Clearing a classic before Brexit

Justjens

I have a nearly 50yr old rolling classic waiting to be restored tucked in the back of my shed for the last 14 or 15 years that I never cleared.

Figure I'd better do something before the Boris train wreck. Will the VRT office be happy with my two hundred notes if I present it now, bearing in mind it's a 300% mark up on what I would have paid ?

Or will I asked for proof of entry into the state?

kadman

I,ll be watching this thread with interest, as I'm in a similar position
with a classic car I'm thinking of buying.

It was brought in from the states with all the correct paperwork, apparently.

But was never vrt'd at the time.

So i too would be interested in any possible issues on the horizon

w124man

Can the car be driven and is it road legal? If no to either question then you cant VRT it. Its all on the NCTS site

Justjens

w124man wrote: »

Can the car be driven and is it road legal? If no to either question then you cant VRT it. Its all on the NCTS site

No and no. Could possibly get it running but it wouldn't be pretty!!

JP 1800

I am in a similar predicament. I bought a restoration project a few years ago and tried to VRT the car. I brought it up to the NCT center on the back of a trailer and they refused to vrt the car. I was told to have the car complete and driving before I could VRT the vehicle. I am now scrambling to complete the car to get the vrt done. Like the other poster my car will be different colours of body panel with visible welds and skims of filler. I can imagine there will be late penalties also as I will be very late paying the VRT. A ridiculous system to have in place when the earlier revenue run system was a simpler procedure.

Isambard

JP 1800 wrote: »

I am in a similar predicament. I bought a restoration project a few years ago and tried to VRT the car. I brought it up to the NCT center on the back of a trailer and they refused to vrt the car. I was told to have the car complete and driving before I could VRT the vehicle. I am now scrambling to complete the car to get the vrt done. Like the other poster my car will be different colours of body panel with visible welds and skims of filler. I can imagine there will be late penalties also as I will be very late paying the VRT. A ridiculous system to have in place when the earlier revenue run system was a simpler procedure.

the earlier system was quite lax,( I heard of a guy who VRTd a car before import and brought it in taxed with the new plates up). In your case, I think you'd better "sell" the car to someone and get them to VRT it to avoid penalties.

Justjens

Isambard wrote: »

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I think you'd better "sell" the car to someone and get them to VRT it to avoid penalties.

You would have to sell it to someone either in the UK or NI and then 're-import' it.

w124man

Justjens wrote: »

You would have to sell it to someone either in the UK or NI and then 're-import' it.

There might be implications if the MOT was out by a long way. This is one of the parameters they use

Isambard

car in OP MoT exempt.

kadman

Does it have to be driving, or will engine running be sufficient for VRT.

Isambard

kadman wrote: »

Does it have to be driving, or will engine running be sufficient for VRT.

probably depends on the tester. I've heard cases where the tester wants the car driven off the trailer, so may be a good idea to take it off yourself in advance. I doubt they'll drive it, probably just needs to look complete.

Vwsham

Isambard wrote: »

probably depends on the tester. I've heard cases where the tester wants the car driven off the trailer, so may be a good idea to take it off yourself in advance. I doubt they'll drive it, probably just needs to look complete.

I’m so glad I cleared my car 9-10 years ago. Only cost me €50, just needed the logbook. Didn’t need to see the car or anything. Wow, certainly look like things have tightened up since.

Car99

If you had a 33 year old car with the first two pages of the V5 only ( as was all that you got when buying back then) that was exported from the UK to Ireland in 2007 as a project car but never registered in ireland. Would you have any issues registering it here now with only the first two pages of the V5 ?

I don't want info on penalties and fines and 10 days to register in the state , I'm aware of all that .


DVLA wont issue Cert of export anymore and to get a replacement V5 the car would have to be reimported to the UK.

macplaxton

First sheet/two pages is the important bit with all the data (Sections 1-8). The last sheet is just tear off slips for export/UK new keeper receipt (and on really old ones scrap noticification). Should have no issue registering with just that.

Justjens

Heading in for VRT in the morning.......fingers crossed:)

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JP 1800

Good luck, let us know how you get on. I need to get the glass in and do a shake down on my own.

galwaytt

JP 1800 wrote: »

I am in a similar predicament. I bought a restoration project a few years ago and tried to VRT the car. I brought it up to the NCT center on the back of a trailer and they refused to vrt the car. I was told to have the car complete and driving before I could VRT the vehicle. I am now scrambling to complete the car to get the vrt done. Like the other poster my car will be different colours of body panel with visible welds and skims of filler. I can imagine there will be late penalties also as I will be very late paying the VRT. A ridiculous system to have in place when the earlier revenue run system was a simpler procedure.

If you brought it to NCT, and it's on the system, there's no set time inside which you have to have it restored by afaik, so why is there a clock running?

