to replace this (pic attached). Model name is 1500 xt thermostatic but no brand name that I can see.
Would this Triton model be an easy replacement?

Sleeper12

micawber wrote:

I'm looking to replace this (pic attached). Model name is 1500 xt thermostatic but no brand name that I can see. Would this Triton model be an easy replacement?

The pipework would need to be altered for the Triton. The pipes on that aren't side by side like the Triton. They are on top of each other. If pipes are copper then wall needs opening. If pipes are qualpex it might be easier.

The direct replacement for that is a Bristan 1500 (hydropower I think)

micawber

Thanks. Not anxious to go down the knocking holes and having to find replacement tiles.
Have shower for over 12 yrs. Is the latest version anyway decent?
If so all I need is to find a decent installer.. 🀔

Sleeper12

micawber wrote:

Thanks. Not anxious to go down the knocking holes and having to find replacement tiles. Have shower for over 12 yrs. Is the latest version anyway decent? If so all I need is to find a decent installer.. ðŸ€â€

A decent installer should be able to alter pipe work and hide the hole behind the shower or another option is to attack it on the other side of wall.

micawber

Thanks that's helpful.
Any opinions on the Bristan? Our current one has given great service. Still working but leaking from inside unit so flow reduced significantly

Sleeper12

micawber wrote:

Thanks that's helpful. Any opinions on the Bristan? Our current one has given great service. Still working but leaking from inside unit so flow reduced significantly

They are OK ish. Same sort of price as the triton novel SR or mira vigour thermostatic but very basic. The main difference is the volume of the motor compared to the triton.

micawber

Again thanks.
Now just have to decide whether easier and so cheaper direct replacement better than quieter but messier switch to Triton..

vicadd

From an install perspective, is this a direct replacement for AS2000XT without the need to drill new holes for shower or riser? Have my AS2000XT just over 3 years now and gets used at 2-3 times a day, no issues yet but expect it will need replacing by this model at some stage.

Sleeper12

vicadd wrote: »

From an install perspective, is this a direct replacement for AS2000XT without the need to drill new holes for shower or riser? Have my AS2000XT just over 3 years now and gets used at 2-3 times a day, no issues yet but expect it will need replacing by this model at some stage.

The new shower pole should match up with your old pole but the shower itself is different. The plumbing & electrics are in the same place & it covers the old footprint. The screw holes are in totally different places. On the AS2000 the top & left screw hole could be problematic if tiler left too big a hole. They have sorted this issue by providing a choice of 4 screw holes. You don't need to use all 4 but it's great to have a choice of where to drill

1641

How feasible or difficult would it be to replace an Aqualisa Aquastream with this ? Thanks.

Sleeper12

1641 wrote:

How feasible or difficult would it be to replace an Aqualisa Aquastream with this ? Thanks.

Wall needs to be opened to alter pipework and as the aquastream is low voltage it will need to be rewired.

Aquastream is a good shower but way over priced I don't think they are worth any more than 400 / 450. They break as often as showers in the 250 / 300 price bracket.

John_Mc

Is this really a power shower though? The water pressure on any electric shower I've used has always been very very weak.

We've just purchased a house and will be looking to add a power shower so wondering if this is the real deal.

Sleeper12

John_Mc wrote:

Is this really a power shower though? The water pressure on any electric shower I've used has always been very very weak.

This is a power shower & not an electric shower. Electric shower 3 to 4.5 litres of water per minute depending on the time of year.

The definition of a power shower is a shower that puts out at least 10 litres of water per minute. 9.9 litres is not a power shower. This power shower puts out 10 to 14 litres of water per minute and that is determined by the user while in the shower. Most people would be very happy with this shower

An even better shower is a good quality bar mixer with rain head & a 3 bar pump. This is a more expensive set up but it will deliver 20 to 23 litres of water per minute

John_Mc

Sleeper12 wrote: »

This is a power shower & not an electric shower. Electric shower 3 to 4.5 litres of water per minute depending on the time of year.

The definition of a power shower is a shower that puts out at least 10 litres of water per minute. 9.9 litres is not a power shower. This power shower puts out 10 to 14 litres of water per minute and that is determined by the user while in the shower. Most people would be very happy with this shower

An even better shower is a good quality bar mixer with rain head & a 3 bar pump. This is a more expensive set up but it will deliver 20 to 23 litres of water per minute

Thanks very much. Would you usually need to upgrade pipes from cyclinder and tank to provide the 20-23 litres of water a minute?

