Ireland one of 6 countries which has agreed to take migrants from Med ship

Mokuba

We are one of only 6 countries, despite a housing and homeless crisis, which has agreed to take in these migrants.

Worth nothing that all but 9 of the 356 are men.

Sets a dangerous precedent and I'm sure we will now start to see many more of these boats.

Obviously comes at a time when our housing and homeless levels are at a point beyond critical and yet we willingly accept more unskilled people into the country who will have to be supported by the taxpayer. I imagine the next step for them involves bringing the remainder of their families over.

Pretty outrageous to be honest. Though I imagine it won't take long for comments about racism to arrive. Not being able to house the people you already have in the country and taking in more people knowing that is absurd.

https://www.thejournal.ie/ireland-migrants-ocean-viking-4779483-Aug2019/

iamwhoiam

So we ignore refugees in camps in Turkey and take illegal migrants plucked from boats ? Great , that willsurely stop the boats in the Med and the trafficers

TheMilkyPirate

Absolute madness.

murpho999

I think it's good news and shows that we're a compassionate nation.

Going on about he "Housing and homeless crisis" as a reason to stop doing everything else is ridiculous as those problems exist for various reasons such as social problems and will always be there and does not mean that our humanitarian programmes should stop.

Do you not ask why the people who cannot be housed do not have a house in the first place?
It's a lot more complicated than just money.

Rufeo

We have too much diversity.

Mokuba

murpho999 wrote: »

I think it's good news and shows that we're a compassionate nation.

Going on about he "Housing and homeless crisis" as a reason to stop doing everything else is ridiculous as those problems exist for various reasons such as social problems and will always be there and does not mean that our humanitarian programmes should stop.

Do you not ask why the people who cannot be housed do not have a house in the first place?
It's a lot more complicated than just money.

Many existing asylum seekers are being accommodated in hotels at the expense of the taxpayer.

Clearly the natural progression from that was to bring more in.

If you want to get into how the government has failed to build adequate social housing, and instead inflated rental prices through Hap, causing people who would typically be able to rent to no longer be able to afford it, then that's probably another conversation.

Ash.J.Williams

murpho999 wrote: »

I think it's good news and shows that we're a compassionate nation.

Going on about he "Housing and homeless crisis" as a reason to stop doing everything else is ridiculous as those problems exist for various reasons such as social problems and will always be there and does not mean that our humanitarian programmes should stop.

Do you not ask why the people who cannot be housed do not have a house in the first place?
It's a lot more complicated than just money.

first of all the housing crisis relating to social issues is normal...it's the same all over the world, there are a large number that can never be housed, the bigger and more important housing crisis in ireland is the fact that people with jobs can't afford to buy or rent a house.....

that withstanding no issue housing refugees as long as every country chips in..and the root cause of people jumping in the Med is fixed

SEPT 23 1989

Something as serious as this should have been put to the people

Allinall

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Something as serious as this should have been put to the people

I love the dry wit and sarcasm here on a Friday evening.

Deebles McBeebles

Rufeo wrote: »

We have too much diversity.

Can't get enough of them myself. Crackin' dancers.

murpho999

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

first of all the housing crisis relating to social issues is normal...it's the same all over the world, there are a large number that can never be housed, the bigger and more important housing crisis in ireland is the fact that people with jobs can't afford to buy or rent a house.....

that withstanding no issue housing refugees as long as every country chips in..and the root cause of people jumping in the Med is fixed

The root cause of that is poverty and war.

Roger Hassenforder

Give me 10 Sudan lads who want to work for a better life, than 1 Margaret Cash type.

Spleerbun

Sudan, Ivory coast, Mali, Senegal...are there currently wars in these countries? (Genuine question).

It's mind boggling that these ships go searching for these people off the African coast and then bring them hundreds of miles to Europe. How is that not going to encourage hundreds of thousands more from attempting the same journey? Where do you draw the line? They cant all come here, Africa is a gargantuan continent. And then these cowboys running the "charity" ships have the cheek to have a go at Europe for not being quicker in accepting thousands of undocumented unknown people!! Don't even have to pretend they are refugees anymore, "migrant" will do just fine.

