Jaywalking

paleoperson

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

So there isn’t a word for it.

If you experienced the feeling that an occurrence had happened before, would you describe it as “a feeling that the present occurrence has happened before” or would you use the term “d vu”?

highdef wrote: »

So you're sick of people using American words here yet you used the American term "Mom" to describe mother.... Ha ha

Both “deja vu” and "mom" are fully accepted terms to use in normal Irish speaking culture. C'est la vie is also accepted and Ciao, but if started blurting out "je vous en prie" people would think there was something wrong with you - and quite rightly so.

It is quite true that language changes over time and sometimes gets accepted in different regions. If you want to make "jaywalking" a term here then maybe you could try it some time in conversation and maybe it would catch on. Don't just come in here expecting like everyone is going to go along with American terms.

Can we not be different in some ways from other english speaking countries with how we use words?

boombang

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

Pedestrians have priority at junctions in Ireland.

Is this true? Fantastic if so. I give pedestrians the priority out of courtesy, but I notice many drivers don't. I don't recall it being in my lessons as a learner.

Dr. Bre

Gaywalking is where it’s at ..

Alf Veedersane

paleoperson wrote: »

Both “deja vu” and "mom" are fully accepted terms to use in normal Irish speaking culture.

'Mom' is in its hole fully accepted in normal Irish speaking culture. Just to people that use it. It's an abomination.

AND YOU'RE A MONSTER!

Gregor Samsa

paleoperson wrote: »

Both “d vu” and "mom" are fully accepted terms to use in normal Irish speaking culture.

Can we not be different in some ways from other english speaking countries with how we use words?

If you want to make "jaywalking" a term here then maybe you could try it some time in conversation and maybe it would catch on. Don't just come in here expecting like everyone is going to go along with American terms.

So you’re ok with some loan words, but not others. Interesting. Is it just American ones you have a problem with? Would you get all bent out of shape if someone used the term “hot dog” to describe a grilled or steamed link-sausage sandwich where the sausage is served in the slit of a partially sliced bun?

paleoperson

boombang wrote: »

Is this true? Fantastic if so. I give pedestrians the priority out of courtesy, but I notice many drivers don't. I don't recall it being in my lessons as a learner.

Now that he mentioned that, it does ring a bell for me and I think it may well be the case. Whatever it is, it was obviously devised by some ivory tower penpusher, you can't just walk out in front of oncoming traffic.

paleoperson

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

So you’re ok with some loan words, but not others. Interesting. Is it just American ones you have a problem with? Would you get all bent out of shape if someone used the term “hot dog” to describe a grilled or steamed link-sausage sandwich where the sausage is served in the slit of a partially sliced bun?

I certainly am "ok with some loan words, but not others", that's how language works and it's a trivial and obvious thing that everyone rightly does and not interesting at all. Also your term "loan words" is an odd one to use here that isn't clear and I can only imagine the reason you're using it is to make your point look better to yourself.

No it's not just American terms - sorry I edited my post to reflect that after you started your post.

Gregor Samsa

paleoperson wrote: »

I certainly am "ok with some loan words, but not others", that's how language works and it's a trivial and obvious thing that everyone rightly does and not interesting at all.

No it's not just American terms - sorry I edited my post to reflect that after you started your post.

But how do you feel about “hot dog”?

boombang

paleoperson wrote: »

Now that he mentioned that, it does ring a bell for me and I think it may well be the case. Whatever it is, it was obviously devised by some ivory tower penpusher, you can't just walk out in front of oncoming traffic.

Yeah, not so. I checked it. It says you should yield at junctions to pedestrians already crossing. Basically you shouldn't run people over:


"22.—(1) When starting from a stationary position a driver shall yield the right of way to other traffic and pedestrians.

(2) A driver approaching a road junction shall yield the right of way to another vehicle which has commenced to turn or cross at the junction in accordance with these bye-laws, and to a pedestrian who has commenced to cross at the junction in accordance with these bye-laws."

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1964/si/294/made/en/print

highdef

paleoperson wrote: »

Both “deja vu” and "mom" are fully accepted terms to use in normal Irish speaking culture.

"Mom" has traditionally not been commonly used to describe a mother. It's a fairly recent thing due to the infiltration of American culture, moreso in more affluent D4 like areas.

"Deja Vu" is French. It translates directly into "Already Seen". "Deja Vu" is a completely French term, in French.

paleoperson

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

But how do you feel about “hot dog”?

Hot dog has been integrated and used in Irish culture. Jaywalking has not. You can't just pull up random words and use them, jaywalking cannot even be described properly for someone doing it here because it's not a crime.

boombang wrote: »

Yeah, not so. I checked it. It says you should yield at junctions to pedestrians already crossing. Basically you shouldn't run people over:

"22.—(1) When starting from a stationary position a driver shall yield the right of way to other traffic and pedestrians.

(2) A driver approaching a road junction shall yield the right of way to another vehicle which has commenced to turn or cross at the junction in accordance with these bye-laws, and to a pedestrian who has commenced to cross at the junction in accordance with these bye-laws."

