Sinead O'Connor "reverts" to Islam

Kermit.de.frog

Sinéad O’Connor: ‘I have been a Muslim all my life and I didn’t realise it’


The singer has described her experience of ‘reverting’ to Islam

Sinéad O’Connor has described how she felt “at home” after reading the Koran and subsequently embracing the Muslim religion.

The singer, who has returned following a five-year hiatus from touring, announced her decision to “revert” to Islam almost a year ago and says she often wears the hijab as a means of signalling her new-found beliefs.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/sin%C3%A9ad-o-connor-i-have-been-a-muslim-all-my-life-and-i-didn-t-realise-it-1.4010482


I thought she was a priest in the former life??

I'm a little confused at the weird triangle of logic employed here. Perhaps a boardsie could help me with this one.

Leg End Reject

I think it's fairly well known that she has her demons Kermit, probably best not to look for logic.

As long as she's happy and she's not hurting herself or anyone else then it really doesn't matter what she believes. Not a fan of any organised religion but if following Islam brings her the peace of mind that she's been missing for so long then it's still a preferable path to the one she would otherwise end up going down.

Canis Lupus

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/sin%C3%A9ad-o-connor-i-have-been-a-muslim-all-my-life-and-i-didn-t-realise-it-1.4010482


I thought she was a priest in the former life??

I'm a little confused at the weird triangle of logic employed here. Perhaps a boardsie could help me with this one.

You're confused about something Sinead has done? Really? Leave the woman alone.

sdanseo

RTÉ milking that poor woman for all she's worth. They need to stop facilitating her mental illness by giving it airtime.

I mean that, genuinely, in the best possible way. Genuinely feel like constantly putting her on the air is not intended to give her a platform for her views but merely they see it as easy entertainment.

Leg End Reject

sdanseo wrote: »

RTÉ milking that poor woman for all she's worth. They need to stop facilitating her mental illness by giving it airtime.

I mean that, genuinely, in the best possible way. Genuinely feel like constantly putting her on the air is not intended to give her a platform for her views but merely they see it as easy entertainment.

The poor woman is ripe for exploitation, and they want to increase the licence fee for this type of homegrown "entertainment".

I'm getting as bad as Emmet et al for the aul quotation marks now.

Sam Quentin

Is she the one that made fun of Catholics or something years ago!?

Greentopia

Priest, Rastafari...Islam is but the latest. I'd give it another two years.

She's bipolar and on the more serious end it would seem and hasn't always made the wisest, most rational decisions so let's show some kindness and compassion.

I rather like her in spite of everything and hope it grants her some peace. She was on the LLS earlier and seemed in good spirits which was nice to see.

And despite everything she's been though still has more genuine talent and was more entertaining than those horrendous vacuous, brainless, orange narcissistic flesh bags from Love Island RTE had the cheek to have on as first guests of the season. :mad:

Greentopia

Sam Quentin wrote: »

Is she the one that made fun of Catholics or something years ago!?

Tore up a photo of the then pope live on air on US tv. Scuppered her career there for a long time.

sdanseo

It's sad that she has her troubles but I just refuse to stop enjoying her stuff from the 90s.

My personal favourites

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbre5Fs9m8I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bu5gqwIOQJs

Music like that just isn't. made. any. more.
And I'm 31 I was barely born. There are people who were brought up on this stuff who must feel even more powerfully for it than me.

NIMAN

If she wants to go from one phony baloney religion to another phony baloney religion, let her.

everlast75

sdanseo wrote: »

It's sad that she has her troubles but I just refuse to stop enjoying her stuff from the 90s.

My personal favourites

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbre5Fs9m8I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bu5gqwIOQJs

Music like that just isn't. made. any. more.
And I'm 31 I was barely born. There are people who were brought up on this stuff who must feel even more powerfully for it than me.

Her first two albums were incredible. You could tell by the rage and anger in the first album that she had been through so much at an early age.

She was very talented and beautiful.

Graces7

Poor restless lady.

JupiterKid

Sinead has had her demons and her troubles, but who has led a completely perfect life? I know I’ve been to hell and back with crippling anxiety and alcoholism.

If a religious following makes her happy, then who are we to judge?

And her tearing up a photograph of the Pope on MTV back in 1992 was actually very prophetic, given what we now know about the church and its wicked actions to the most vulnerable in society.