Sleeper12

John_Mc wrote:

Thanks very much. Would you usually need to upgrade pipes from cyclinder and tank to provide the 20-23 litres of water a minute?

Best practice is to get as close as possible to the shower in 3/4 inch before dropping to half inch. The more elbows used the more you slow the water down. It helps if your cold water tank is raised in the attic rather than sitting on the attic floor.

Word of warning: you can totally drain a full tank of hot water in less than 10 minutes. Not a good idea with teenage daughters in house

earlytobed

@Sleeper
My Mira Elite electric shower needs replacing.

Would it be easy to replace it with a triton T90SR. or should I go for a Mira Elite QT?
Thanks in advance

Sleeper12

earlytobed wrote: »

@Sleeper
My Mira Elite electric shower needs replacing.

Would it be easy to replace it with a triton T90SR. or should I go for a Mira Elite QT?
Thanks in advance

There is a whole thread on how bad the Mira Elite QT is. A Triton T900PI is pretty much a direct replacement for the Mira Elite. Same footprint. 95 percent of the time we can swap Mire Elite for a Triton T90SR without issue. The other 5 percent we can't because of bad tiling jobs. Sometimes no tiles behind the shower at all

John_Mc

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Best practice is to get as close as possible to the shower in 3/4 inch before dropping to half inch. The more elbows used the more you slow the water down. It helps if your cold water tank is raised in the attic rather than sitting on the attic floor.

Word of warning: you can totally drain a full tank of hot water in less than 10 minutes. Not a good idea with teenage daughters in house

How much is that power shower and what would you be looking at for cost of installation?

Thanks in advance

Sleeper12

John_Mc wrote: »

How much is that power shower and what would you be looking at for cost of installation?

Thanks in advance

What power shower? Triton Novel SR? or a bar mixer with dedicated pump?

John_Mc

Sleeper12 wrote: »

What power shower? Triton Novel SR? or a bar mixer with dedicated pump?

I think Triton Novel SR would be enough. You're right about emptying the tank with a single shower!

Sleeper12

John_Mc wrote: »

I think Triton Novel SR would be enough. You're right about emptying the tank with a single shower!

The Triton Novel SR is around 280 euro & I would think a full installation from scratch would be around 600 inc VAT supplied & fitted depending on the layout of the house. You want a genuine invoice for the warranty



I have seen people look for 600 just to replace an electric shower when you could get a full installation for close to that. It's always a good thing to shop around but it's important to compare like with like. You want a legitimate company with good reviews or comes recommended. There are a lot of cowboys out there with beautiful looking websites

massy086

Can I ask how easy would it be to replace a triton as2000xt with a t90sr

Sleeper12

massy086 wrote:

Can I ask how easy would it be to replace a triton as2000xt with a t90sr

You can't replace the as2000xt with a Triton t90sr as such. Install a Triton t90sr would be considered a complete new full installation rather than a replacement. They are two totally different types of showers. The cable feeding your as2000xt runs off a 3amp spur. The cable required for the triton t90sr is going to be one of the biggest cables in your home and has to go back to a 40 amp rcbo at the fuse box.

The Triton Novel SR Silent Running Thermostatic Power Shower is a perfect replacement for your as2000xt though

summerh1ll

Hi
My 15-year-old Triton AquaSensations (AS2000 I think) finally packed in today. From day 1 it howled for a while when it was switched on but it still worked all this time. But now I find myself in the market for a new one.
Is a Triton AS2000SR a direct swap or do the electrics need to be redone as well?

Sleeper12

summerh1ll wrote: »

Hi
My 15-year-old Triton AquaSensations (AS2000 I think) finally packed in today. From day 1 it howled for a while when it was switched on but it still worked all this time. But now I find myself in the market for a new one.
Is a Triton AS2000SR a direct swap or do the electrics need to be redone as well?

Almost a straight swap. Electrics are the same, assuming they were done correctly originally. 30 minute job for a shower replacement company with a little drilling involved. They are a great shower. Best power shower on the market quality wise. Aquastream has a little more pressure but not as reliable

Andy24

Hi Sleeper12, I'm looking at replacing a New Team 3000 that has slow leaks in the inlet valve seals (I'd repair but can't get the parts now) and the Triton Novel SR looks a good choice. I'll use rear inlet entry, but:
- how do you stop water going down the back of the casing and into the wall? The installation manual says "DO NOT tile up to or seal around ANY PART of the unit using silicone sealer", and the installation video shows the hole in the wall just left open
- what do you think of using flexible pipes to get the inlet elbows into position? Again, the manual says "MUST NOT be connected to the inlet supply by a hose-set", but why? I have other pipes awkwardly in the way of getting the existing pipework over to the new position, and going round them with 300mm flexible pipes would be much easier than using lots of copper joints.

