Where do you see house prices in Greystones over the next 10 years

Captcha

Hi All,

As the title says, where do you see house prices heading over the next 10 years or even 20 years in Greystones over the next decade or two?

Are there any developments that might impact that in infrastructure, is the market overpriced at the moment or quite balanced due to the mortgage caps?

Global economy slowdown currently under way etc

Thanks for your insights!

Boom_Bap

I generally look at house prices on daft or myhome.

TheValeyard

Probably still in Greystones

Annasopra

Total collapse

Harbour apartments will probably be lashed out of it with climate change
Overdevelopment of housing
Public transport that cannot cope
Crazy traffic congestion because of all these new schools, houses and poor public transport.
Continued government strategy of government investing employment in centre of Dublin.

Eric Cartman

anywhere theyre building social housing will be a hell hole in 10-12 years time when the kids become teenagers, thats where not to buy a house.

Eric Cartman

Eric Cartman wrote: »

anywhere theyre building social housing will be a hell hole in 10-12 years time when the kids become teenagers, thats where not to buy a house.

Where are they building social housing in Greystones?

Beasty

Moved from CA/IMHO

el Fenomeno

As disastrous as poor public transport and traffic congestion can be, I don't think it's a strong enough consideration to swing house prices.

2011

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Total collapse

Agree.

Harbour apartments will probably be lashed out of it with climate change

Sea levels will not be a problem for these apartments in the next 300 years in my opinion. However like all homes in Ireland they will increasingly be exposed to some extreme weather events.

Overdevelopment of housing
Public transport that cannot cope
Crazy traffic congestion because of all these new schools, houses and poor public transport.
Continued government strategy of government investing employment in centre of Dublin.

Agree.

Property in general is overpriced and increasing at an unsustainable rate. We have been through this before not so long ago.

Greystones is slowly being destroyed by a combination of overdevelopment, poor planning and greed. The quaint village that I remember is nothing more than a distant memory. Sadly Greystones is slowly morphing into a high density Blanchardstown / Tallagh / Dundrum clone and the infrastructure simply can't cope. The only good news I see is that building standards are significantly better this time around compared to the poorly built units in developments such as Charlesland.

Cluster

well If you go by how it is now, even more beautiful. My friends who grew up here all would love to move back here now but have made their lives elsewhere now and have missed that boat. The ones that have stayed and have families of their own now love it even more.

The rose tinted glasses on people here are in every town in Ireland. Where I grew up was once lush green fields but is now home to thousands of extra people, I understand that people have to live somewhere but being from Dublin maybe I am more open to that then some of the posters here.

There are challenges everywhere and Greystones wont be immune to that but its got a good head start on other places.

House prices will inevitably drop and rise again as mine have over the last 15 years or so but it will be the people that make this town great into the future.

Dont mind these naysayers, I see them post continually negative comments. There is no reason why Greystones cant flourish over next 20 years.

The J Stands for Jay

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Total collapse

Harbour apartments will probably be lashed out of it with climate change

They'll be lashed out of it in the next month or two .

awec

This is reading a bit like the Greystones Open Forum, where the cranks complain about the housing crisis, but then complain when houses are built. Complain about a lack of school places, but then complain when schools are built. They want the housing crisis solved, but only so long as their tiny village gets to stay a tiny village. Villages eventually become towns, which eventually become large towns, that's just how it works.

In the past decade or so they've developed the M1, and developed the M7. The M11 will surely be widened. They're looking at the buses already. The DART will be looked at at some point too. Realistically, Greystones is going to be continued to be seen as a nice commuter town long into the future, especially as Dublin continues to expand outward, and the commuter belt widens.

Greystones (and the M11) isn't even the worst commuter route in/out of Dublin for congestion, the M7 is much worse.

Greystones house prices will rise and fall the same as the rest of Ireland. The idea that Greystones is going to suffer some collapse of prices relative to everywhere else is just bizarre. Greystones isn't it's own little market, isolated from the rest of Ireland.

2011

awec wrote: »

cranks complain about the housing crisis, but then complain when houses are built.

It is not enough to simply build houses, we need a proper planning and to think about infrastructure. On a positive note a bit more thought seems to have gone into the design of new homes and there appears to be less “micro homes”.

There are consequences to building homes with only maximizing profits in mind which is what seems to be happening. Just look at where lack of proper planning got us in the past.

Complain about a lack of school places, but then complain when schools are built.

Personally I think that new schools are a great idea and the location of the new school at the rear of Charlesland is a good one as it is well served by roads, cycling lanes and is within walking distance of many homes.

