M50 - Wife hit by bus

CrankyHaus

K.Flyer wrote: »

There are cctv cameras along that stretch of the M50 on the illuminated message gantry.
They should contact M50 facilities on 1800-775050 and ask can they retrieve footage for that time, or guide them to how they might get it.
Depending on the exact location they may not see the impact, but should pick up an image of the bus within a few minutes of it happening where they might get the reg.

Do you know if they record, as opposed to just being used for live traffic information? I've been told by Gardai that they don't.

Do you know if M50 Facilities would give out CCTV footage, particularly so vaguely defined, to anyone who asks? Most organisations say they won't "due to GDPR", which conveniently means they don't have to lift a finger.

Do you know if any CCTV footage can be recovered before it's overwritten on the system, within 28 or even 14 days?

Given the combination of technical issues and human and organisational rigidity and stupidity even perfect CCTV footage is as often lost as not. In any case in the circumstances the best party to chase it down is Gardai.

STB.

The Gardai would request the footage should it exist. "GDPR" issues do not arise. They seek it on a regular basis. The data would be backed up and kept for a limited period of time I would imagine.

Someone driving a bus on the road who clearly cut up another driver resulting in the car being shunted across lanes with damage and then driving off needs to be investigated by them, as they are clearly a danger to other road users.

K.Flyer

CrankyHaus wrote: »

Do you know if they record, as opposed to just being used for live traffic information? I've been told by Gardai that they don't.

Do you know if M50 Facilities would give out CCTV footage, particularly so vaguely defined, to anyone who asks? Most organisations say they won't "due to GDPR", which conveniently means they don't have to lift a finger.

Do you know if any CCTV footage can be recovered before it's overwritten on the system, within 28 or even 14 days?

Given the combination of technical issues and human and organisational rigidity and stupidity even perfect CCTV footage is as often lost as not. In any case in the circumstances the best party to chase it down is Gardai.

You make it sound like they just shouldn't bother.

There is no harm in contacting both of them and pursuing it.

I would imagine that the cctv monitoring is recorded, it would be a bit stupid if it wasn't.
Even if its overwritten after 7 or 14 days, this is a very recent event, so should be easily traced.

Carpentry

UPS uses brown vans and they are cu*ts of a drivers

bobbyss

What would be regarded as driving too slowly on the M50 or any motorway? Is there a law about?

K.Flyer

bobbyss wrote: »

What would be regarded as driving too slowly on the M50 or any motorway? Is there a law about?

The bit in the middle of the road sign... positioned before you go onto the M50.

Carpentry

K.Flyer wrote: »

The bit in the middle of the road sign... positioned before you go onto the M50.

That applies to vehicles not being able to drive over 50 km/h, not drivers that are not willing to go full 100 km/h, if they dont want to.

bobbyss

K.Flyer wrote:

The bit in the middle of the road sign... positioned before you go onto the M50.

OK thanks. That's a sign not a law. Is there a legal minimum that you are allowed to drive under? 70k 80k? Where's it written in law?

Samuel T. Cogley

bobbyss wrote: »

OK thanks. That's a sign not a law. Is there a legal minimum that you are allowed to drive under? 70k 80k? Where's it written in law?

It's not going to be couched in those terms or how could one legally sit in traffic.

Bus left the scene of accident, police should be very interested.

Speed limit 120 there? Are the busses not limited to 90?

bobbyss

Samuel T. Cogley wrote:

It's not going to be couched in those terms or how could one legally sit in traffic.

Thank you. So it seems a grey area of what going slow or too slow is on the motorway. Can you be charged with driving too slowly?

GBX

Deleted User wrote: »

Bus left the scene of accident, police should be very interested.

Speed limit 120 there? Are the busses not limited to 90?

M50 for most part is 100km/h limit.

galwayllm

How you get the guards interested in this is tell them the bus had no tax, then they'll be all over it...

bobbyss

If you are on the M7 two lanes driving along in left lane at 60 or 70k would drivers consider that too slow?

Markcheese

bobbyss wrote: »

If you are on the M7 two lanes driving along in left lane at 60 or 70k would drivers consider that too slow?

Does it matter?