Sinead’s music and voice are truly unique talents. I have three of her albums from the 1990s on CD and still listen to them regularly. Her album Universal Mother from 1994 is IMO her masterpiece.

Shefwedfan

The question should be asked why those gobs**t in RTÉ think it’s ok to drag her on tv to try and mock her.....

smurfjed

I hope that she finds the peace that she is seeking in Islam, but I am perplexed that she was photographed arriving in Dublin wearing modest attire, but decided to wear a full abaya for TV. She could have easily taken this opportunity to show the modern version of Islam.

Yer Da sells Avon

Sam Quentin wrote: »

Is she the one that made fun of Catholics or something years ago!?

Yup, that's the one. Bald chap, tore up a picture of the pope.

Shefwedfan

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

Yup, that's the one. Bald chap, tore up a picture of the pope.

Ripping up photo of Pope is hardly making fun of catholic’s?

It was against the cover up of child abuse....

Shefwedfan

smurfjed wrote: »

I hope that she finds the peace that she is seeking in Islam, but I am perplexed that she was photographed arriving in Dublin wearing modest attire, but decided to wear a full abaya for TV. She could have easily taken this opportunity to show the modern version of Islam.

Modern Islam? Your having a laugh....when did that come around?

If she didn’t wear the full attire you would have every clown out today saying she insulted Islam etc etc etc

listermint

sdanseo wrote: »

RTÉ milking that poor woman for all she's worth. They need to stop facilitating her mental illness by giving it airtime.

I mean that, genuinely, in the best possible way. Genuinely feel like constantly putting her on the air is not intended to give her a platform for her views but merely they see it as easy entertainment.

Erm. She's back gigging. She's actually playing a large festival soon.

Just so we're clear. This isn't RTE exploiting her. Perhaps she's found some of herself again.

October 24th wexford

branie2

I think she meant converts

Shefwedfan

listermint wrote: »

Erm. She's back gigging. She's actually playing a large festival soon.

Just so we're clear. This isn't RTE exploiting her. Perhaps she's found some of herself again.

October 24th wexford

RTÉ know exactly what they are doing.....blatant attempt at sticking her on tv and saying “look st this clown”

You could say you expect better, but in reality I don’t at this stage

Similar to throwing a group of travellers on and then having no idea how to control them

spurious

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Ripping up photo of Pope is hardly making fun of catholic’s?

It was against the cover up of child abuse....

And she was right. Twenty years before most of the rest of us copped on to what they were at with their cover-ups and enabling of abusers.

JohnnyFlash

Shefwedfan wrote: »

RTÉ know exactly what they are doing.....blatant attempt at sticking her on tv and saying “look st this clown”

You could say you expect better, but in reality I don’t at this stage

Similar to throwing a group of travellers on and then having no idea how to control them

‘Look at this clown’ is right.

listermint

Shefwedfan wrote: »

RTÉ know exactly what they are doing.....blatant attempt at sticking her on tv and saying “look st this clown”

You could say you expect better, but in reality I don’t at this stage

Similar to throwing a group of travellers on and then having no idea how to control them

She's back gigging now.

Do you want her to promote herself from behind a wall or something. I get that people hate rte but have a bit of cop.

smurfjed

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Modern Islam? Your having a laugh....when did that come around?

Look around you and you will see that Islam is developing and changing. Even saudi arabia has stated that the abaya is no longer "required".

smurfjed

branie2 wrote: »

I think she meant converts

In Islam, they believe that everyone is born a Muslim but some has chosen to follow a different path, so when that person finds Islam, they have actually reverted to their original religion rather than converted.

Cee-Jay-Cee

I watched her on the LLS last night and for once she seemed happy and content so what ever works for her.

She still is a fantastic singer and she’ll hopefully always have that.

branie2

smurfjed wrote: »

In Islam, they believe that everyone is born a Muslim but some has chosen to follow a different path, so when that person finds Islam, they have actually reverted to their original religion rather than converted.

Thanks for that info

Shefwedfan

smurfjed wrote: »

Look around you and you will see that Islam is developing and changing. Even saudi arabia has stated that the abaya is no longer "required".

And the bit I said if she didn’t go in full outfit what the reaction would be?

You know 100% what the reaction would be.....