Villages eventually become towns, which eventually become large towns, that's just how it works.

First of all Greystones ceased being a village long ago, so that ship has sailed.
Secondly not every village is suited to becoming a town.

The DART will be looked at at some point too.

Highly unlikely that this will happen for many generations as there is only room for one track through Bray head. Due to this salient fact there is little scope for improvement.

Greystones (and the M11) isn't even the worst commuter route

Agreed, but you have set the bar very low. I think that we should be more ambitious than setting a target of just being better than the M7.

The idea that Greystones is going to suffer some collapse of prices relative to everywhere else is just bizarre.

I did not see this view has not been expressed on this thread.

awec

Population comes before infrastructure. While it would be great, they aren't going to build new roads, widen motorways, increase public transport spending etc before there is the population to justify it.

RosieJoe

I cannot see how the M11 can be widened, especially the Glen of the Downs seeing as it is a nature reserve

awec

RosieJoe wrote: »

I cannot see how the M11 can be widened, especially the Glen of the Downs seeing as it is a nature reserve

I think a third lane would be feasible as far south as Fassaroe, maybe Greystones.

I have no idea if this has ever been discussed by the government, and I'm sure it would be many years away, but it's somewhat inevitable.

Preventing population growth in Dublin's commuter belt is just not possible.

2011

RosieJoe wrote: »

I cannot see how the M11 can be widened again, especially the Glen of the Downs seeing as it is a nature reserve

I fixed your post

2011

awec wrote: »

Preventing population growth in Dublin's commuter belt is just not possible.

The impact could be reduced if the government do what so many people have asked them to do and allow high rise and high density solutions in Dublin.

loyatemu

awec wrote: »

I think a third lane would be feasible as far south as Fassaroe, maybe Greystones.

I have no idea if this has ever been discussed by the government, and I'm sure it would be many years away, but it's somewhat inevitable.

Preventing population growth in Dublin's commuter belt is just not possible.

3rd lane as far as junction 7 is planned and will probably be built in the next 5 years.

Further south there are likely to be junction upgrades and auxiliary roads to take local traffic off the main N11 (e.g. between Kilpedder, Newtown and Ashford) - this is being designed currently.

A new road from Blacklion to the N11 at junction 9 (Glenview) is on the county plan. Probably 10 years away at least.

TII commissioned an engineering report on increasing DART capacity - it's on Derek Mitchell's website. It says 20 minute frequency is possible with some double-tracking. Train frequency to Wicklow needs to be improved too, but Irish Rail need more carriages and these are some years away.

WRT house prices, over 20 years you'd expect them to go up (is there any 20 year period in the past where they haven't increased?).

Captcha

Thanks all... I just bought a new build in Greystones and your comments above have been helpful. Will move in before Xmas.

I noticed some traffic build up on the N11 sometimes and feel a third lane would be very welcomed!

zanador

Eric Cartman wrote: »

anywhere theyre building social housing will be a hell hole in 10-12 years time when the kids become teenagers, thats where not to buy a house.

Are you from Greystones? Our newest full social housing estate rather than mixed is built about 10-15 years and is full of kids and teens and their residents association absolutely keeps any form of social disturbance under control. They had a few problems in the first couple years and got together and stamped it out.

I know where you stand on these issues from other posts but your blanket statements just aren't true.

Blandpebbles

zanador wrote: »

Are you from Greystones? Our newest full social housing estate rather than mixed is built about 10-15 years and is full of kids and teens and their residents association absolutely keeps any form of social disturbance under control. They had a few problems in the first couple years and got together and stamped it out.

I know where you stand on these issues from other posts but your blanket statements just aren't true.

Social housing is now mixed into estates rather than separate. It remains to be seen whether this will drive inclusion or simply enable hotspots of anti-social behavior in estates.

Your statements on residents getting social disturbance under control may be accurate for some estates, unfortunately those dealing with problems both in and around Grattan Park, Kindlestown, Kenmare etc.. would disagree. As a lot of this is drugs driven it is effecting all social classes and spilling into other areas. God knows how people buying in the new estate above Kindlestown forest will feel once they have spaced out druggies in their expensive front gardens.

Before anyone complains of exaggeration, this has happened repeatedly in these areas. And happy to confirm in private if anyone wants verification.

Of course being born and raised in this area, there are decent people with only a small minority causing problems but its a growing problem.

You only have to look at the extra premium costs applied to home and car insurance for people living in these areas to see how the statistics impact.