JP 1800

The car has not been registered hence still on UK plates as they would not accept it has a road worthy vehicle at the time.

galwaytt

JP 1800 wrote: »

The car has not been registered hence still on UK plates as they would not accept it has a road worthy vehicle at the time.

That I understand: but you presented it to them: it's they not VRT-ing it, not you. Did you not get it 'on the record' ?

JP 1800

Not on record per se, but I have the original documents I submitted. The VRT receipt is just a generic address and statistical code.

Isambard

galwaytt wrote: »

If you brought it to NCT, and it's on the system, there's no set time inside which you have to have it restored by afaik, so why is there a clock running?

Brexit

Car99

Isambard wrote: »

Brexit

But if its in the state before brexit you won't be liable for vat and import duty.

Isambard

Car99 wrote: »

But if its in the state before brexit you won't be liable for vat and import duty.

no one knows. I was just explaining the haste.

Justjens

Well it wasn't all bad!!

After his initial reservations with a 'receipt' from NI and a V5 from UK, his threat was having to pay road tax back to when it last expired, 1996 :D

On inspecting the car which I had parked noisily in a jam packed car park, I had to unload on the road, he searched for a VIN. He never asked to see or hear the car move.

There was no way he would accept the plate riveted to the LH inner front wing was all that Triumph put on their cars.

I followed him back to the office where he gave me all my paperwork back and he said if I got a letter from a recognised Irish car club stating that there is no VIN stamped on the chassis he will get clear the car.....

Happy days, spoke to the club chairman, there's a meeting Friday and I'll have my letter :D:D

macplaxton

Justjens wrote: »

There was no way he would accept the plate riveted to the LH inner front wing was all that Triumph put on their cars.

[snip]

and he said if I got a letter from a recognised Irish car club stating that there is no VIN stamped on the chassis he will get clear the car.....

I remember reading years ago that some folk were having issues re-registering in France in such circumstances.

At least there is the letter option. The other would be knowing the (nonsense) requirement in advance and getting the punch set out and get hammering!

galwaytt

Justjens wrote: »

On inspecting the car which I had parked noisily in a jam packed car park, I had to unload on the road, he searched for a VIN. He never asked to see or hear the car move.

There was no way he would accept the plate riveted to the LH inner front wing was all that Triumph put on their cars.

How on earth after all this time, and all thousands of old cars that have come into this country since...well, forever, can people 'in the industry' (which NCT is) not know that VIN no's on chassis are actually a fairly recent innovation and was by no means standard at all for most until after 1981.

How can they not know this ??

Justjens

macplaxton wrote: »

I remember reading years ago that some folk were having issues re-registering in France in such circumstances.

At least there is the letter option. The other would be knowing the (nonsense) requirement in advance and getting the punch set out and get hammering!

I have one of them but imagine if he did know what to look for and found a lovely clean set of numbers :P

galwaytt wrote: »

How on earth after all this time, and all thousands of old cars that have come into this country since...well, forever, can people 'in the industry' (which NCT is) not know that VIN no's on chassis are actually a fairly recent innovation and was by no means standard at all for most until after 1981.

How can they not know this ??

He tried to tell me that Triumph only riveted VIN plates on to their fibreglass cars :eek::eek:

Isambard

jobsworth!

w124man

galwaytt wrote: »

How on earth after all this time, and all thousands of old cars that have come into this country since...well, forever, can people 'in the industry' (which NCT is) not know that VIN no's on chassis are actually a fairly recent innovation and was by no means standard at all for most until after 1981.

How can they not know this ??

The people at the NCT office that do this work are civil servants not petrolheads or employees of the NCTS. Its a pensionable job, nothing more. The civil service is a place where people who have less than two brain cells go to get a job. Politicians are people who have more than two (but less than three) brain cells and we let them make and enforce the rules.

Puzzling isn't it?

Isambard

is the NCTS not a private company?

galwaytt

Isambard wrote: »

is the NCTS not a private company?

correct: NCTS are not the civil service

galwaytt

w124man wrote: »

The people at the NCT office that do this work are civil servants not petrolheads or employees of the NCTS. Its a pensionable job, nothing more. The civil service is a place where people who have less than two brain cells go to get a job. Politicians are people who have more than two (but less than three) brain cells and we let them make and enforce the rules.

Puzzling isn't it?

NCT irun by a private comoany: Applus. Nothing to do with civil service at all.

In fact it's because they're private that you don't have to have NCT details to tax your car.

w124man

galwaytt wrote: »

correct: NCTS are not the civil service

Correct: The people in the NCTS who do the VRT are civil servants. I actually never said that the people who do the NCT are civil servants, I was referring to the VRT personnel.

swarlb

w124man wrote: »

The people at the NCT office that do this work are civil servants not petrolheads or employees of the NCTS. Its a pensionable job, nothing more. The civil service is a place where people who have less than two brain cells go to get a job. Politicians are people who have more than two (but less than three) brain cells and we let them make and enforce the rules.