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1964/si/294/made/en/print

Yeah, it's so. What's written there is exactly what I said.

I said that yes that is how it is in the law.

However you can't just run out into oncoming traffic - ie. common sense. Get it? Jesus.

endacl

boombang

paleoperson wrote: »

Hot dog has been integrated and used in Irish culture. Jaywalking has not. You can't just pull up random words and use them, jaywalking cannot even be described properly for someone doing it here because it's not a crime.



Yeah, it's so. What's written there is exactly what I said.

I said that yes that is how it is in the law.

However you can't just run out into oncoming traffic - ie. common sense. Get it? Jesus.

I'm agreeing with you that the claim made by the other poster wasn't correct.

Gregor Samsa

paleoperson wrote: »

Hot dog has been integrated and used in Irish culture. Jaywalking has not. You can't just pull up random words and use them, jaywalking cannot even be described properly for someone doing it here because it's not a crime.

It’s already been established that there is such an office described in Irish law under certain circumstances. But let’s put that aside for the moment.

Would you be ok with an American using the word in Ireland when taking to Irish people?

Would you be ok with an Irish person using the word in Ireland to describe the activity in America?

paleoperson

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

It’s already been established that there is such an office described in Irish law under certain circumstances. But let’s put that aside for the moment.

That law is contradicted by other laws since posted and if you use that convoluted one literally noone will understand what you mean by it.

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

Would you be ok with an American using the word in Ireland when taking to Irish people?

If they said something a normal person would like "in America we call that jaywalking" or if they thought it was used here yes.

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

Would you be ok with an Irish person using the word in Ireland to describe the activity in America?

Yeah, as a legal offence that exists there.

riclad

I think if you were close to a garda and he saw you , he,d tell you to
get off the road.
you are putting yourself in danger, and you could cause an accident if cars have to swerve or stop to avoid you.
i do,nt think you,d be arrested for this offense unless you were drunk,
or you were rude to the garda .
If all traffic is at a stop and i,m in a hurry , i might cross the road ,
even though i,m breaking the law. But i,ll be careful to wait until theres
no cars in motion.

paleoperson

Once there was a lady talking to someone in a car in the right hand lane in a busy city street, both lanes were fairly narrow and in the same direction so there wasn't a large amount of room there (there were several other lanes outside them). And she talked and talked and I got the green light and was in a hurry, so I sped on quickly, well outside her and leaving more than enough for a safe space between us.

However she spun around really quickly at just the wrong moment and it was a real scary moment for me because it suddenly occurred to me what if she thought that the cars in that lane were waiting/would wait for her and was just about to run across to stop "holding us up", she would have been hit at a really fast speed and I'd be powerless to stop in time. She didn't though, she just turned around on the spot. I'm sure she had no intention of running across and I was the only one who had a scary moment. But you can never trust pedestrians.

Gregor Samsa

paleoperson wrote: »

That law is contradicted by other laws since posted and if you use that convoluted one literally noone will understand what you mean by it.

If they said something a normal person would like "in America we call that jaywalking" or if they thought it was used here yes.

Yeah, as a legal offence that exists there.

If the Dáil passed legislation tomorrow outlawing the pedestrian crossing of roads except at designated crossing points, how would you feel about the word being used here to describe the offence?

Kermit.de.frog

paleoperson wrote: »

This has to be one of the dumbest threads I've seen in a long time.

"Jaywalking" is an American term, Irish people don't use it and neither do people in the UK. It's a strictly American term, or at least it's not used in Ireland. I'm sick of people seeing American words on tv and thinking they can use it just the same here.

Of course it's not an offence, it has never been an offence.

IT IS AN OFFENCE UNDER IRISH LAW (FACT, FACT, FACT, FACT, FACT, FACT, FACT) :cool:

*sorry for shouting

Yer Da sells Avon

It's quite obnoxious that you have to press a button and wait for 'permission' to walk. I'd change the law so that people who aren't in cars have the right-of-way at all times.

andekwarhola

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

It's quite obnoxious that you have to press a button and wait for 'permission' to walk.

I have just this minute rushed a George Orwell trophy to you by express post.

Woodsie1

Does anyone actually press the button...I just cross when its safe,dont need a green man telling me its safe,id rather use my own eyes.

BuboBubo

paleoperson wrote: »

Once there was a lady talking to someone in a car in the right hand lane in a busy city street, both lanes were fairly narrow and in the same direction so there wasn't a large amount of room there (there were several other lanes outside them). And she talked and talked and I got the green light and was in a hurry, so I sped on quickly, well outside her and leaving more than enough for a safe space between us.

However she spun around really quickly at just the wrong moment and it was a real scary moment for me because it suddenly occurred to me what if she thought that the cars in that lane were waiting/would wait for her and was just about to run across to stop "holding us up", she would have been hit at a really fast speed and I'd be powerless to stop in time. She didn't though, she just turned around on the spot. I'm sure she had no intention of running across and I was the only one who had a scary moment. But you can never trust pedestrians.

You can never trust pedestrians.
You can never trust cyclists.
You can never trust other drivers.

Be courteous to other road users, drive with due care and "always expect the unexpected"