Shefwedfan

listermint wrote: »

She's back gigging now.

Do you want her to promote herself from behind a wall or something. I get that people hate rte but have a bit of cop.

Yes she is and people choose to go see her

RTÉ are just trying to mock her......

listermint

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Yes she is and people choose to go see her

RTÉ are just trying to mock her......

Yeah. Ok...

Yamanoto

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

She still is a fantastic singer and she’ll hopefully always have that.

I don't think she's taken care of her voice.

Was telling that none of the notes in the higher register on 'Nothing Compares' were attempted last night & the vocal range required to do so isn't onerous or taxing.

Shefwedfan

listermint wrote: »

. I get that people hate rte but have a bit of cop.

People don’t hate RTÉ either, majority just think they waste a lot of money for a poor service

Money could be invested in better content

Fritzbox

Greentopia wrote: »

Tore up a photo of the then pope live on air on US tv. Scuppered her career there for a long time.

It may have - remember, most Americans are not catholic.

Wibbs

Fritzbox wrote: »

It may have - remember, most Americans are not catholic.

No F, but they tend to be religious and mostly christian. It's a nation founded by religious types who were too OTT for Reformation Europe and respect for Gaaawwwd is strong and was stronger 25 years ago. That action on US national TV effectively smothered her career over there.

Fritzbox

Wibbs wrote: »

No F, but they tend to be religious and mostly christian. It's a nation founded by religious types who were too OTT for Reformation Europe and respect for Gaaawwwd is strong and was stronger 25 years ago. That action on US national TV effectively smothered her career over there.

That seems like a very broad-brush stereotype of 300 million people.

Tell me, did ripping up a picture of the pope ruin her career in "holy, catholic Ireland"?

Wibbs

Fritzbox wrote: »

That seems like a very broad-brush stereotype of 300 million people.

One that fits more than it doesn't. While there has been some decline in the last few decades, it's quite small and polls of Americans consistently show a higher attachment to religion compared to other western cultures and countries. It's also the country with the highest number of Christians in the world.

Tell me, did ripping up a picture of the pope ruin her career in "holy, catholic Ireland"?

You're either too young to remember or have the dates mixed up, because by 1992 "holy, catholic Ireland" was already dead, killed by the scandals that had been out in the public eye for years. Her generation had turned their backs on it and left it mostly to the elderly, weddings and kids being dragged to communion dolled up for the preening rights. Not unlike today. The audience that listened to her would not have been god botherers of old. If anything the stunt would have helped, though the "ah jaysus love, take it easy" factor would have been in play.

Gregor Samsa

smurfjed wrote: »

In Islam, they believe that everyone is born a Muslim but some has chosen to follow a different path, so when that person finds Islam, they have actually reverted to their original religion rather than converted.

While that’s true, I think she meant it in a slightly different way in the interview. Her own words as quoted in the Irish Times:

“The word ‘revert’ refers to the idea that if you were to study the Koran you would realise that you were a Muslim all your life and you didn’t realise it. That’s what happened to me,” she said on Friday night’s Late Late Show.

She seems to mean it in the sense of something that made instant sense to her, that she had believed her whole life but hadn’t put a name in it. Sounds like gross exaggeration to me, but I suppose she’s entitled to express it how she wants.

Gregor Samsa

Fritzbox wrote: »

That seems like a very broad-brush stereotype of 300 million people.

Tell me, did ripping up a picture of the pope ruin her career in "holy, catholic Ireland"?

I think it’s generally accepted that her action did her no favours in the US. There was a massive public backlash against her that didn’t happen here.

Have a read of this:

https://diffuser.fm/sinead-o-connor-pope-snl/

swarlb

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Yes she is and people choose to go see her

RTÉ are just trying to mock her......

RTE get some stick all the same.... on a different thread here it was written that they were responsible for the Swiss goal against Ireland the other day, simply because the commentator on the match said something just before they scored.

How could RTE be 'mocking' Sinead, when she is using the medium to promote herself, and her music.
That is mostly what professional entertainers do... they promote themselves.

padd b1975

I'd sooner listen to her than her insufferable brother.

That's probably as close as I can get to complimenting a genuine nut job who treats religion as a fashion accessory.

She should have been sectioned years ago.

smurfjed

Shefwedfan wrote: »

And the bit I said if she didn’t go in full outfit what the reaction would be?