All young men too, Christ almighty, i can't believe that as of yet nobody has put a stop to this, it can only end in tears surely

Vic_08

Libya is a stinking criminal hellhole and causes far more hardship for the majority of these migrants than their home countries.

By rewarding those passing through with acceptance in European countries it only enforces the belief that transiting through Libya is a viable option for migrants and encourages even more to attempt to reach Europe.

Europe has utterly failed to deal with this properly, there needs to be a quick process to repatriate the vast majority who are economic migrants, once word spreads that reaching Europe only buys you a one way ticket back to where you came from minus whatever money, body parts and sexual favours the Libyan scum take from you the flood will soon dry up.

Europe CANNOT house the entire populations of various impoverished, corrupt African states, the idea that we are callous monsters by not allowing those who illegally enter to stay is nonsense. It solves nothing in the wider picture, causes increasing issues here and only enriches the vast network of murdering, raping people smugglers in North Africa.

Fan of Netflix

https://twitter.com/simoncoveney/status/1164910757949136896

riffmongous

Already a current affairs thread on it

Fan of Netflix

I Live In Hell wrote: »

Why not settle them in North Africa? Half the native young male North African population is now in Europe. These countries need more young men.

North Africans hate sub Saharan Africans. They are a different race and culture.

razorblunt

We should send the Sudan lads to the North. The South is for the South Sudanese.

vriesmays

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Something as serious as this should have been put to the people

It's too late, they'll keep arriving every few months. Our small towns will be full of 3rd world chancers.

tonycascarino

I do not give a shíte if they were stranded in the ocean. They should have been left there or returned to Africa, one or the other. They are going to add absolutely nothing to Irish society or to Europe in general.

Bonniedog

they won't be anywhere near Simon Coveney's house or children, you may be certain.

Irish Guitarist

Did the crew that rescued them offer to let any of them stay in their houses?

Rufeo

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Can't get enough of them myself. Crackin' dancers.

They are and all!

topper75

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Something as serious as this should have been put to the people

No. Only really serious matters like the minimum age of the president should be put before the people.

This importation of unskilled dependent fighting-age males via an endless sequence of 'rescue' boats from a population-doubling continent with oil and diamonds is a trifling matter. Only racists get excited about it. If you don't let them in - it can only mean you must have an issue with their skintone.

TuringBot47

This is why the Brits voted for Brexit.

Being part of the EU means sharing the problems of the entire EU.
Spain, France and Italy are baring the brunt of the mass migration of Africans into Europe. Something that will absolutely only get worse with climate change.

So they're spreading the burden across the EU countries.
This is only the first wave.

If climate change really does hit, you'll see massive migration of people from the equator to more Northern and Southern regions, away from the hottest equatorial countries.

Look at the British TV adverts, practically every one of them is showing a happy mixed race couple. Whether that is lazy marketing, trying to target two different market segments at once, or some more subtle approach to bombard the population with happy images of perfect racial integration.

But... it's only going to get worse before it gets better.

dhaughton99

All engineers and doctors?

El_Duderino 09

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

Did the crew that rescued them offer to let any of them stay in their houses?

LOL. Im always amused by the standard of post in these threads. Imagine if that was how things worked. You rescue someone from potentially drowning a sea, so now they live with you. Same when fire brigade rescues someone, they go live with the fire brigade members.

LOL.

TuringBot47

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

LOL. Im always amused by the standard of post in these threads. Imagine if that was how things worked. You rescue someone from potentially drowning a sea, so now they live with you. Same when fire brigade rescues someone, they go live with the fire brigade members.

LOL.

Well maybe you need a little more education of the world outside of Ireland.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Samaritan_law

In China, only in 1 August 2013, was the "Good Samaritan Law" passed which protected people from being sued for trying to help someone.
Before that, you could be liable for injury or death when attempting to help someone.

Before that, people were run over on the road and passers-by were too afraid of stopping to help them... people were left on roads and run over a second time, fatalities etc...

topper75

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

You rescue someone from potentially drowning a sea, so now they live with you.

In the ignorant unsophisticated days of old, you brought them back to their own house.