I saw all the above with the view that Greystones will continue to grow and be an attractive place but will also have growing problems that come with any evolving town. Is the answer to increase the police resources or to seek to resolve the problems at their root? Not for me to answer.

The Real B-man

awec wrote: »

This is reading a bit like the Greystones Open Forum, where the cranks complain about the housing crisis, but then complain when houses are built. Complain about a lack of school places, but then complain when schools are built. They want the housing crisis solved, but only so long as their tiny village gets to stay a tiny village. Villages eventually become towns, which eventually become large towns, that's just how it works.

In the past decade or so they've developed the M1, and developed the M7. The M11 will surely be widened. They're looking at the buses already. The DART will be looked at at some point too. Realistically, Greystones is going to be continued to be seen as a nice commuter town long into the future, especially as Dublin continues to expand outward, and the commuter belt widens.

Greystones (and the M11) isn't even the worst commuter route in/out of Dublin for congestion, the M7 is much worse.

Greystones house prices will rise and fall the same as the rest of Ireland. The idea that Greystones is going to suffer some collapse of prices relative to everywhere else is just bizarre. Greystones isn't it's own little market, isolated from the rest of Ireland.

https://www.thejournal.ie/house-prices-eircode-2019-4681369-Jun2019/
Defientely is when it comes to the housing market

Blandpebbles wrote: »

Social housing is now mixed into estates rather than separate. It remains to be seen whether this will drive inclusion or simply enable hotspots of anti-social behavior in estates.

Your statements on residents getting social disturbance under control may be accurate for some estates, unfortunately those dealing with problems both in and around Grattan Park, Kindlestown, Kenmare etc.. would disagree. As a lot of this is drugs driven it is effecting all social classes and spilling into other areas. God knows how people buying in the new estate above Kindlestown forest will feel once they have spaced out druggies in their expensive front gardens.

Before anyone complains of exaggeration, this has happened repeatedly in these areas. And happy to confirm in private if anyone wants verification.

Of course being born and raised in this area, there are decent people with only a small minority causing problems but its a growing problem.

You only have to look at the extra premium costs applied to home and car insurance for people living in these areas to see how the statistics impact.

I saw all the above with the view that Greystones will continue to grow and be an attractive place but will also have growing problems that come with any evolving town. Is the answer to increase the police resources or to seek to resolve the problems at their root? Not for me to answer.

Yes i have seen this also with more affluent people spaced out on the devils dandruff floating around the Nightlife spots in Greystones.

Social issues are the root cause maybe more should be invested in services in these areas, if it bothers people so much perhaps spend half a million on the other side of town.

Yer Da sells Avon

awec wrote: »

I think a third lane would be feasible as far south as Fassaroe, maybe Greystones.

I have no idea if this has ever been discussed by the government, and I'm sure it would be many years away, but it's somewhat inevitable.

Preventing population growth in Dublin's commuter belt is just not possible.

Large park & ride facilities along the M11 and N11 (paid for by imposing a congestion charge on anyone who chooses to drive past them) would solve more problems than building extra lanes. In fact, I'd replace one of the existing lanes with a heavily enforced bus lane. Reduce the road to one lane for private cars - make using park & ride a complete no-brainer.

awec

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

Large park & ride facilities along the M11 and N11 (paid for by imposing a congestion charge on anyone who chooses to drive past them) would solve more problems than building extra lanes. In fact, I'd replace one of the existing lanes with a heavily enforced bus lane. Reduce the road to one lane for private cars - make using park & ride a complete no-brainer.

Park and Ride to where?

Park and Ride will only work for a certain type of commuter. It might help, but it's certainly not a solution, and wouldn't be something you could do instead of increasing the capacity of the road.

jpd

RosieJoe wrote: »

I cannot see how the M11 can be widened, especially the Glen of the Downs seeing as it is a nature reserve

I don't think the Glen of the Downs is the cause of the congestion on the M11 - it's the whole area between the Fasseroe exits and the Kilmacanogue exits. This section is due to be upgraded but undoubtedly that will take many years

2011

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

Large park & ride facilities along the M11 and N11 (paid for by imposing a congestion charge on anyone who chooses to drive past them) would solve more problems than building extra lanes.

I work in Tallaght so like many others that can not take public transport to work driving past park & ride is hardly a “choice”. When I worked in the IFSC I was delighted to be able to get the Dart to work.

Yer Da sells Avon

awec wrote: »

Park and Ride to where?

Park and Ride will only work for a certain type of commuter. It might help, but it's certainly not a solution, and wouldn't be something you could do instead of increasing the capacity of the road.