Thanks for help.

Sleeper12

Andy24 wrote:

Hi Sleeper12, I'm looking at replacing a New Team 3000 that has slow leaks in the inlet valve seals (I'd repair but can't get the parts now) and the Triton Novel SR looks a good choice. I'll use rear inlet entry, but: - how do you stop water going down the back of the casing and into the wall? The installation manual says "DO NOT tile up to or seal around ANY PART of the unit using silicone sealer", and the installation video shows the hole in the wall just left open - what do you think of using flexible pipes to get the inlet elbows into position? Again, the manual says "MUST NOT be connected to the inlet supply by a hose-set", but why? I have other pipes awkwardly in the way of getting the existing pipework over to the new position, and going round them with 300mm flexible pipes would be much easier than using lots of copper joints.

The correct way to install any power or electric shower is to have the hole in the wall slightly bigger than the thickness of the pipes and cable. Before fitting the cover you should seal the hole with silicone. It doesn't show this in the video but it's the best way to do it... In the real world you might have a 4 or 6 inch hole behind the shower. There are times when you have to ignore the instructions. There are times when you will have to silicone around a shower because it was installed wrong 20 years ago.

Flexis aren't ever a great idea for power or electric showers. The hole inside the flexi usually isn't as big as half inch pipe & as you bend it into shape to fit the shower you make the hole smaller, restricting the flow more & more. A plumber wouldn't need to use them but if you are doing it yourself then you are unlikely to be able to bend copper pipes or solder. If buying Flexis make sure they have a big diameter & make sure you have no kinks in them when fitting the shower. Flexis could void the warranty on the shower. They won't use the Flexis as an excuse to get out of the warranty but if they genuinely feel Flexis restricted to flow & caused the motor to fail then this will not be covered.

Andy24

I have big(!) hole in the stud wall to make good where the New Team 3000 was inset, so I'll see how that goes.

With flexis, I can get 13mm internal diameter and try to minimise the bends, but will see again how difficult it looks in copper at the time - I'm ok with a bit of bending and soldering, but the bends could be 2 or 3 in each pipe and tight. We've always though run the New Team on minimum flow ok (nearly 30 years!), so wouldn't expect to ask the Triton to work hard either.

Andy24

Hi Sleeper12, further quick query if poss. - do you have experience of the Mira Go power shower, and it's pros/cons against the Novel? With its inlets being on the left instead of right it could solve my awkward pipework problem, but I'd only want to use it if all else is about as good as the Novel. Thanks.

Sleeper12

Andy24 wrote:

Hi Sleeper12, further quick query if poss. - do you have experience of the Mira Go power shower, and it's pros/cons against the Novel? With its inlets being on the left instead of right it could solve my awkward pipework problem, but I'd only want to use it if all else is about as good as the Novel. Thanks.

Mira Go 1 years warranty. Triton Novel SR 2 years warranty. Novel is silent and Go isn't. Novel has a better footprint for covering larger holes. Overall the Triton is far better than the Mira. If you are going to fit yourself then the Mira might be easier to fit your setup. If you engage a plumber or shower repair company then they will be able to fit the Triton

Andy24

V. good info - much appreciated again, thanks!

StephenMc2015

This thread is probably dead at this stage, but worth a try, just had the Triton Novel SR shower fitted and the pressure from the shower is weak, is there a way to increase the pressure. The pump sounds as if it’s running but the flow adjustment dial doesn’t seem to have any effect is this a possible problem ? It’s a gravity fed system so should be suitable for this shower unit. Any help would be gratefully received

Sleeper12

StephenMc2015 wrote:

This thread is probably dead at this stage, but worth a try, just had the Triton Novel SR shower fitted and the pressure from the shower is weak, is there a way to increase the pressure. The pump sounds as if it’s running but the flow adjustment dial doesn’t seem to have any effect is this a possible problem ? It’s a gravity fed system so should be suitable for this shower unit. Any help would be gratefully received

About 20 percent of people feel that their new triton or Mira electric shower isn't as powerful as the old one.