OP, did your wife get back onto the Gardaí?
The bus did leave the scene of an accident (even if it might have been unwittingly)
I'd have though the Gardaí would have very little difficulty in getti g the reg of the bus, (with a description of the bus - the approx time and location)

dashcamdanny

Deleted User wrote: »

Bus left the scene of accident, police should be very interested.

Speed limit 120 there? Are the busses not limited to 90?

Whenever your bus is 15 tonnes and the engine is roaring on a motorway, you simply cant feel or hear minor things. Especially on the rear. You also cant see everything that may be happening on all 4 sides.
Im sure , like every story of a collision, there are 3 sides to the story. Before everyone gets the rope out to hang the bus driver.


Seated none standing buses limit is 100kph on motorway.

CrankyHaus

dashcamdanny wrote: »

Whenever your bus is 15 tonnes and the engine is roaring on a motorway, you simply cant feel or hear minor things. Especially on the rear. You also cant see everything that may be happening on all 4 sides.
Im sure , like every story of a collision, there are 3 sides to the story. Before everyone gets the rope out to hang the bus driver.


Seated none standing buses limit is 100kph on motorway.

Either the driver knowingly fled the scene of the accident or,


Was driving so carelessly and dangerously that he didn't even notice a high speed collision.


Neither is acceptable from any professional driver.

Markcheese

CrankyHaus wrote: »

Either the driver knowingly fled the scene of the accident or,


Was driving so carelessly and dangerously that he didn't even notice a high speed collision.


Neither is acceptable from any professional driver.

No doubt that he left the scene, and shouldn't have, but he may not have known,
Do we have to get on our high horses about it...?
He may or may not have been the cause of the incident...

Alun

GBX wrote: »

M50 for most part is 100km/h limit.

True but on the section in question, i.e. between junctions 15 and 16, it's 120km/h.

Peatys

Eric Cartman wrote: »

If she's going below the speed limit she shouldn't have been in the middle lane....

boards.ie in a nutshell

average_runner

Deleted User wrote: »

Bus left the scene of accident, police should be very interested.

Speed limit 120 there? Are the busses not limited to 90?

If southbound the speed was down to 80k, wednesday last week

Riskymove

Dravokivich wrote: »

GDPR is not what you seem to think it is. Its doesn't relate to private data.

that's not accurate I am afraid

GDPR doesn't define "private data". It does say that GDPR does not apply to

"the processing of personal data by a natural person in the course of a purely personal or household activity;"

However, guidance has issued around that which describes this data as things like keeping a diary of your families appointments etc

To say that GDPR doesn't apply to a private individual is just plain wrong. This idea has popped up on boards a few times.

If you are recording footage via a dashcam you could well be considered a data controller.

The DPC has issued guidance on dashcams

https://www.dataprotection.ie/sites/default/files/uploads/2019-06/190606%20Guidance%20for%20Drivers%20on%20the%20use%20of%20Dash%20Cams.pdf

Yer Da sells Avon

Eric Cartman wrote: »

If she's going below the speed limit she shouldn't have been in the middle lane....

I hope you're not suggesting that slower drivers should hog my undertaking lane.

blackwhite

sdanseo wrote: »

Ah seriously get over it. In a non injury collision that is precisely the correct advise, get out of dodge, get off the motorway, don't become an obstacle either blocking or on the shoulder of a 100km/h+ road unless you absolutely have to. If both vehicles are reasonably undamaged and there are no injuries this is just basic common sense.

Unless there is a need for them Gardaí will not and should not attend RTCs. The damage is a civil matter and their purpose in doing so is the safety of other people - i.e. so that the 100,000 people who managed not to crash that day don't hit the obstruction.

In the US these signs are very common

https://twitter.com/NHPSouthernComm/status/971967243343900674/photo/1

Failing to stop after being involved in a collision is not just a civil matter.

bramblesTitus

Done my NCT (passed) early this morning in NorthPoint near the M50. A single decker brown bus pulled out in front of me. I instantly remembered this thread. Its a Clayton Hotels courtesy bus bringing guests to the airport I imagine. Hope this helps.

STB.

@ OP plenty to pick from (including the previous post mentioned above this)



https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishbuses/with/37986743094/