But today...new game in town. Gee thanks MSF - where is your bucket so I can donate:rolleyes:

El_Duderino 09

TuringBot47 wrote: »

Well maybe you need a little more education of the world outside of Ireland.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Samaritan_law

In China, only in 1 August 2013, was the "Good Samaritan Law" passed which protected people from being sued for trying to help someone.
Before that, you could be liable for injury or death when attempting to help someone.

Before that, people were too afraid of stopping to help people... people were left on roads and people passed them by etc...

That's interesting. But us it in any way related to what I said in my post?

TuringBot47

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

That's interesting. But us it in any way related to what I said in my post?

Well, you laughed at the standard of the posts here, but don't understand that that situation was actually very real in China only 6 years ago.
So it shows you've only a very limited and local understanding of the world.

If you took a trip to China in 2010 and through some very indirect medical negligence technicality when saving someones life, ended up giving them some disability to work, you would be legally liable. The world DID work that way, well within your lifetime.

Bonniedog

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

LOL. Im always amused by the standard of post in these threads. Imagine if that was how things worked. You rescue someone from potentially drowning a sea, so now they live with you. Same when fire brigade rescues someone, they go live with the fire brigade members.

LOL.

They are not "rescuing" anyone from "potentially drowning at sea."

They are picking up - whether through naivety or part of a business deal - mostly young men who have paid someone to take them to Europe.

What sort of refugees fleeing leave all the women and children behind them?

El_Duderino 09

TuringBot47 wrote: »

Well, you laughed at the standard of the posts here, but don't understand that that situation was actually very real in China only 6 years ago.
So it shows you've only a very limited and local understanding of the world.

If you took a trip to China in 2010 and through some very indirect medical negligence technicality when saving someones life, ended up giving them some disability to work, you would be legally liable. The world DID work that way, well within your lifetime.

It's interesting alright. But how's it related to the notion that the rescuers should have the refugees live in their home?

TheValeyard

Is this the same group that refused to go to Spain?

ChikiChiki

murpho999 wrote: »

I think it's good news and shows that we're a compassionate nation.

Going on about he "Housing and homeless crisis" as a reason to stop doing everything else is ridiculous as those problems exist for various reasons such as social problems and will always be there and does not mean that our humanitarian programmes should stop.

Do you not ask why the people who cannot be housed do not have a house in the first place?
It's a lot more complicated than just money.

You are away with the fairies if you think this is a good approach.

Overheal

TuringBot47 wrote: »

Well maybe you need a little more education of the world outside of Ireland.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Samaritan_law

In China, only in 1 August 2013, was the "Good Samaritan Law" passed which protected people from being sued for trying to help someone.
Before that, you could be liable for injury or death when attempting to help someone.

Before that, people were run over on the road and passers-by were too afraid of stopping to help them... people were left on roads and run over a second time, fatalities etc...

Well, there's an elephant in that room: what do you do when climate change wipes out habitation in equatorial regions? Europe is already seeing this as a migrant influx from Africa and the middle east; the US is seeing this as a migrant influx from Central America. What happens when its not hundreds or thousands, but hundreds of thousands or millions? Watch them all die? Integrate them all? Take drastic steps to mitigate climate change?

Kivaro

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Give me 10 Sudan lads who want to work for a better life, than 1 Margaret Cash type.

That's grand, and I totally understand your sentiment, but only "40% of adult African nationals in Ireland are employed, far less than the average for Irish natives or for other immigrant groups".

Kivaro

Overheal wrote: »

Well, there's an elephant in that room .......

That's a racist statement isn't it ..........
Can't figure out what's racist anymore.

By the way, that huge bold crap under every one of your posts is ......... crap. I don't read it; it's just annoying.

TuringBot47

Overheal wrote: »

Well, there's an elephant in that room: what do you do when climate change wipes out habitation in equatorial regions? Europe is already seeing this as a migrant influx from Africa and the middle east; the US is seeing this as a migrant influx from Central America. What happens when its not hundreds or thousands, but hundreds of thousands or millions? Watch them all die? Integrate them all? Take drastic steps to mitigate climate change?

That's assuming that Ireland takes responsibility for the entire global climate consequences. We can't and shouldn't take in all the refugees as a consequence of all the other countries actions.

