Circle K chargers

September1

It seems that new M6 service station comes with new Circle K charger, there is only one but 3 marked parking spaces. They are located in different place than Ionity chargers, much closer to the building entrance.

Irishjg

Excellent many thanks for the info and pics. ��

zg3409

So that is 5 fast chargers on the one site. Nissan Leafs cannot use the ionity chargers (CCS only) at least they can use the 1 x Circle K charger. I hope they implement fees on this one soon, or CCS drivers will use the free charger and block leafs from charging, meanwhile the ionity sits idle! Hopefully the circle k fees will be higher than ionity to keep this charger available to chademo users. Interesting times.

JPA

zg3409 wrote: »

So that is 5 fast chargers on the one site. Nissan Leafs cannot use the ionity chargers (CCS only) at least they can use the 1 x Circle K charger. I hope they implement fees on this one soon, or CCS drivers will use the free charger and block leafs from charging, meanwhile the ionity sits idle! Hopefully the circle k fees will be higher than ionity to keep this charger available to chademo users. Interesting times.

Strange thought process.
The faster charging and greater availability should ensure people use Ionity.

Irishjg

I wouldn’t agree with a higher fee on the Circle K Chademo option. The unit will only charge to a max of 50kw and no use to the any of the CCS vehicles. If wouldn’t be fair to lob a higher cost on those who can’t access the Ionity units.

zg3409

Irishjg wrote: »

I wouldn’t agree with a higher fee on the Circle K Chademo option. The unit will only charge to a max of 50kw and no use to the any of the CCS vehicles. If wouldn’t be fair to lob a higher cost on those who can’t access the Ionity units.

The circle k has 50kw CCS for free. (and chademo)

icom

Irishjg wrote: »

I wouldn’t agree with a higher fee on the Circle K Chademo option. The unit will only charge to a max of 50kw and no use to the any of the CCS vehicles. If wouldn’t be fair to lob a higher cost on those who can’t access the Ionity units.

50 Kw CCS would just be perfect for the new Ioniq

September1

You have to pass free charger to reach Ionity, so I guess if it not occupied and car cannot charge above 50kW(or driver is patient) then it would not make sense to proceed to other chargers. They can save 8 euro and perhaps buy some coffee.

McGiver

Is this at Circle K off Athlone?

k123456

McGiver wrote: »

Is this at Circle K off Athlone?

Yes there is a new Circle K east of Athlone, opened last week

niallo32

It's Exit 7 just before Moate (if heading towards Dublin)

ELM327

if it's free (cost wise) then I'd use it over Ionity unless I was in a rush. It's available for everyone, leafs don't get priority.

liamog

September1 wrote: »

You have to pass free charger to reach Ionity, so I guess if it not occupied and car cannot charge above 50kW(or driver is patient) then it would not make sense to proceed to other chargers. They can save 8 euro and perhaps buy some coffee.

Driving the Ioniq, using a high powered charger will save 10 mins compared to a standard 50kW rapid. Given the choice I'd probably use the free charger if it was available. €8 to save 10 mins doesn't seem economical. However if the chargers were occupied then I probably would. €8 to save 40 min seems OK.

September1

Last time I was here there was CCS car charging, so it seems that people would rather keep those 8E or 40c/kWh.

ELM327

ANd this is the problem with free charging

If, like Norway, the 50kW was 25c per min and the 350kW was 35-45c per min I'd use the 350kW unless my car could only take 50kW

Alkers

So am I correct in that there is no AC chargers provided at this site at all?

September1

Alkers wrote: »

So am I correct in that there is no AC chargers provided at this site at all?

I did not notice any, so I think there are none. I think they assumed that AC would be too slow for breaks on motorway and Zoe does not exist.

Black_Knight

liamog wrote: »

Driving the Ioniq, using a high powered charger will save 10 mins compared to a standard 50kW rapid. Given the choice I'd probably use the free charger if it was available. €8 to save 10 mins doesn't seem economical. However if the chargers were occupied then I probably would. €8 to save 40 min seems OK.