The problem with increasing the capacity of the road is that it just encourages more people to drive, which - in addition to being environmentally terrible - ultimately causes capacity issues and further bottlenecks elsewhere. Providing alternatives and forcing people out of their cars is a far more sustainable solution.

2011 wrote: »

I work in Tallaght so like many others that can not take public transport to work driving past park & ride is hardly a “choice”. When I worked in the IFSC I was delighted to be able to get the Dart to work.

Obviously, park & ride interchanges would need to be served by various bus routes linking up with areas where lots of people work, like Tallaght, Sandyford, the city centre, etc.

zanador

Blandpebbles wrote: »

Social housing is now mixed into estates rather than separate. It remains to be seen whether this will drive inclusion or simply enable hotspots of anti-social behavior in estates.

Your statements on residents getting social disturbance under control may be accurate for some estates, unfortunately those dealing with problems both in and around Grattan Park, Kindlestown, Kenmare etc.. would disagree. As a lot of this is drugs driven it is effecting all social classes and spilling into other areas. God knows how people buying in the new estate above Kindlestown forest will feel once they have spaced out druggies in their expensive front gardens.

Before anyone complains of exaggeration, this has happened repeatedly in these areas. And happy to confirm in private if anyone wants verification.

Of course being born and raised in this area, there are decent people with only a small minority causing problems but its a growing problem.

You only have to look at the extra premium costs applied to home and car insurance for people living in these areas to see how the statistics impact.

I saw all the above with the view that Greystones will continue to grow and be an attractive place but will also have growing problems that come with any evolving town. Is the answer to increase the police resources or to seek to resolve the problems at their root? Not for me to answer.

I'm in a council house in a mixed estate in greystones- neither I nor my special.needs son between work and school and everything have time to be spaced out druggies but he's young yet so I'll keep ya posted.

2011

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

Obviously, park & ride interchanges would need to be served by various bus routes linking up with areas where lots of people work, like Tallaght, Sandyford, the city centre, etc.

Perhaps a more obvious solution is not to have so many people traveling so far to work.

markest

I think many more people will be working from home/remotely in the next few years. Should cut down much of the traffic.

The J Stands for Jay

markest wrote: »

I think many more people will be working from home/remotely in the next few years. Should cut down much of the traffic.

I do it from time to time, but the slow eir connection keeps me from doing it more often. I must look into virgin media broadband.

Cluster

McGaggs wrote: »

I do it from time to time, but the slow eir connection keeps me from doing it more often. I must look into virgin media broadband.

I work from home, need fast internet, virgin is pretty good

awec

Siro is being rolled out in Greystones at the moment too.

Cerco

awec wrote: »

Siro is being rolled out in Greystones at the moment too.

Any pricing information / introductory offers etc?
TIA.

Blandpebbles

Cerco wrote: »

Any pricing information / introductory offers etc?
TIA.

Vodafone and Sky are partnered with SIRO to deliver 1GB speeds. I think it’s around 55 euro per month.

Just be aware at present both companies have a 1TB cap per month. You ear through that fast.

Blandpebbles

zanador wrote: »

I'm in a council house in a mixed estate in greystones- neither I nor my special.needs son between work and school and everything have time to be spaced out druggies but he's young yet so I'll keep ya posted.

See my comment on small minority.

2011

Blandpebbles wrote: »

See my comment on small minority.

Drug problems are not limited to council estates. Cocaine use in particular is rampant across in the "posh" estates too.
Now back on topic please.

Annasopra

awec wrote: »

I think a third lane would be feasible as far south as Fassaroe, maybe Greystones.

I have no idea if this has ever been discussed by the government, and I'm sure it would be many years away, but it's somewhat inevitable.

Preventing population growth in Dublin's commuter belt is just not possible.

The problem is that inceeased population of commuters leads to massive congestion snd consequent poor quality of life - kids in creches from 6am to 8pm, driving approx 2 hours each way to work,

Annasopra

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

Large park & ride facilities along the M11 and N11 (paid for by imposing a congestion charge on anyone who chooses to drive past them) would solve more problems than building extra lanes. In fact, I'd replace one of the existing lanes with a heavily enforced bus lane. Reduce the road to one lane for private cars - make using park & ride a complete no-brainer.

Creating more local employment rather than shoving thousands up the N11 every day back snd forth is an even better solution again!

Blandpebbles

That assumes businesses can operate with locals only and requires no one from another town or county. So this requires upskilling of locals and only works for technology based businesses.

Annasopra

Blandpebbles wrote: »

That assumes businesses can operate with locals only and requires no one from another town or county. So this requires upskilling of locals and only works for technology based businesses.