You can test it by getting a letre jug, getting the shower running at a warm temperature and see how many times you can fill the litre jug in 60 seconds. This will give you the litre per minute flow rate. Depending on the temperature of the water in the cold water tank I'd be expecting 3.5 to 4 lpm at this time of the year. It can be a little as 3 lpm on a cold frosty morning

John.G

Slight mix up?
That shower (if not the T90 SR) is fed from the DHW cylinder and the CWST and can deliver up to 14 LPM I think. Its a power shower really.
You should get the installer back as there is definitely something wrong there, it may be the installation or the shower itself, can you measure the flow rates turned to fully cold and then fully hot to give you some idea of the flow rates, Sleeper12 will advise you.

Sleeper12

John.G wrote:

Slight mix up? That shower (if not the T90 SR) is fed from the DHW cylinder and the CWST and can deliver up to 14 LPM I think. Its a power shower really. You should get the installer back as there is definitely something wrong there, it may be the installation or the shower itself, can you measure the flow rates turned to fully cold and then fully hot to give you some idea of the flow rates, Sleeper12 will advise you.

Sorry I was responding to two threads at the same time.
Triton novel will put out up to 14 lpm on highest setting and 10 litres on lowest setting. If not getting close to these then it could be slightly airlocked

StephenMc2015

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Sorry I was responding to two threads at the same time.
Triton novel will put out up to 14 lpm on highest setting and 10 litres on lowest setting. If not getting close to these then it could be slightly airlocked

Read through the installation manual and noticed the commissioning switch that’s used during installation let’s a flow through at about 4.5l/min, suspected this wasn’t set to off after commissioning, so opened up the unit to check this and set the switch to off, running fine now

Thanks for the advice and help

New2Dubs

I’ve just ordered a Mira SE Dual on the advice of our plumber. Anyone any experience of it?

John.G

StephenMc2015 wrote: »

Read through the installation manual and noticed the commissioning switch that’s used during installation let’s a flow through at about 4.5l/min, suspected this wasn’t set to off after commissioning, so opened up the unit to check this and set the switch to off, running fine now

Thanks for the advice and help

They have that commissioning switch as well on their pumped electric showers AFAIK, easy to forget.

Sleeper12

New2Dubs wrote:

I’ve just ordered a Mira SE Dual on the advice of our plumber. Anyone any experience of it?

The build quality of the Mira Elite Qt & it's replacement the Mira Elite SE is bad. Cheap plastic drys out & becomes brittle. Shower hose is cheap too. Not chrome and the plastic perishes close to the shower head. Motor or flow valve makes a squeaky noise when you reduce the flow for warmer water.

The Triton T90sr is a far better shower but Mira are the only ones that do a dual head. The rain head is OK considering its an electric shower & only putting out 3 to 4 5 litres per minute. Rain heads usually put out 14 to 20 litres per minute. Rain head ads around 130 euros to the cost of the regular mira elite se

bobbyy gee

some one i know had 3 triton power showers short out after 2 years each

Wearb

bobbyy gee wrote: »

some one i know had 3 triton power showers short out after 2 years each

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Sleeper12

bobbyy gee wrote: »

some one i know had 3 triton power showers short out after 2 years each

Even if they don't mind needlessly replacing showers every two years I strongly suggest they get in a Registered Electrical Contractor to find out what is shorting out 3 separate appliances. There is most likely a wiring issue that could be very dangerous. I mean logic suggests that replacing an appliance again & again suggests an electrical issue & not an appliance issue

John.G

Just as a matter of interest does the pump have two impellers with separate hot & cold or is the mixing done on the inlet side with just one pump impeller.? (seems unlikely) the reason I ask is that all the major pump manufacturers of domestic booster pumps specify that the hot water should not exceed 60/65C otherwise the warranty is voided. Is there also a hot temperature limit specified by Triton for the Novel?.

Sleeper12

John.G wrote: »

Just as a matter of interest does the pump have two impellers with separate hot & cold or is the mixing done on the inlet side with just one pump impeller.? (seems unlikely) the reason I ask is that all the major pump manufacturers of domestic booster pumps specify that the hot water should not exceed 60/65C otherwise the warranty is voided. Is there also a hot temperature limit specified by Triton for the Novel?.

There is a tempeture limit for Triton, mira, Aqualisa etc. I'm pretty sure even bar mixers & cartridge showers have a max tempeture. Anything over 60/65c is going to damage thermostatic cartridge