Get the maingau card. €8 with ionity gets you a max of about 26kW from empty to 94%. €8 on maingau will get you 20kW. So arriving at the charger with anything over ~23% battery, and you're better off using maingau.

That said, the higher % battery you arrive with, the less time savings you get by paying to use the Ionity chargers.

Black_Knight

September1 wrote: »

HEY! E-CARS! TAKE NOTE! THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE LENGTH OF CABLE!

unkel

Indeed. Pity though none of either Ionity or ESB chargers are properly set out (like how we fill ICE cars). We have perfected this for nearly 100 years. Fuel filler cap (charge point) should be at the rear side either left or right. And charger should be either left or right. Not a bloody parking space :rolleyes:

Why some eejits decided to not follow this best practice is beyond me. I guess not the ESB is to blame here but the manufacturers of early EVs who decided the charge port should be at the front middle of the car. Like Nissan and Renault. That said, 10 years on now, Ionity should have known better.

unkel

This is how it should be done



You won't get any muppets ICEing the chargers then either. Same as you don't get anyone blocking up of spaces at fuel pumps. Everyone instinctively knows those are not parking spaces

liamog

Black_Knight wrote: »

Get the maingau card. €8 with ionity gets you a max of about 26kW from empty to 94%. €8 on maingau will get you 20kW. So arriving at the charger with anything over ~23% battery, and you're better off using maingau.

That said, the higher % battery you arrive with, the less time savings you get by paying to use the Ionity chargers.

I use the Newmotion app. Unlimited Ionity charging for €7.60 and it can also start the eCars chargers.

this.lad

liamog wrote: »

I use the Newmotion app. Unlimited Ionity charging for €7.60 and it can also start the eCars chargers.

Is there a transaction fee per use with newmotion? I looked at it before and seem to remember that unless you were a heavy user you'd be crippled with fees?

The unit cost with the maingau would still be better of you were carrying any bit of charge though i think anyway?

Irishjg

liamog wrote: »

I use the Newmotion app. Unlimited Ionity charging for €7.60 and it can also start the eCars chargers.

Will the new motion app allow you to activate an esb charging point that has a faulty screen and can’t reed your card ? It can be a right pain in the arse having to call the esb most of the time to get them to activate it remotely

Mickeroo

Irishjg wrote: »

Will the new motion app allow you to activate an esb charging point that has a faulty screen and can’t reed your card ? It can be a right pain in the arse having to call the esb most of the time to get them to activate it remotely

You can do that with the Bosch Charge My EV app.

liamog

No transaction fee that I've seen.

I really like the way NewMotion show predicted charging costs. I'm in France at the moment and there is a multi rapid charge with a per minute charge.

This also gives a great example of why I believe per minute charges make sense, nobody is going to dream of blocking that AC connector with a PHEV!

unkel

Mickeroo wrote: »

You can do that with the Bosch Charge My EV app.

Start an ESB eCars session on a dodgy EFACEC triple head with the notorious card reader problem?

If so, that's handy to know!

unkel

unkel wrote: »

Start an ESB eCars session on a dodgy EFACEC triple head with the notorious card reader problem?

If so, that's handy to know!

So it worked!

Coming back from a customer I had a few minutes to kill before picking up my daughter from school. At that very moment I drove past the Lucan fast charger and lo and behold nobody was charging :eek: Apart from a local in a B-class hogging the fast AC :rolleyes:

So started the charge via the app on my phone, plugged in the cable and it worked. Stopping through the app worked also. I even got emailed a PDF invoice a few minutes after I finished (zero value)

Irishjg

I must give it a go myself over the weekend. I’ve downloaded the app onto my phone.

ELM327

unkel wrote: »

So it worked!