No it doesn't. A business in Greystones could provide employment for Bray, Kilcoole, Arklow etc and avoids all those people commuting all the way into Dublin. It is about alternatives to all employment focused in Dublin and the ensuing unsustainable commuting, traffic congestion.

awec

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

The problem is that inceeased population of commuters leads to massive congestion snd consequent poor quality of life - kids in creches from 6am to 8pm, driving approx 2 hours each way to work,

Hyperbole.

It’s not two hours to Dublin from greystones anyway, my own commute is about 40 mins at the moment, would probably be 90 max if I was going city centre (though I’d just get the dart and it’d be much faster).

And 6:30-8pm is total nonsense, given crèches usually don’t open til 7/7:30 and close at 6:30/7. Any time I collect my child from crèche after 6, which is rare, she’s one of the last ones left.

Blandpebbles

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

No it doesn't. A business in Greystones could provide employment for Bray, Kilcoole, Arklow etc and avoids all those people commuting all the way into Dublin. It is about alternatives to all employment focused in Dublin and the ensuing unsustainable commuting, traffic congestion.

Only Bray, Kilcoole and Arklow? not Newcastle, Rathnew? you are just shifting traffic from one city to a nearer town.

Traffic is already congested in Greystones at times... where do these new offices get built?

Improvements in public transport and mandatory use of same is the only short term relief. Neither will happen of course.

Blandpebbles

awec wrote: »

Hyperbole.


And 6:30-8pm is total nonsense, given crèches usually don’t open til 7/7:30 and close at 6:30/7. Any time I collect my child from crèche after 6, which is rare, she’s one of the last ones left.

Unfortunately, you are a lucky one. I know first hand of families putting kids in at 7 and picking them up at 7.

awec

Blandpebbles wrote: »

Only Bray, Kilcoole and Arklow? not Newcastle, Rathnew? you are just shifting traffic from one city to a nearer town.

Traffic is already congested in Greystones at times... where do these new offices get built?

Improvements in public transport and mandatory use of same is the only short term relief. Neither will happen of course.

Greystones would not be sustainable as an employment hub. You'd not be moving traffic around, you'd be making it worse. The town, and surrounding area, is just not designed to have thousands of people commute into it every day.

awec

Blandpebbles wrote: »

Unfortunately, you are a lucky one. I know first hand of families putting kids in at 7 and picking them up at 7.

Which is not 6am -> 8pm.

This would be an exception rather than the norm. It depends on many factors, of which commute is just one. Some people just work very long hours.

loyatemu

awec wrote: »

Greystones would not be sustainable as an employment hub. You'd not be moving traffic around, you'd be making it worse. The town, and surrounding area, is just not designed to have thousands of people commute into it every day.

what sort of activity would even generate significant employment in the town - they've been beating this drum for 30 years.

The IDA lands were originally to be a computer chip facility as in Leixlip, that's not going to happen nor is any other sort of high-employment industrial facility (how many work in Procap I wonder?).

Big companies are unlikely to locate offices this far out of town, datacentres don't employ many people. Small industrial units for local businesses (as in Kilcoole and Newtown) can provide some employment but the vast majority of Greystones residents are going to be commuters whatever happens.

awec

loyatemu wrote: »

what sort of activity would even generate significant employment in the town - they've been beating this drum for 30 years.

The IDA lands were originally to be a computer chip facility as in Leixlip, that's not going to happen nor is any other sort of high-employment industrial facility (how many work in Procap I wonder?).

Big companies are unlikely to locate offices this far out of town, datacentres don't employ many people. Small industrial units for local businesses (as in Kilcoole and Newtown) can provide some employment but the vast majority of Greystones residents are going to be commuters whatever happens.

Exactly.

Greystones employment is going to be local businesses - shops, cafes and the likes. That's just the reality of it. It's the definition of a commuter town.

Blandpebbles

awec wrote: »

Exactly.

Greystones employment is going to be local businesses - shops, cafes and the likes. That's just the reality of it. It's the definition of a commuter town.

Exactly.

Annasopra

awec wrote: »

Hyperbole.

It’s not two hours to Dublin from greystones anyway, my own commute is about 40 mins at the moment, would probably be 90 max if I was going city centre (though I’d just get the dart and it’d be much faster).

And 6:30-8pm is total nonsense, given crèches usually don’t open til 7/7:30 and close at 6:30/7. Any time I collect my child from crèche after 6, which is rare, she’s one of the last ones left.

We are talking about the future here not the present - thousands and thousands of new houses and new schools create an enormous amount of new traffic