It's a suicidal action of any small country to have unconditional and unlimited liberalist governments who open the floodgates and taxpayers wallets, writing a blank cheque to help others.

Roger Hassenforder

Kivaro wrote: »

That's grand, and I totally understand your sentiment, but only "40% of adult African nationals in Ireland are employed, far less than the average for Irish natives or for other immigrant groups".

While I dont think we necessarily disagree with each other, thats a far better employment rate than our native ethnic minority, almost twice as good an employment rate!

gw80

murpho999 wrote: »

I think it's good news and shows that we're a compassionate nation.

Going on about he "Housing and homeless crisis" as a reason to stop doing everything else is ridiculous as those problems exist for various reasons such as social problems and will always be there and does not mean that our humanitarian programmes should stop.

Do you not ask why the people who cannot be housed do not have a house in the first place?
It's a lot more complicated than just money.

What is it with people like you? Do you not understand that they are going to keep coming, and there are millions of them, the countries that these people are coming from are oil and resource rich yet they cannot get there **** together to feed and make their countries somwhat livable in, their countries are ****holes not because of the mountains or the rivers or the animals that live there, its because of the people that live there,

Sonny noggs

Great, more doctors and engineers.

Kidchameleon

So we are taking a bunch of uneducated men from a war torn country who will never contribute anything to Ireland? Thanks Leo. If it were up to me they would have been left at sea to die.

El_Duderino 09

TuringBot47 wrote: »

That's assuming that Ireland takes responsibility for the entire global climate consequences. We can't and shouldn't take in allthe refugees as a consequence of all the other countries actions.

It's a suicidal action of any small country to have unconditional and unlimited liberalist governments who open the floodgates and taxpayers wallets, writing a blank cheque to help others.

Do you think we're taking in all the refugees from all the countries?

The urge to exaggerate things is genuinely fascinating.

Kidchameleon

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Do you think we're taking in all the refugees from all the countries?

The urge to exaggerate things is genuinely fascinating.

One is too much

Sir Oxman

Mokuba wrote: »

We are one of only 6 countries, despite a housing and homeless crisis, which has agreed to take in these migrants.

Worth nothing that all but 9 of the 356 are men.

Sets a dangerous precedent and I'm sure we will now start to see many more of these boats.

Obviously comes at a time when our housing and homeless levels are at a point beyond critical and yet we willingly accept more unskilled people into the country who will have to be supported by the taxpayer. I imagine the next step for them involves bringing the remainder of their families over.

Pretty outrageous to be honest. Though I imagine it won't take long for comments about racism to arrive. Not being able to house the people you already have in the country and taking in more people knowing that is absurd.

https://www.thejournal.ie/ireland-migrants-ocean-viking-4779483-Aug2019/

There shouldn't be a flood of 'yer a racist' posts if the thread doesn't turn racist.



I'm not sure if Ireland should be doing this - it's sure to be a small amount but IMO it perpetuates the flotillas of people trying to access Europe from bases in the hell that is former Libya (thanks UK/France/US) rather than solve the problem.

McDermotX

Fair play to Coveney and Varadkar all the same volunteering to take some of them in personally.

I'll look forward to getting an update from them about how they've integrated well into their area/homes. Will make sure to follow-up with them.

Bonniedog

Georgian Villas in Castleknock is taking 300.

And they'll all get places in the schools there.


Rest are going to Simon's Manor in Rochestown.

I'm sick of hearing this. And its so frustrating that us Irish don't have a say in any of this. Its ludicrous actually. We pay taxes to keep these economic migrants here and yet we've no say.
Is there nothing we can do?
Our country is bursting at the seams in every way. We can't afford them, some mightnt want them even if we could but the reality is we just can't cope with the drain they will be on our country as a whole.

Nermal

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Give me 10 Sudan lads who want to work for a better life, than 1 Margaret Cash type.

Margaret Cash, useless eater that she is, is our problem. The teeming multitudes of the third world are not.

Pretzill

What's happening in the Med and beyond is a crisis like no other of this generation. What else can be done? People are moving across the world in their droves for a second chance at life.

Hopefully what comes from their second chance will benefit us all.