Coming back from a customer I had a few minutes to kill before picking up my daughter from school. At that very moment I drove past the Lucan fast charger and lo and behold nobody was charging :eek: Apart from a local in a B-class hogging the fast AC :rolleyes:

So started the charge via the app on my phone, plugged in the cable and it worked. Stopping through the app worked also. I even got emailed a PDF invoice a few minutes after I finished (zero value)

So you decided to make it two local hoggers :D:D

charlieIRL

Could it be that new EV/PHEV buyers are not being correctly informed at purchase on how to use public charging points? Or what point to use or etiquette?

Hands up, I honestly haven’t a clue how to use one and haven’t used one yet. I’ve only used the one here at work. I’m meeting up with a fellow EV user over the weekend and I’ll probably fry his head with questions but at least when I do need to use one, I’ll know how to.

Maybe that B class driver was just told use anyone that’s available and the plugged into the one closest to where they parked??

I’d love to have even a small simple leaflet of the do’s and don’t of public charging

ELM327

The b class has no DC and charges on 3 phase AC, either 11kW or 22kW depending on spec.
I wouldnt call it hogging.

AhHaor

I really think people should be required to watch a video and do simple online quiz before ESB card sent out. There's a lot of carry on out there, but a lot of it is ignorance rather than being a dick. And it'll only get worse

kaahooters

AhHaor wrote: »

I really think people should be required to watch a video and do simple online quiz before ESB card sent out. There's a lot of carry on out there, but a lot of it is ignorance rather than being a dick. And it'll only get worse

on the esb charging map, when you click on the charge point, or hover over it, it has an option to watch an instructional video, is this what youd like?

ELM327

kaahooters wrote: »

on the esb charging map, when you click on the charge point, or hover over it, it has an option to watch an instructional video, is this what youd like?

But it's not a requirement to get the card

Silent Running

ELM327 wrote: »

So you decided to make it two local hoggers :D:D

He's doing valuable technical research. :P:P

Irishjg

I’ve never owed a Phev only ever had BEV but as far as I know the outlander only has either chademo or type 1 so at a triple point rapid DC point they have no option but to take up the chademo plug. They can’t use the type 2. This obviously is a pain in the arse for someone waiting for chademo/CCS and a guy sitting there with 5 gallons of liquified bones in his fuel tank. Etiquette surely must come into play in those instances or dare I say a bit of common sense

kaahooters

Irishjg wrote: »

I’ve never owed a Phev only ever had BEV but as far as I know the outlander only has either chademo or type 1 so at a triple point rapid DC point they have no option but to take up the chademo plug. They can’t use the type 2. This obviously is a pain in the arse for someone waiting for chademo/CCS and a guy sitting there with 5 gallons of liquified bones in his fuel tank. Etiquette surely must come into play in those instances or dare I say a bit of common sense

Etiquette, it can only be first come first served.

KCross

Irishjg wrote: »

I’ve never owed a Phev only ever had BEV but as far as I know the outlander only has either chademo or type 1 so at a triple point rapid DC point they have no option but to take up the chademo plug. They can’t use the type 2. This obviously is a pain in the arse for someone waiting for chademo/CCS and a guy sitting there with 5 gallons of liquified bones in his fuel tank. Etiquette surely must come into play in those instances or dare I say a bit of common sense

There is no such thing as etiquette in rapid charging use. Just everyones opinion of what is and is not "allowed" or acceptable behavior.

If you can plug in and hog it then that's your right. Expecting etiquette to help you along your journey is being naive and destined to disappoint you at some point!

The same will be true when charging for charging comes in depending on how they frame the charges... time or kWh based or a combination of both.
You could find that its kWh based charging and so people will still hog it simply because they can but it will hopefully drive the locals off the network but that will be countered by the exponential rise in EV's using the network so its hard to see how that will actually play out.

rolion

liamog wrote: »

This also gives a great example of why I believe per minute charges make sense, nobody is going to dream of blocking that AC connector with a PHEV!