You know 100% what the reaction would be.....

Then you might find this statement interesting...

"The laws are very clear and stipulated in the laws of Sharia [Islamic law]: that women wear decent, respectful clothing, like men," he told CBS TV.

"This, however, does not particularly specify a black abaya or black head cover. The decision is entirely left for women to decide what type of decent and respectful attire she chooses to wear."

Spoken by HRH MBS.

mikemac2

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

I think it’s generally accepted that her action did her no favours in the US. There was a massive public backlash against her that didn’t happen here.

Have a read of this:

https://diffuser.fm/sinead-o-connor-pope-snl/

Joe Pesci taped the photo back together and got huge applause the following week

Interesting story, I never heard this

Fritzbox

Wibbs wrote: »

One that fits more than it doesn't. While there has been some decline in the last few decades, it's quite small and polls of Americans consistently show a higher attachment to religion compared to other western cultures and countries. It's also the country with the highest number of Christians in the world.

You have no complete idea of the nature and extent of the religious beliefs of 300 million people in the USA. Frankly, I don't see what all this talk of religiosity has to do with music sales - never stopped a lot of heavy metal artists from having a successful career despite accusations of satanism or whatever - perhaps we should play SOC's "Red football" backwards see what we can hear...

You're either too young to remember or have the dates mixed up, because by 1992 "holy, catholic Ireland" was already dead, killed by the scandals that had been out in the public eye for years.

Ireland in 1992 was still pretty "holy and catholic". When did they legalise divorce and abortion in Ireland compared to say, the USA?

Fritzbox

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

I think it’s generally accepted that her action did her no favours in the US. There was a massive public backlash against her that didn’t happen here.

Have a read of this:

https://diffuser.fm/sinead-o-connor-pope-snl/

Sure, probably did her career in the States no favours, but we have no idea as to what extent. The album she released in 1992 wasn't so successful "Am I Not Your Girl?" only one or two tracks in it I really liked. The album she released in 1994 was good - it was for particular tastes though.

ToddyDoody

Leg End Reject wrote: »

I think it's fairly well known that she has her demons Kermit, probably best not to look for logic.

John Waters.

Gregor Samsa

Fritzbox wrote: »

Sure, probably did her career in the States no favours, but we have no idea as to what extent. The album she released in 1992 wasn't so successful "Am I Not Your Girl?" only one or two tracks in it I really liked. The album she released in 1994 was good - it was for particular tastes though.

Ok, you seem to be arguing as to what degree it affected her career. The fallout from the event is well documented. I’m not really sure why this is a hobby-hose of yours, but I wish you well.

Wibbs

Fritzbox wrote: »

You have no complete idea of the nature and extent of the religious beliefs of 300 million people in the USA. Frankly, I don't see what all this talk of religiosity has to do with music sales - never stopped a lot of heavy metal artists from having a successful career despite accusations of satanism or whatever

Different audience, less mainstream, she was being aimed at the latter. Not too many satan is god heavy metal types grace the stage of SNL.

Ireland in 1992 was still pretty "holy and catholic". When did they legalise divorce and abortion in Ireland compared to say, the USA?

Nope it wasn't. QV your example of divorce. In the mid 80's it was defeated at referendum, by the mid 90's it was passed. Contraception another example. Banned in 79, by the mid 80's it was allowed and fully out in the open by 92. The difference in attitude and the church's power was massive between the points of the pope's visit in 1979 and 1992. Save for some pockets of rural and some older generation holdouts the churches power and influence was effectively wiped out by the coming of the 90's

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

Ok, you seem to be arguing as to what degree it affected her career. The fallout from the event is well documented. I’m not really sure why this is a hobby-hose of yours, but I wish you well.

A bit odd alright. As you said it's very well documented.

Fritzbox

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

Ok, you seem to be arguing as to what degree it affected her career.

I am. What's wrong with that?

The fallout from the event is well documented.

I don't deny that.

I’m not really sure why this is a hobby-hose of yours, but I wish you well.

It is a thread about Sinead O'Connor, why wouldn't I, like the other posters on this thread, have a passing interest in the woman at least?

CrankyHaus

I just hope she doesn't go and rip up a photo of the Ayatollah on TV now, poor life expectancy for those who insult Islam