Puzzling isn't it?

Personally I think that is a very disingenuous remark to make about people who work in the Civil Service. It's a job, like any other, there are certain levels of educational qualifications required to get a 'job' with the Civil Service. The fact that it's pensionable is a good thing, insofar as there is some level of comfort awaiting you at the end of your career.
Tarring everyone with the same brush based on the fact that (in your opinion) the person in control of the VRT should have an encyclopaedic knowledge of every make and model of car put forward for presentation.
Maybe the person in question should have presented the car for registration when they first imported it into the country.
Possibly that's where 'brain cells' are required.

galwaytt

swarlb wrote: »

Personally I think that is a very disingenuous remark to make about people who work in the Civil Service. It's a job, like any other, there are certain levels of educational qualifications required to get a 'job' with the Civil Service. The fact that it's pensionable is a good thing, insofar as there is some level of comfort awaiting you at the end of your career.
Tarring everyone with the same brush based on the fact that (in your opinion) the person in control of the VRT should have an encyclopaedic knowledge of every make and model of car put forward for presentation.
Maybe the person in question should have presented the car for registration when they first imported it into the country.
Possibly that's where 'brain cells' are required.

You'd expect a dentist to know which teeth are where.

I'd expect vehicle inspection staff to be familiar with rudimentary vehicle info - and key info such as VIN info is bread & butter to the job. If they haven't got that, then the education you're referring to isn't getting us the staff our tax money deserves, and they're in the wrong job.

Marcusm

JP 1800 wrote: »

I am in a similar predicament. I bought a restoration project a few years ago and tried to VRT the car. I brought it up to the NCT center on the back of a trailer and they refused to vrt the car. I was told to have the car complete and driving before I could VRT the vehicle. I am now scrambling to complete the car to get the vrt done. Like the other poster my car will be different colours of body panel with visible welds and skims of filler. I can imagine there will be late penalties also as I will be very late paying the VRT. A ridiculous system to have in place when the earlier revenue run system was a simpler procedure.

You won’t have any penalties.

Marcusm

JP 1800 wrote: »

The car has not been registered hence still on UK plates as they would not accept it has a road worthy vehicle at the time.

If it wasn’t roadworthy then it was not an MPV and the RT liability only arises when it becomes one. That’s why you have no penalties.

Marcusm

galwaytt wrote: »

You'd expect a dentist to know which teeth are where.

I'd expect vehicle inspection staff to be familiar with rudimentary vehicle info - and key info such as VIN info is bread & butter to the job. If they haven't got that, then the education you're referring to isn't getting us the staff our tax money deserves, and they're in the wrong job.

They are working at a counter job; could just as easily be selling tickets in a cinema or checking you into a hotel.

galwaytt

Marcusm wrote: »

They are working at a counter job; could just as easily be selling tickets in a cinema or checking you into a hotel.

which, perversely, can sometimes be a boon to the enthusiast

w124man

swarlb wrote: »

Tarring everyone with the same brush based on the fact that (in your opinion) the person in control of the VRT should have an encyclopaedic knowledge of every make and model of car put forward for presentation.

I dont know who you are or what you do for a living but I do know you cant read because I never wrote or inferred that. Go back and read what I wrote.

Car99

I cleared a car Tuesday and now I've declared it off the road online . Will I recieve logbook now or will they wait until I tax it?

w124man

Car99 wrote: »

I cleared a car Tuesday and now I've declared it off the road online . Will I recieve logbook now or will they wait until I tax it?

When you tax it.

Car99

w124man wrote: »

When you tax it.

So I can't sell it until I tax it , so i have to insure it to tax it . That's annoying. I didnt want to fork out for insurance before selling.

Isambard

you can sell it, and you don't need insurance to tax it.

JP 1800

Tried to book a VRT inspection last week and there are no dates available, anyone else have this problem. I called last Thursday and was told I would be placed on a priority list but no correspondence yet. It seems as if the vrt offices have gone into shutdown.

galwaytt

JP 1800 wrote: »

Tried to book a VRT inspection last week and there are no dates available, anyone else have this problem. I called last Thursday and was told I would be placed on a priority list but no correspondence yet. It seems as if the vrt offices have gone into shutdown.

...they haven't gone into shutdown....importing motorists have gone into overdrive (sic) bringing in cars, so volumes are through the roof. It's a short term spike, won't last long.

w124man

galwaytt wrote: »

...they haven't gone into shutdown....importing motorists have gone into overdrive (sic) bringing in cars, so volumes are through the roof. It's a short term spike, won't last long.

In addition many Revenue staff have been diverted elsewhere due to this Brexit nonsense. If your car needs a valuation because it isnt on the system then you will certainly be in for a bit of a wait!