Irishjg wrote: »

I’ve never owed a Phev only ever had BEV but as far as I know the outlander only has either chademo or type 1 so at a triple point rapid DC point they have no option but to take up the chademo plug. They can’t use the type 2. This obviously is a pain in the arse for someone waiting for chademo/CCS and a guy sitting there with 5 gallons of liquified bones in his fuel tank. Etiquette surely must come into play in those instances or dare I say a bit of common sense

I own a PHEV and i am very proud of driving 40km a day emission free with a minimum cost.
Using public chargers and it works fine.

For anyone that sees a black PHEv plugged in, i highly recomend stay away and dont get involved in any type of conversations on "charging etiquette" please.

AhHaor

kaahooters wrote: »

on the esb charging map, when you click on the charge point, or hover over it, it has an option to watch an instructional video, is this what youd like?

No, that's an instructional video on using the charger, and while thats not a bad thing, it's the issue of people not realising they're being d1cks. Eg most don't have a clue about charge throttling above 80% in leaf etc. Stuff like that should be included.

kaahooters

AhHaor wrote: »

No, that's an instructional video on using the charger, and while thats not a bad thing, it's the issue of people not realising they're being d1cks. Eg most don't have a clue about charge throttling above 80% in leaf etc. Stuff like that should be included.

is that not included in the car documentation?

k123456

One way to reduce hogging, is for charger to stop the charge at 80%

KCross

k123456 wrote: »

One way to reduce hogging, is for charger to stop the charge at 80%

80% is too arbitrary.

Depending on battery temp the car could be throttling long before that and you cant have a scenario where someone is plugging in and getting auto disconnected that then doesnt allow them to complete their journey or forces them to make another stop they hadnt planned.

The only real solution is more chargers (like we have petrol pumps today). You put as little or as much as you like into the car and it doesnt affect anyone else as there are plenty chargers available. Thats the only real long term solution... unfortunately its going to take time.

Introducing charging for charging will get rid of the locals and thats about it. We still need a halluva more chargers installed.

eddhorse

Not much to do with charging etiquette really.
If you think some people park in parking bays for people with disabilities when they have no right to do so also. If they dont care about the disabled then they are not going to care about you and your fancy electric juice machine.

listermint

rolion wrote: »

I own a PHEV and i am very proud of driving 40km a day emission free with a minimum cost.
Using public chargers and it works fine.

For anyone that sees a black PHEv plugged in, i highly recomend stay away and dont get involved in any type of conversations on "charging etiquette" please.

But i thought your Solar is free ?

dloob

I was at the Athlone Circle K last night.
The CCS side of the circle k charger has a pump out of order sign wrapped around it.
Maybe a vengeful leaf driver got at it.

Black_Knight

rolion wrote: »

I own a PHEV and i am very proud of driving 40km a day emission free with a minimum cost.
Using public chargers and it works fine.

For anyone that sees a black PHEv plugged in, i highly recomend stay away and dont get involved in any type of conversations on "charging etiquette" please.

The short version :P

liamog

rolion wrote: »

For anyone that sees a black PHEv plugged in, i highly recomend stay away and dont get involved in any type of conversations on "charging etiquette" please.

I'm not particularly interested in lecturing people at chargers about etiquette. I'd much rather we just price out anti social behaviour as they do in Norway. As far as I'm concerned any car charging at fractions of the capacity of the charger is anti social behaviour. It doesn't matter whether you have a PHEV or are plugging a Leaf into the Type 2 connector instead of the CHAdeMO.

kanuseeme

very easy problem to fix, install chargers with lower capacity, which would be less expensive, so more can be installed.

when that happens no more anti social behaviour,

With your concern for the present capacity of chargers, at some stage there will be better cars with super duper charging rates and all other users will have to listen to the same crap over and over again.

liamog

That's exactly my thinking.

Charge 25c/min on the 50kW charger, 50c/min on the 150kW charger and have both available at a site.
I prefer to design a system that encourages correct behaviour instead of relying on so called etiquette rules.